#dev 2018-12-19

2018-12-19 UTC
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gkbrk can anyone send me a webmention?
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aaronpk you can get https://webmention.rocks to send some to you
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gkbrk ah, great
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snarfed alternatively gkbrk you can always send yourself a webmention too
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[tantek] u-featured images should be just as visible as u-photo images
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[tantek] where did anyone get the idea that they should be hidden / invisible etc.?
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[tantek] they are absolutely *not* the invisible open graph nonsense
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[tantek] the point of u-featured is you have multiple images in a post, and rather than letting some consuming application (reader etc.) pick just the first one to show in a link preview, you put u-featured on the *already visible image* as the one you prefer to be shown in a /link-preview
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[tantek] u-featured is also a way to markup a "visual meaning" image or photo that is part of an article but *not* a photo post itself. in that case as well, the image *is* visible on the post itself, and marking it up with u-featured helps communicate that that is the image to use in any link-previews, rather than guessing at any random (or first) img tag (which may be the author's icon)
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[tantek] what is featured
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Loqi featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post https://indieweb.org/featured
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[tantek] yes that's the second use-case I listed above which is what motivated it. the first use-case (which of many photos) is a proposed usage
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KartikPrabhu invisible data--
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KartikPrabhu :(
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KartikPrabhu invisible-data--
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KartikPrabhu Loqi!
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Loqi invisible-data has -1 karma over the last year
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jacky lol
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Ruxton is there a way in micropub, when postng a h-entry, that we could easily represent the order of uploaded files in a gallery type scenario?? If it's all photos then, order of upload controls it, but if it's a mix of video/audio/photos there's seemingly no way to represnt that
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KartikPrabhu the micropub property is an array so it is ordered (?)
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jacky that depends on how the server persists it, no?
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jacky like if you have files a, b, c and the completion order is c, a, b; it'd be saved and passed as such IIRC
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jacky although multipart _is_ ordered
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jacky Ruxton: is the order _vital_?
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jacky like are you trying to predict what kind of file has been uploaded?
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Ruxton yeah, a good example is an insta collection that has a video/photo .. it'd have a photo for both, but only a video for one
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Ruxton really just trying to cover that scenario
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jacky yeah that's something I know I'll run into
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jacky when I use ownyourgram to syndicate photos back to koype (for testing); it preserved the order it had on Instagram
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jacky notes that's a single client but maybe OwnYourGram has some logic for this?
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Ruxton jacky: it's just the order of upload
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Ruxton it ignores videos in collections
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jacky ahh I didn't know that
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jacky you know
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jacky the only way I can think of it getting around that is by naming the files in a sequential order
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jacky unless you're saying it completely drops videos
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Ruxton or defining the order in a property
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Ruxton because it's a problem larger than micropub, h-entry has no way of representing that order outside of the individual media properties
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Ruxton and there's no way to say "this u-photo is the thumb for that u-video"
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aaronpk i have an open issue on that somewhere
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aaronpk i think when i was trying to convert instagram posts to microformats
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aaronpk hm now i can't find it
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[jgmac1106] @ruxton does HTML solve this problem with the poster inside the video tag?
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aaronpk yes, the problem is specific to microformats
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aaronpk because it was mostly just a coincidence that we started using the "photo" property to be a thumbnail of the "video" property
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Ruxton technically you CAN pass the poster in the video property too, so that's nt a huge dramas
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Ruxton issue is mainly not being able to order a collection of media together
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[jgmac1106] rel="prev" and rel="next"?
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[jgmac1106] Also back to similar collection issue... How do readers handle collections regardless of media type
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Ruxton they don't, they all just do order of appearance
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Ruxton it needs to be represented in the MF2 somehow, which in my opinion means not relying on passing the HTML content value
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[jgmac1106] Been warned of nested h-feeds but to me it seems a collection is a feed in a feed
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Ruxton that's an interesting idea
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Ruxton nods
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[jgmac1106] I don't know about parsing to know why oder of appeareance is enough a cue to order of media..if goal is human readable first...
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[jgmac1106] Inst*
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KartikPrabhu what is collection?
