#dev 2018-12-20

2018-12-20 UTC
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Best part is I stumbled into build a working blog. Just added an h-feed and suddenly my @glitch blog shows up in people's readers.. And it's all in the HTML... Collecting all the webmentions but haven't made a comment display (Need to learn first). (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/wMTjR) (twitter.com/_/status/1075564309516824577)
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@jgmac1106 Ohh and for discovery @schmarty brought webrings back and is hosting an MVP on @glitch. I tried the Ghost blog. It is one button push. Reached out to @realguerillo to find out how he added cool stuff like webmentions and h-feed to his Ghost blog. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1r51hn) (twitter.com/_/status/1075565137514426369)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If @basecamp or your personal website accepts webmentions we can give you a no facebook badge from the #IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/nofacebook-badge (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1RVIjd) (twitter.com/_/status/1075571259960901632)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you do do it we can even award you a verifiable No Facebook Badge from the #Indieweb.org wiki https://indieweb.org/nofacebook-badge (you need to accept webmentions or otherwise manually add it) Happy to help. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/gy5Az) (twitter.com/_/status/1075571852142104581)
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[jgmac1106] @gwg its the flexbox I am stuck on too tired to figure it out. Want to switch from columns to rows on mediua query: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/resume.html
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@fluffy New post: Plaidophile: More fun with Webmentions https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3743-More-fun-with-Webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1075687049150251009)
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[kevinmarks] Fluffy++
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Loqi Fluffy has 1 karma over the last year
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@jgmac1106 I think every time someone uses webmentions from http://webmentions.io @aaronpk goes and make sure kittens somewhere get a bit of extra catnip. Congrats on the script. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/fnQyd) (twitter.com/_/status/1075701989827321856)
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@petermolnar ↩️ there's a lot more, than that. See https://indieweb.org/Webmention , https://indieweb.org/WebSub , https://indieweb.org/Micropub and https://www.activitystream.com/ for a start. (twitter.com/_/status/1075706299374075904)
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[jgmac1106] not bad https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgmac1106homepage.glitch.me%2Fresume.html just wrapped each citation in an h-cite for now until we get the citation builder done
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GWG Morning
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Loqi morning!
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GWG swentel, I have that query set up.
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swentel GWG, location or name ?
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GWG Location. I need to push a Micropub update, but I got it working in testing.
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GWG I just pushed a major location update and stuck the Micropub query in
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swentel ok, if you add a response example, I can look at it
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GWG Will open an issue
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swentel well, you can add it to https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/133
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Loqi [dshanske] #133 Feature Request: Reverse Geolocation
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GWG Will do
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GWG I was going to add it to the Micropub issues and cross reference
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GWG swentel: Done
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You have always been a thought leader. Any chance of adding webmentions to Etsy? Bs cool to encourage artists to blog about work on their own domain while hosting products on users. Plus they can see who talks about their products. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/B8PZO) (twitter.com/_/status/1075749810140053504)
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@petermolnar ↩️ there's a lot more, than that. See https://indieweb.org/Webmention , https://indieweb.org/WebSub , https://indieweb.org/Micropub and https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ for a start. (twitter.com/_/status/1075780975357976581)
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I think in my tech class I can get away with no CMS and them learning to build and style a website throughout the class using HTML...and I could never build a CMS.
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] it's not that there's no CMS. It's that you're using Glitch *as a* CMS
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[jgmac1106] okay good point, but they could do the same thing in a text editor and upload to GitHub, just an online text editor..well and using their storage for photos..I have no idea how to handle that..don't want to learn
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[jgmac1106] personally I am just goign to use archive.org but I can never force anyone to openly license content
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kisik21 working on reply-contexts right now!
