#dev 2018-12-27

2018-12-27 UTC
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aaronpk facebook has an explicit cancelled state: https://www.facebook.com/events/352784491841109/
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aaronpk they show the time and location with strikethrough
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aaronpk I like that
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[tantek] ok that's an improvement over what we have documented now: https://indieweb.org/event#Response_context_CRUD
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[tantek] checks UI verbs on a FB event admin UI
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[tantek] Invite, Edit, ...
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[relapse] Google has a "status" that can be "Confirmed", "Tentative", "Cancelled". https://developers.google.com/calendar/v3/reference/events/update
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[tantek] ... > Notification Settings, Message Guests, Duplicate Event, Export Event, Export Guest List
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[tantek] ah there it is, inside Edit
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[tantek] lower left corner in the edit pop-up window
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[tantek] "Cancel Event"
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[relapse] Having the header on the top of the Facebook event is also very good. Unambiguous.
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[relapse] I also like how Google calls out the difference between cancelling a one-off event and cancelling one instance of a recurring event.
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[tantek] icalendar rfc5545 has a status property https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.8.1.11
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[tantek] values for an event: tentative | confirmed | cancelled
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[tantek] values for a todo: needs-action | completed | in-process | cancelled
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[tantek] values for an entry: draft | final | cancelled
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[tantek] didn't we have something like that for micropub for whether a post was a draft or published or something?
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jacky post-status
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jacky iirc
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[tantek] what is status
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/status
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[tantek] [relapse] looks like Google's UI event status is the same values as in iCalendar RFC 5545
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[tantek] now we have another example (in addition to aaronp's) http://tantek.com/2018/360/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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Loqi Cancelled: Homebrew Website Club SF!
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[tantek] I think a multi-reply to the event and any RSVPs would be work to notify people who have RSVPd
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[tantek] that would be the equivalent of commenting on a FB event that the event is cancelled (opportunity to note why), which would notify everyone who had commented or RSVPd
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aaronpk which I also did on FB for that event
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aaronpk (on FB that is)
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[relapse] So does this mean that the h-event will be extended to include a p-status ?
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[relapse] With values as per rfc5545 for event? And will p-status be also added to h-entry?
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[tantek] certainly worth some experimentation
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[tantek] ColinMorirs actually adding a property requires a more work: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#change_control
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[tantek] [relapse]
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. ...
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[relapse] Excellent, ty.
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[tantek] jacky, do you display comments on your RSVP posts or notes?
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[tantek] I tried sending webmentions from my cancellation note to your RSVP and recent note
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[tantek] [relapse] "status" feels like too generic (potentially overloaded) of a term
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[tantek] jacky noted that the existing experiment with micropub and distinguishing between draft and published states uses "post-status"
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[relapse] [tantek] True, but should it be aligning with an existing event standard (e.g. RFC5545 as you indicate), or come up with its own standard?
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[relapse] Does it become an "event" status by being a child of h-event, or is it a generic 'status' such as all h-* seem to have a u-uid property that means the same.
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Afrophysics Hey all
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Afrophysics pleasantly surprised to find a like-minded community here. Is this an active thing?
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GWG Active? We like to think so.
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[tantek] [relapse] rather than "align" per se (we did that in the past and it resulted in more complexity than necessary for actual use-cases), is to use existing formats as inspiration at least, and try to re-use at least aspects, possibly even names of things
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[tantek] more importantly than past formats is modern UIs
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[tantek] as an example take a look at how the "rsvp" property was researched and developed: http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp
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[tantek] and yes it would be a generic 'status'
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[tantek] mf2 uses a flat set of properties across all h-*
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[relapse] Aha, nifty.
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[relapse] I didn't see that the microformats also had a "show-your-working" section. Excellent.
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jacky !tell [tantek] I have to rebuild my site - it's all static!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] 👍
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@sl007 Dito. And Applause³ for everyone supporting indieweb stuff like Webmention or Micropub, IndieAuth or federation like ActivityPub – be it in code, words, design, awareness or freaky awesome longterm projects or whatever – Rock on ! (twitter.com/_/status/1078194382082326528)
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petermolnar morning, all
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Loqi petermolnar: pstuifzand left you a message 11 hours, 1 minute ago: if you have problems with `ek` you can ask me. Perhaps you can create an issue on the github with the problem.
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Loqi petermolnar: pstuifzand left you a message 10 hours, 48 minutes ago: I also created version 0.8.3 of ek (on Github) that has better error handling (and reporting), use `ek -verbose channels`.
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petermolnar ah, it was here, not in -chat
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sknebel What is mod_rewrite?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mod_rewrite" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mod_rewrite is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel mod_rewrite is a module for the [[Apache]] web server to rewrite/redirect URLs to different locations.
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Loqi ok
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sknebel mod_rewrite << [http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/rewrite/remapping.html Redirecting and Remapping with mod_rewrite] - examples from official docs
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Loqi ok, I added "[http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/rewrite/remapping.html Redirecting and Remapping with mod_rewrite] - examples from official docs" to a brand new "See Also" section of /mod_rewrite https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55060&oldid=55059
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sknebel mod_rewrite << [http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/rewrite/intro.html Introduction to regular expressions and mod_rewrite] - docs for used regex syntax and directive structure
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Loqi ok, I added "[http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/rewrite/intro.html Introduction to regular expressions and mod_rewrite] - docs for used regex syntax and directive structure" to the "See Also" section of /mod_rewrite https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55061&oldid=55060
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[jgmac1106] [sknebel] will begin a tutorial later today
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@_am1t Finally, managed to document the steps to enable webmentions support on one’s site. This should allow people to fetch mentions to their posts, including the replies from http://micro.blog, and display them along with posts. https://www.amitgawande.com/display-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1078305772616876032)
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[jgmac1106] Wow!! Awesome tutorial.