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[jgmac1106] Or you just make a new h-feed with a p-category don't nest them and then do a post on your main feed folks follow that says, "I posted new collection"
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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[jgmac1106] But poster in a video tag plus rel="prev" and rel="next" should be enough to make a playlist... Just don't know how to make that happen
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[jgmac1106] It's tracks in a mix tape. Has a name and an order.
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gkbrk aaronpk: I passed all the tests on webmention.rocks
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gkbrk can I try sending one to you to see if it appears?
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk: feel free to send one to https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/test-note-totally-te
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Test note. This is totally a test note to test notes! Get it!?
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[jgmac1106] An ordered list? That should be enough to indicate order in collection as well
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[tantek] the children property / array in parsed mf2 JSON is ordered, all nested objects in one array
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[tantek] property value ordering is for simple cases only
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gkbrk KartikPrabhu: it went wrong
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk: oh no! what happened?
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gkbrk look at the mentions
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gkbrk > Leo on kartikprabhu.com
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gkbrk I somehow sent it from your website
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KartikPrabhu hmmm let me check
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KartikPrabhu your h-entry has a u-url which is my site for some reason
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KartikPrabhu u-url is for the url of your post
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gkbrk oh
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gkbrk got it
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gkbrk and why is it a mention rather than a comment?
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KartikPrabhu because there is no u-in-reply-to
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KartikPrabhu u-in-reply-to with my posts url would make it a comment
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gkbrk I had it that way and microformats wiki confused me
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[jgmac1106] @gkbrk best way is to publish and then ask.
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk: here is an example of a reply from my site https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb and feel free to resend the webmention once you edit it
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] To me it means: have a domain name and post content on it. Everything else is a bonus. #indieweb #indiewebcitizen
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[jgmac1106] Also note that the How-to-mark-up section is only listed in the fully accepted formats (like reply) everything else is a journal of plurality on the way to best practice
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gkbrk ayy, everything worked
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[tantek] gkbrk can you say which microformats wiki page confused you? perhaps we can fix it
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gkbrk [tantek]: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. ...
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gkbrk on the description of u-in-reply-to, it has an example link
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gkbrk but the html of that page has class="u-url" rel="in-reply-to", the way I just made my comment work was class="u-in-reply-to"
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gkbrk maybe that appears later in the page but the first tag that comes up on that page isn't the right example
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KartikPrabhu hmmm yeah I don't look for the older "rel-in-reply-to"
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gkbrk I made a Python script that goes through a URL and tries to submit a webmention to all the external links. Does that already exist or should I put this up somewhere?
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[tantek] gkbrk++ thank you for pointing that out!
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Loqi gkbrk has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk: https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu does that too, but more implmentations are good
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Loqi [bear] ronkyuu: 論及 ronkyuu - mention, reference to, touching upon
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[tantek] a-ha! barnabywalters permalink example linked from h-entry has the wrong markup!
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[tantek] seriously gkbrk, that was quite the hidden bug. thank you
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KartikPrabhu gkbrk++
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Loqi gkbrk has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: feel free to use https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-citizen-of-indieweb as example if you want
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] To me it means: have a domain name and post content on it. Everything else is a bonus. #indieweb #indiewebcitizen
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gkbrk yay, love me some internet points
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Loqi woot
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gkbrk [tantek], KartikPrabhu: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QF82thZR2d/
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gkbrk I put it here for now, I'll probably put it on github or on my blog later
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KartikPrabhu cool
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[tantek] or rather it is both a non-trivial example (whereas the wiki should link to a simple example), and it is very subtly broken
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gkbrk [tantek]: if you don't mind me asking, are you Turkish by any chance?
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[tantek] gkbrk, happy to chat non indieweb things in IRC #indieweb-chat
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gkbrk wait wasn't that #indiechat?
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[tantek] !tell barnabywalters your reply-contexts have subtly broken reply-to markup. E.g. https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V2DjG/ which uses <div class="note-reply-context p-in-reply-to h-cite"><a class="u-url" rel="in-reply-to" href="… when it should be <div class="note-reply-context u-in-reply-to h-cite"><a class="u-url" href="…
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Barnaby Walters] @jack_way I know people who’ve had a good experience with Slim, I use silex.sensiolabs.org myself for almost everything now as it uses the Symfony components and is excellently designed.