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[jgmac1106] @kisk21 how would a reply post with -u-reply-of be different, webmentions.io would handle that and generic mentions
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] there is no -u-reply-of. The correct class name is u-in-reply-to
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[jgmac1106] ah sorry so @kisik21 do you mean like a native comment
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kisik21 what is reply context
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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kisik21 [jgmac1106]: @jgmac1106, I'm not talking about comments here
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[jgmac1106] ahh yeah read on #indieweb, many people just store the p-suummary or a character count or just a link with h-cite
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kisik21 but should I retrieve maybe updated reply context data or should I permanently archive it?
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kisik21 (marked up as h-cite though)
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kisik21 my site is able to render full h-entry reply context
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[jgmac1106] "retrieve maybe updated reply context" is your site also going to be a social reader? if so you will be updating..really just whatever you want to do on your site, no correct answer
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[tantek] IMO archiving at time of (your) post is good enough, as long as you link to the original thing you're replying to, people can click through and discover any updates if necessary
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[eddie] Yeah, I agree. I think archiving at time makes sense because that is what you are actually replying to
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[cleverdevil] https://coolql.cool
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[cleverdevil] How fun is that?!
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[grantcodes] Wait hang on, is that dom to graphql [cleverdevil]
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[cleverdevil] Yup
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[cleverdevil] Such a cool idea and seems like a nice implementation.
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[grantcodes] Ha ok, what's the reason to not just use the dom though?
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[cleverdevil] Seems like the answer to that is "for fun." 😉
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[grantcodes] fair enough 😛
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[grantcodes] I did think about using graphql for my site but mf2 didn't seem like it would map well to graphql with my limited knowledge
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KartikPrabhu what is graphql
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "graphql" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "graphql is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[grantcodes] GraphQL is a query language for APIs and a runtime for fulfilling those queries with your existing data. GraphQL provides a complete and understandable description of the data in your API, gives clients the power to ask for exactly what they need and nothing more, makes it easier to evolve APIs over time, and enables powerful developer tools.
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Loqi ok
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[grantcodes] GraphQL << https://graphql.org/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://graphql.org/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /GraphQL https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54910&oldid=54909
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[grantcodes] GraphQL << https://graphql.org/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://graphql.org/" to the "See Also" section of /GraphQL https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54911&oldid=54910
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[grantcodes] Hope I did that right, I don't use loqi much
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[grantcodes] sorry loqi
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[tantek] Did you mean to add a duplicate? I don’t think Loqi does duplicate See Also detection
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[cleverdevil] Something like this specific to MF2 would be really neat.
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[cleverdevil] A web service for querying MF2 websites with GraphQL.
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[cleverdevil] (Note: I didn't say it would be useful, just that it would be cool!)
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[tantek] [cleverdevil] Perhaps add that to /GraphQL#Brainstorming?
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[cleverdevil] About to go into a meeting, but will do so after 🙂
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sknebel is that second sentence directly from their marketing copy, or jus
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sknebel t enthusiasm?
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swentel yeah, that sentence sounds horrible :)
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swentel [eddie], btw, did my presentation make sense ? anything missing, or maybe even wrong ? :)
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[eddie] Yeah, it all made sense, I thought it was great! Really enjoyed it 🙂
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[eddie] For the time constraints I don't think anything was missing or wrong
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swentel ok thanks, was a bit nervous for the first part
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swentel the technical part wasn't really a problem
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[tantek] yeah I dumped the 2nd sentence and dupe
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[tantek] what's GraphQL's relevance to the indieweb? grantcodes can you edit the dfn to make it clear how GraphQL is relevant to the indieweb (what projects use it) or if not, to silos, or if not, note no use so far?
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[grantcodes] Ooh yeah my slack disconnected and posted the link twice
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[tantek] Interesting considerations for name fields in forms: https://www.uxbooth.com/articles/creating-more-inclusive-and-culturally-sensitive-forms/
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[tantek] tl;dr replace 2 fields first&last with just "full name", if you also need a short name for prominently displaying e.g. on a conference badge, additionally ask for "preferred name"
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I should probably switch the microsub arrows around in the linear model. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1FBtKT) (twitter.com/_/status/1075887456799649794)
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