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pstuifzand petermolnar, hi are you there? I don't have to much time right now, but perhaps I can help?
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petermolnar hey; got the messages, thank you, it looks like it may not be ek, but eksterd, given I can't set up monocle with that eksterd instance either
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petermolnar on the other hand, I tried to reset ek settings, now I'm getting 2018/12/27 16:38:46 main.go:221: open /home/pemolnar/.config/microsub/client.json: no such file or directory and nothing else
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petermolnar one thing that's not completely clear to me: should the connect url be my site or the microsub server?
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pstuifzand the url should be your site
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petermolnar ok, that wasn't clear
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pstuifzand and the site should have the <link rel="microsub" href="...">
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petermolnar yes, that's clear
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petermolnar the EKSTER_BASEURL for eksterd should be the eksterd external URL, right?
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petermolnar that same as in the microsub meta
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pstuifzand EKSTER_BASEURL the external url yes
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petermolnar I'm not certain what I'm doing wrong then
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pstuifzand how do you start the server with docker-compose?
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petermolnar nope, I wrote a systemd file
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pstuifzand ok, do you have Redis running?
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petermolnar yes
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pstuifzand do you have a backend.json file?
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petermolnar https://public.petermolnar.net/backend.json https://public.petermolnar.net/eksterd@.service https://public.petermolnar.net/eksterd.petermolnar.net.conf
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petermolnar first is the backend.json, seconds is the systemd file, third is the env file for systemd
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pstuifzand did you compile the latest version with go ? or did you download the binaries?
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petermolnar good question, I need to check
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petermolnar I believe this is the binary after go get
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pstuifzand ok
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petermolnar I'll recompile it
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petermolnar now it's certainly the one from `go get`
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pstuifzand it seems to be running, when you go to the url, you get the login page
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petermolnar sure, but shouldn't the token endpoint be the one in backend.json?
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pstuifzand the token endpoint should be the same as the one you use on your website
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petermolnar that's the problem then
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petermolnar at least one of them
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pstuifzand ok, it will use that to check the token that it gets from the client
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pstuifzand it will cache the result for 10 minutes in redis
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petermolnar so the trouble is that my token endpoint on my website is https://tokens.indieauth.com/token (because I'm lazy to do my own); I've added "TokenEndpoint": "https://tokens.indieauth.com/token" to backend.json, but https://microsub.petermolnar.net/ has <link rel="token_endpoint" href="https://microsub.petermolnar.net/auth/token" /> and <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://microsub.petermolnar.net/auth" />
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pstuifzand the token endpoint should match the one on your website
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petermolnar I understand that. What should I configure to make it so?
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pstuifzand change "TokenEndpoint" to "https://microsub.petermolnar.net/auth/token"
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petermolnar because in the templates, I see <link rel="token_endpoint" href="{{ .Baseurl }}/auth/token" />
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pstuifzand that's something different
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pstuifzand that's for the endpoints built into server itself
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pstuifzand you should restart eksterd after changing the backend.json file
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petermolnar wait; you want me to change the token endpoint on my website or in eksterd?
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petermolnar ah, ok
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petermolnar eksterd
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pstuifzand yes
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Loqi I agree
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petermolnar no luck, monocle - https://monocle.p3k.io/channel/ - says "not found"
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pstuifzand and ek?
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petermolnar ek still says "open /home/pemolnar/.config/microsub/client.json: no such file or directory"
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petermolnar which is true
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petermolnar but it refuses to generate a new config
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pstuifzand is that when you use `ek connect https://petermolnar.net/` ?
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petermolnar main.go:204: invalid character 'm' looking for beginning of value
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petermolnar pstuifzand: thank you very much for the help, unfortunately I need to transition from my workplace to home now, I'll be online soon after
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petermolnar client.json file exists, but empty
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pstuifzand ok
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pstuifzand we'll talk later
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pstuifzand this is the other content-type (not application/json), which isn't parsed currently in ek
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pstuifzand the response starts with me=...
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pstuifzand I added an issue on Github for this problem.
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[tantek] !tell GWG are you using phpmf2 master? I'm asking because it has the ID parsing feature you wanted, and I'm wondering if you're able to use it for your use-case
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] I can't quite tell from following this thread: https://github.com/dshanske/parse-this/issues/20
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Loqi [jackjamieson2] #20 fetch_feeds notes
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@RealGophersShip pstuifzand/ekster (0.8.4): microsub server https://mdy.io/gh/pstuifzand/ekster (twitter.com/_/status/1078360722780966924)
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GWG I think I am on stable. I can switch to master
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Loqi GWG: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours ago: are you using phpmf2 master? I'm asking because it has the ID parsing feature you wanted, and I'm wondering if you're able to use it for your use-case
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petermolnar !tell pstuifzand got ek working against aperture, seems like the problem is with my eksterd
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk I'm testing opml import with pstuifzand's `ek` and aperture, if I do something nasty, please let me know
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha okay
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[tantek] GWG that would be great, and try using the new “id” in the parsed JSON
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