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gkbrk Anyway, I gotta go to bed now if I want to have any hope of getting up to work tomorrow. Bye!
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[jgmac1106] When you get a chance @gkbrk you should add what you did to the contribution calendar on the wiki... Pretty cool
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gkbrk what's a contribution calendar? should I put the script there?
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[jgmac1106] Who is gkbrk?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Gkbrk.com
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[jgmac1106] Yeah you can if the documentation done as well, if not, get some sleep and save for another day
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[jgmac1106] What are challenges?
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Loqi Challenges refer to obstacles, problems, or barriers that individuals face with setting up, using, and/or maintaining indieweb sites and their projects https://indieweb.org/challenges
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[jgmac1106] Nevermind that's not it I forget the page
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jacky what is indieweb challenge
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Loqi The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related that benefits the community, people in addition to yourself, every day of December! https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Challenge
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jacky did you mean that jgmac1106 ^
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[jgmac1106] Yes, thx
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Zegnat !tell tantek I wonder where I got that wrong idea about featured from. And why some people seemed to agree with me. I'll go check the wikis to see what I based my opinion on later.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] I never thought featured should be invisible, but i think by the fact that it is rarely parsed it shouldn't be DEPENDED on to communicate content. But it most definitely should be visible on the page and supplement or help summarize the text content.
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Zegnat Yeah. I didn't want to imply the image should be hidden. Only that from how I interpreted it, and drew parallels in my mind with heading-background-images on e.g. Medium, the author shouldn't assume it to always be visible in other contexts.
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Zegnat No control on how it gets cut, or if a linkpreview will even include an image, etc.
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[tantek] Zegnat, antipatterns are seductive because they are *patterns*, and silo / bigco advocated anti-patterns are particularly so, due to cargo culting. That's two possible reasons why.
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Loqi [tantek]: Zegnat left you a message 24 minutes ago: I wonder where I got that wrong idea about featured from. And why some people seemed to agree with me. I'll go check the wikis to see what I based my opinion on later.
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[tantek] Instead cultivate a default skepticism of anything advocated by silos / bigcos
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Ruxton so continuing my words on insta multi-photos/videos.. seems like the smartest way to handle it in MF2 presentation is just using album or collection, which boils down to child h-entries, but that's not really supported by micropub yet and maybe that terminolog is incorrect
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Zegnat Hmm. I always thought Instagram was more like a single h-entry with multiple u-photo. Multiple nested h-entry make more sense to me if the photos are individually linkable or contain their own descriptions/tags. Neither of which Instagram does.
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Ruxton yeah but, to quote multi-photo kind "one ore more photos with one or more videos, use a collection post" - https://indieweb.org/multi-photo
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Ruxton so basically.. all photos? multi-photo.. got a photo and a video ? then collection (multiple h-entry)
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[tantek] Zegnat, not true. IG added per photo person-tagging in multiphotos a while ago
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Zegnat They did? Cool!
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[tantek] so yes they can individually contain their own tags. not descriptions yet though
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[tantek] *person-tags* in particular
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Zegnat Ruxton: I didn't think about the mixed video/photo. I habe seen very few of those posts in the IndieWeb community. If any...
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Zegnat I need to up my person tags game. I still want a Facebook like person tagging some day
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Ruxton I've made two the whole time, I'm more likely to make video and video together, which is just as much an issue
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[tantek] nah, as long as it's a pure multiphoto or multivideo, it should work fine. both are simple cases
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[tantek] it's when you mix them that there's an issue
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[tantek] either requires an explicit collection post, or creating a new u-media property that can be a photo, video, audio etc.
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Ruxton [tantek]: yea.. arguably the abilty to just child h-entries into the h-entry would resolve it though (as that's how collections are presented anyway)
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Ruxton it would also resolve posting other types of collections that are more explicit and less reliant on a property
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[tantek] yes
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Ruxton is there somewhere I should formalise this so it doesn't get lost in our brains/history??
