#dev 2018-12-18
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Loqi [manton]: [eddie] left you a message 20 hours, 40 minutes ago: There is a discussion in the IndieWeb channel about an error with a Micro.blog site and Aperture. https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-12-16#t1544997797573400 The error seems to say that the Micro.blog token is returning http rather than https, I'm wondering if that needs to be updated on M.b IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu jgmac1106: fyi, you don't need to follow my CV to get updated on my papers, https://kartikprabhu.com/papers has a h-feed ;)
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KartikPrabhu I did it once by hand and rest is copy-paste from there. though it needs some cleanup
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[jgmac1106] ...keep trying to get someone to help build us a citation builder...has to be done by hand...but want to be able to select citation style and get the HTMl putput with mf2 included
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[jgmac1106] @kartikprabhu and to me this shows a great examples of an h-feed as a collection...though I guess there isn't a post for each paper on ypur website so collection def doesn
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[jgmac1106] 'fit
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[jgmac1106] speaking of this: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/17/thanks-smokeyyeah-i-love-planets-every-community is there a way to build a planet using mf2 feeds or any microsub reader out there....hoping not to use inoreader for Planets next semester
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[jgmac1106] ..even if its just links doesn't need embedded micropub....though I'd kiss ya for that
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aaronpk https://stream.indieweb.org is a front-end on top of an Aperture channel
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[jgmac1106] perfect.
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[jgmac1106] ...yeah tried wrapping entire thing in an iframe to no avail
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[jgmac1106] that would be super neat [aaronpk]
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[jgmac1106] well since you are playing with tokens...you two fix this and the get going at adding IndieAuth so I don't have to check my email anymore...mmmkay
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mblaney [jgmac1106] you can create your own planet on https://unicyclic.com, it's how I created https://unicyclic.com/indieweb
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[jgmac1106] [manton] and [aaronpk] really the expectation should be for the user to not type either http:// or https:// and just type jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] @mblaney this is perfect, this all I need for class..we just turn indiepay.me into indiebadge.me and I am almost all set
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[jgmac1106] ....though just realize you can't have students work on a website for a year and then make them start over...will have a WordPress cohort
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[jgmac1106] but I can add them to this feed
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mblaney to create a planet you will need to create an account on unicyclic.com, see: https://unicyclic.com/register
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[jgmac1106] I am there....will play...this is a huge piece for my classes
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mblaney https://unicyclic.com/contact will send me an email :-)
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[jgmac1106] I mean just the planet...will stick in student blogs...not enough time between semesters to think that big..and enjoy the holidays
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[jgmac1106] !tell chrisburnell you might be interested in https://unicyclic.com with your effort to add microformats to your learning platform....
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jgmac1106 Got to here on the flexbox clasess, the wo p elements look like crap with flex set to row…wondering if I need to put a felxbox in each box and set it to column https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/resume.html
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jacky because I know myself to type in just `jacky.wtf` expecting `https://jacky.wtf`
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sknebel yes. e.g. my site redirects you to /posts/ since I don't have a dedicated front page (yet), but I still get logged in as just https://www.svenknebel.de
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[kevinmarks] The 301/302 distinction is important
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Zegnat So important the examples made it into the spec: https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redirect-examples
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Zegnat !tell jgmac1106 re: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-12-18/1545093450409200 I am still game. You just need to figure out what it is exactly you need to have done ;)
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat, perfect If I build the HTML form fields for each type and then map the mf2 to each citation would that be enough?
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: Zegnat left you a message 21 minutes ago: re: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-12-18/1545093450409200 I am still game. You just need to figure out what it is exactly you need to have done ;)
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KartikPrabhu oooh hey bibtex to mf2 I am interested now :)
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Zegnat !tell KartikPrabhu BibTeX to HTML with mf2 brainstorm: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-greg-cites
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sknebel oh, ZoteroBib might also be an interesting target: https://zbib.org/
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[kevinmarks] Yes, bookmark of a fragmention is a highlight/excerpt
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[jgmac1106] does the best job so far...might be worth persuing
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swentel this is an example - https://aaronparecki.com/2018/12/11/13/ - the repost itself is on dec 11, but the original one is 22 oct
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[jgmac1106] can you make it if a pinned post is read or clicked on it would dissapear and not reappear next time it is polled?
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[jgmac1106] If I add u-featured in an image above content should it show in Aperture/Indigenous?