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jacky perhaps micropub-brainstorming
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jacky er /micropub#brainstorming that is
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jacky also with https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/today you can link to that idea
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[tantek] what is a collection
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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[tantek] Ruxton, also on /collection#Brainstorming, perhaps a new subsection on "Micropub for collections" to capture at least questions and possibilities.
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[tantek] what is multiphoto
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Loqi A multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout https://indieweb.org/multiphoto
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[tantek] Ruxton, you could also add some of the IG / ownyourgram specific details here: https://indieweb.org/multi-photo#Instagram
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GWG Okay, my website can now pull current location from my phone again. Another bug fixed. I give myself permission to sleep now
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[kevinmarks] @gkbrk mention.tech has a "send webmention for every link in the content" tool
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@dlmax @perlkonig Hi Aaron, now toying around with your nice webmentions plugin for Grav. Do you have it running somewhere and what's the way to get the mentions in your theme ? Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1075323176559763456)
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[kevinmarks] This looks indieweb friendly https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1075181158327934976?s=19
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@simonw My article for this year's @24ways is out: "Fast Autocomplete Search for Your Website" Unsurprisingly it's built using @datasetteproj - I scrape https://24ways.org/ (with wget), build a SQLite FTS index, then build autocomplete on top in JavaScript https://24ways.org/2018/fast-autocomplete-search-for-your-website/" (twitter.com/_/status/1075181158327934976)
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sknebel hm, I guess the photo vs cover image for a video would also be solved by a media container object as discussed in berlin
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sknebel the overall order thing not though, at least not obviously
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[kevinmarks] poster is the property for that surely?
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sknebel except a "poster" property is defined nowhere
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sknebel and the micropub spec suggests using photo for that purpose
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cweiske poster is the preview image attribute for <video>
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[jgmac1106] yeah poster can be used in any media element <video> or <audio> I do it all the time with gif bumbpers rather than editing a video
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sknebel cweiske: sure, but sadly that's not reflected in mf2/micropub (even though it'd make sense)
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cweiske btw, chat search does not work because I moved to a new server and have not yet setup crawling again
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sknebel good to know
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sknebel cweiske++ for running chat search all those years!
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Loqi cweiske has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
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sknebel hm, not clear from reading AS2 if it can express combined photo/video posts
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[kevinmarks] Do you want to parse out the poster image?
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[jgmac1106] the discussion started with parsers not recognizing the order of a media playlist and grouping all the urls for images of each vieo with the links for all the videos
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[jgmac1106] what @ruxton wanted I believe was video1 w/ img1. video2 w/img2,...so it's two issues..not associating an img with its respective media file and not putting media files into the order of the playlist once parsed
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GWG Morning
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Loqi morning!
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[kevinmarks] so you do need an intermediate wrapper object for each video/image combination, then they'll be ordered children of the outer object. h-entry or h-cite could be used for that legitimately I think
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[jgmac1106] <video controls class="h-cite" poster="/images/w3html5.gif">like that?
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[jgmac1106] or like this <span class="h-cite><video controls cposter="/images/w3html5.gif"></span>
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[jgmac1106] or you saying wrap each video in a place in an h-entry?
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[jgmac1106] <div class="h-entry"> <video controls class="u-photo" poster="/images/w3html5.gif"><source src="movie.mp4" type="video/mp4"></video> </div>
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[jgmac1106] <div class="h-entry"> <video controls class="u-photo" poster="/images/w3html5.gif"><source src="movie.mp4" type="video/mp4" rel="next"></video> </div> for play list order?
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[jgmac1106] https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgmac1106homepage.glitch.me%2Fvideoplaylist.html
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Video Playlist
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[jgmac1106] https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/videoplaylist.html the u-photo worked with the children but the video tag got ignored
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[jgmac1106] is there even u-video and u-audio?
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[jgmac1106] yeah u-video makes it look nice: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgmac1106homepage.glitch.me%2Fvideoplaylist.html
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Video Playlist
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[jgmac1106] !tell Ruxton would this work: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgmac1106homepage.glitch.me%2Fvideoplaylist.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Video Playlist
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] I am going to walk away before i lose my entire moving my videos from youtube, putting them on archive,org and building a bunch of playlists....but this looks good enough for me
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gkbrk I'm making a microblog page for my website
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gkbrk for now it will fetch from mastodon and format everything for webmentions
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[kevinmarks] fluffy is solving the SPOA problem by building new implementations: http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/4122-Authl-Yet-another-project-I-dont-have-time-for
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[jgmac1106] Would love opinions on this as a collection: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/videoplaylist.html and parsed https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgmac1106homepage.glitch.me%2Fvideoplaylist.html
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GWG Looking for ways to lookup someone's location without running your own server.
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GWG I have a solution with a server already
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[jgmac1106] I still say the answer is the gps locator they have in their pocket
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[jgmac1106] or you mean reverse look up of someone elese's GPS coordinates?
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[jgmac1106] !calc gps coordinates of 16 heritage brook drive, east haddam, ct 06243
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Loqi I don't know about that
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[jgmac1106] worth a shot
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[jgmac1106] !calc longitude and latitude of 16 heritage brook drive, east haddam, Connecticut, USA 06243
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Loqi I don't know about that
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[jgmac1106] ...can't use Wolfram or I don't know the right query
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GWG jgmac1106, getting the gps coordinates from my phone to mu website
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GWG I want to, when I make a post, to poll my phone for the location to be more accurate
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[jgmac1106] why isn't indigineous working for you?
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GWG It is. This is for when I am writing on a computer
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GWG Or for automatic posts
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[jgmac1106] ....then you google it>cut and paste....probably easier then figuring out a server or registering an api
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[jgmac1106] auto posts...nvm
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[jgmac1106] can you pay for the mapquest plugin?
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[jgmac1106] https://wordpress.org/plugins/get-directions/\
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Loqi [Fullworks] Description Google Maps has been changing to a paid for model and now many website owners are looking for alternative plugins that do the same job. The pricing model for Google Maps requires an active billing account, which gets a credit per month o...
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[jgmac1106] Pro: Ability to store lat/long on posts and custom post types
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GWG I thought of setting up a button on my phone to update it
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[kevinmarks] rss << https://twobithistory.org/2018/12/18/rss.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twobithistory.org/2018/12/18/rss.html" to the "See Also" section of /RSS https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54846&oldid=54168
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GWG jgmac1106, why would I pay for that? I built it
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GWG I store location on posts better than that plugin because I care about that more than directions
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GWG I just find html5 geolocation on my laptop never gets my location quite right
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[kevinmarks] is foursquare paid only now?
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jgmac1106 time is my most expensive commodity, I thouhgt your question was how do I reliably get GPS location from a dekstop….for $30 a year..I guess is the only answer I know…
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jgmac1106 $100 a year lifetime
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jgmac1106 I mean one time
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GWG I think I will try plan B
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[kevinmarks] do you . need more calls than https://foursquare.com/developers/upgrade offers?
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sknebel [kevinmarks]: what does foursquare have to do with getting GPS coordinates for a desktop user?
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[kevinmarks] I missed the beginning of this
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sknebel GWG by "run own server", do you mean something like compass?
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[jgmac1106] "Looking for ways to lookup someone's location without running your own server." is the question
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[kevinmarks] hm. could you make a PWA with a notification hook that looks up location on the phone and then posts to a webhook?
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[kevinmarks] you would need a server somewhere though
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[jgmac1106] yeah..or autopost from your phone? If the goal is autoposting why is desktop needed?
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GWG sknebel, yes
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GWG kevinmarks, you just identified plan B
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GWG But Compass or Compass like is a long term plan
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sknebel it'd be interesting to see if the PWA thing could work, or if the browsers prevent it
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sknebel although at least for when you post some minimal prompt could be acceptable
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sknebel another option could be integration with a tracking app that regularly sends logs, if it is ok that the location is only updated after a while, or has a "send location to server now" button
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GWG I am going to write it out
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gkbrk https://gkbrk.com/microblog/ does the markup look okay?