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[jgmac1106] Indigenous on Android shows OG imgs
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[jgmac1106] But not u-featured I think
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[jgmac1106] I ignore all SEO tricks accept my featured img. I figured u-featured is IndieWeb version of Open Graph
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[jgmac1106] Plus I put time into curating or remixing my images... That's my problem with the entire CSS/HTML img debate
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[jgmac1106] I can't separate Design from meaning. I put time into remixing images or curating artists. But yes leave it on the client... Or better yet ask user
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[jgmac1106] Though as I learn CSS Grid I can drop many of my hacky background img tricks
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[adamprocter] [jgmac1106] 👍
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[adamprocter] and ps CSS grid is ace
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] as in basically all anyone cares about with OG is making there picture appear in feeds, facebook, twitter, linkedin…They really don’t care about any of the other metadat..it just goes along for the ride. I assumed in social readers this was purpose of u-featured…or atleast one use case.
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[jgmac1106] okay...interesting...coming from a WP world people would never do that as you just see the same img twice
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[jgmac1106] you put your most important img in the featured img post, the one pic that is the essence of your post..It isn't ornamental it a summary a visual version of p-summary
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[jgmac1106] and if you put a featured img and then the same image on WP themes it usually creates two of the same images stacked....so msot people default to featured
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] that sounds like a limitation of wordpress as a CMS. there is nothing to stop you having a photo in the content of a post and marking it up as u-featured.
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jgmac1106 thanks for conversation all…Still think u-featured should be the #IndieWeb answer to open graph and the first img with u-featured in or out of content should be included with the feed reader as the author is saying “feature this” and the client can say, “no” or empower user to say “yes or no”
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Zegnat Feature image (in mf2 parlance) is more like those big (sometimes blurred) images that are used as backgrounds for headers. Or a (clickbait-y) thumbnail to display along a title in a list of titles. If WordPress uses the same term but to mean something is the main image adding value to the rest of the content, that would mean we sadly have two meanings for the word :(
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jgmac1106 I put time and effort into making those blurry clickbaity things: https://medium.com/the-binder/the-story-edu-522-5f28b34d8cf9 and feturing an iimg is featuring an artist and helping the Commons grow IMO
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Zegnat The first one was just an interesting interaction from a adult service website apparently implementing Webmentions. (Didn’t the post even talk about web tech?!) Them removing the offsite link to adactio is sad. Otherwise it would have been a great example of how every blog (and business!) can send webmentions
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Zegnat gkbrk, was it this addon? https://github.com/eliemichel/firefox-webmention-addon
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@jgmac1106 Getting closer to #IndieWeb I want. Believe if we had webrings that also had an embeddable chat that was a micropub client and connected to a websub enabled Microsub server we could make instantaneous chat. Design a widget that includes chat and webring… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/18/getting-closer-to-indieweb-i-want-believe (twitter.com/_/status/1075141258845282304)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ With #IndieWeb work being done on private and semi-private posting using tokens generated through IndieAuth we can take back the web. Don't even store the data. Let chat be ephemeral...it has work for, let's see....all of human history. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2e2qru) (twitter.com/_/status/1075141803299491843)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You then include a community-based search engine that is opt-in through IndieAuth, user gets to decide what content gets crawled, only available to others in the ring, you then add the micropub and microsub chat client (member only). #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/25hVLs) (twitter.com/_/status/1075142817515798529)
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@jgmac1106 How would this work with credibility? , You are a group of conservative journalists fed up with the lamestream media. Develop minimum set of credentials. Journalists can apply to the ring, get vetted. They get your seal of approval (webmention badge)… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/18/how-would-this-work-with-credibility (twitter.com/_/status/1075143373558857728)
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Community is the Curriculum: Aligning Praxis, Pedagogy and Product on the IndieWeb https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4846/45670455672_82edff836f_z.jpg
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: I do not have adding rights to mf2py on pypi
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: Zegnat left you a message 6 hours, 44 minutes ago: BibTeX to HTML with mf2 brainstorm: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-greg-cites
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@jgmac1106 There are some privacy issues then around webmentions. Are posts set only to group gone forever? What about webmentions from ring members on public posts? (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1etjAG) (twitter.com/_/status/1075151367608692738)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Think I'd go with webmentions on post set to group gone forever. Have in u-reply-of links 400 to whatever means, "Warning banned member" webmentions in public, I'd say talk about me in the town Square and I can write it down and repeat it. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1GNrnM) (twitter.com/_/status/1075152018564616193)
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