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GWG Definitely blog post worthy... maybe tonight
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@perlkonig ↩️ I don't have a demo site. You would have to create whatever templates you wanted from scratch. Search [the docs](https://github.com/Perlkonig/grav-plugin-webmention) for "expose_data" for details. The data get dumped to Twig, and you do what you want with them. (twitter.com/_/status/1075407323718246400)
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[kevinmarks] OK, I'm trying out this tumblr wildcard thing.
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[kevinmarks] go to your tumblr, and change the custom domain to [yourname].tumblelog.xyz
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[kevinmarks] see if it works for you as well as me
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[kevinmarks] kevinmarks.tumblr.com
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petermolnar redirect works fine [kevinmarks]
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petermolnar are you willing to test the nsfw part as well?
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[kevinmarks] sure
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[kevinmarks] do you have a nsfw tumblr?
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petermolnar nope
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petermolnar that's the problem
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[kevinmarks] so yours redirected too?
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petermolnar I've long deleted my redirected tumblr to be honest, but I'll make one to test now
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petermolnar the nsfw part will be trickier
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petermolnar I'd need a a couple of publicly safe, but nsfw labelled things
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petermolnar is anyone aware of such?
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sknebel "publicly safe"?
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petermolnar something that can be shown as demonstration, that custom domain tumblrs are not filtered, but is classified as adult content
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[jgmac1106] search tumblr for #flagged
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[jgmac1106] choose images you are comfortable with reposting
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sknebel some CC-licensed nsfw photos from flickr?
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petermolnar sknebel: that's a good idea
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sknebel https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=nsfw&l=3 has at least some nipples
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petermolnar otherwise I might destroy a few minds with things "you are comfortable with reposting"
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[kevinmarks] did they fix the filter, or am I exempt?
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[kevinmarks] http://kevinmarks.tumblelog.xyz/image/181246822860
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Zegnat Has anyone tested what happens if you yourself mark your Tumblr as nsfw? That usually prompts people to login if you use the Tumblr subdomain. Wonder if they make it accessible on private domains.
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petermolnar that option doesn't exist any more
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petermolnar ok, it very much looks like the either "fixed" the filter, or the exception with the custom domains only apply to older content
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Zegnat It doesn't exist anymore? So when do they decide to make your Tumblr nsfw listed? I guess they just ban the content thus the flag is unnecessary
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petermolnar I've tested some photos from deviantart's all time best artistic nude category, they all got filtered
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petermolnar Zegnat: it's the other way around. If it was marked nsfw before 17th, it's completely unavailable now for public view
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Zegnat Gotcha
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Zegnat I'll play more when I get home. Time for train tunnels now.
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petermolnar this is one of the ugliest partial-shutdown I've ever seen
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[jgmac1106] Big Red!
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[kevinmarks] hm. I still get a privacy interstitial at kevinmarks.tumblr.com but not at kevinmarks.tumblelog.xyz
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[tantek] re: video poster image discussion - next time instead of guessing perhaps check the wiki first? https://indieweb.org/video has a poster image example
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] [sknebel] [kevinmarks] ^^^ especially before just making stuff up in chat
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[jgmac1106] Not bad I was only off by u-featured..was also thinking more in terms of playlists and collections
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: do you know if fluffy is on IRC?
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[jgmac1106] ade up would claim folks were claiming truth, while checking the wiki would have been a WAY more efficient strategy there is a difference between making things up and figuring things out
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[jgmac1106] made*
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GWG jgmac1106, re earlier, https://david.shanske.com/2018/12/19/thinking-about-location/
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GWG Had some time at lunch
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GWG Back to work for me
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[jgmac1106] gwg++
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Loqi gwg has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (159 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] yes blogging through the thoughts and the failures so much more useful than just commit notes...plus you never have to answer "What should I writ about" just jot down what your going to do, what you did, or what you will do next time!!
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] always check the wiki first. If you don't find what you're looking for, you'll at least find where you need to add information (or questions) when you find out
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[kevinmarks] [snarfed] I mostly chat to fluffy on mastodon: https://queer.party/@fluffy
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[kevinmarks] She accepts webmentions
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: thanks! accepts but doesn't display, evidently. ah well
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gkbrk yo!
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snarfed hi gkbrk
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gkbrk hey snarfed
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gkbrk what's up?
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snarfed not much
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