#dev 2019-01-07

2019-01-07 UTC
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GWG What does it do?
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GWG Hi, snarfed
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GWG What categories would one put in an h-card?
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aaronpk presumably things you'd want someone to be able to find you from
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aaronpk prior art would be people putting hashtags in their twitter/instagram bios
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GWG Interesting. Will have to look
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GWG I keep wanting to enhance my h-card and probably should update my resume
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GWG With Microformats
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@StormlightTech Webmentions should no longer fail. If you post a comment via a webmention from either Twitter or Facebook, and it doesn't show up after moderation and/or automatic approval, let us know. Thanks. (twitter.com/_/status/1082091819415031809)
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GWG I think I am still the only one posting altitude
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2019/01/06/2649/
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Loqi [David Shanske] Seemed appropriate.  
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[relapse] Training for an airline, makes sense altitude would be involved.
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GWG Really? I just like location
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aaronpk nice
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GWG And I bond with people like eddie over posting weather
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aaronpk ooh now that I will have better data on planes I should also display that
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aaronpk i'm running my beta build of Overland which taps into the gogo in-flight gps tracker when i'm on a plane :)
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GWG aaronpk, I need enhance it.
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aaronpk but I haven't been on any flights since I finished it
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aaronpk #irony
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GWG aaronpk, you want the JetBlue Flyfi parameters to add as well?
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GWG For future use?
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aaronpk sure, could you share the URL and a few samples of the data returned?
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GWG aaronpk, gladly. Where is good?
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GWG I will poll now, I set up a shortcut on my home page
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GWG I have free time, small plane
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aaronpk cool, post a gist? or somewhere in the wiki?
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GWG Will do
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GWG I have some time now
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GWG aaronpk, https://gist.github.com/dshanske/4d24893626a5ee2f9092cc55007bb271#file-06jan18-b61472
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aaronpk sweet, what's the URL?
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GWG https://gist.github.com/dshanske/2c1e09cdde3defc2753d957af3100d35#file-guide-to-flyfi-data
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GWG Standby for more
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aaronpk 👍
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aaronpk i'm putting them here if you want to just comment there instead https://github.com/aaronpk/Overland-iOS/issues/77
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Loqi [aaronpk] #77 Add JetBlue tracker as a data source
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GWG I had some fre
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GWG e time on my flights
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GWG To read through the code on the flight status page
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GWG There, two different Flights
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[davidmead] I’m thinking there may be a problem with Known and micropub. Indiebookclub says I have no endpoint, Teacup says I does but doesn’t post anything, OwnYourGram keeps erroring out
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aaronpk I don't think teacup will work since Known doesn't understand that post type
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aaronpk OwnYourGram should work fine though
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[davidmead] I did put an issue in for OYG [aaronpk]
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aaronpk oh yes I saw that
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[davidmead] What post type doesn’t Known work with? Could that be the same as Indiebookclub?
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aaronpk likely
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aaronpk just tracked down some OYG info for you
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aaronpk looks like something is wrong with Known understanding its own images
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[davidmead] wondering if it’s something from moving to 0.9.9-a
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[davidmead] 0.9.9 pulled in items from OYG, but nothing since updating
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aaronpk I haven't been keeping up with the changes close enough to tell
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[davidmead] That may be why photos from checkins through OYS aren’t coming through either
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aaronpk very probably
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[davidmead] I’ll add an issue in GitHub for Known. Maybe mapkyca knows something 🙂
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[davidmead] thx
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aaronpk cool, copy that error message I posted on the OYG issue
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[davidmead] will do. thx [aaronpk]
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GWG aaronpk, if you ever do add altitude display, I am curious what it would look like.
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aaronpk me too GWG
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GWG aaronpk, looking forward to it. Design is a hard thing for me
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GWG I am in the design weeds now
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[xavierroy] [aaronpk] Could you check https://github.com/aaronpk/Teacup/issues/9 🙂 I really want to use Teacup, but the timezone fix doesn;t seem to work
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aaronpk What do you see for the timezone in the post interface?
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[xavierroy] The timezone is correct in the post interface.. but when it is pushed to my website, it is delayed. trying out a test post right away
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[xavierroy] https://teacup.p3k.io/xavierroy.com/19040
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[xavierroy] https://xavierroy.com/2019/01/07/19-01-07-100122/
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[xavierroy] The post is published at Published on: Jan 7, 2019 @ 05:06
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[xavierroy] I am using a +5:30 time offset
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GWG xavierroy, is your site configured for that timezone?
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GWG I wrote a bunch of timezone code when Micropub was ignoring the offset
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aaronpk So wait it is making it to your site now tho? That's different from before right?
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aaronpk Also what do you mean by "it is delayed"?
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[xavierroy] the post is published to my site, but the post time is pushed back by the offset. So a post made at 10:36 am is published witht wrong timestamp as 05:06am
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] Yes, my site is configured to the +5:30 timezone.
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aaronpk Just to clarify, before it wasn't posting at all right?
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[xavierroy] yes.
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GWG xavierroy, named timezone or UTC+5:30?
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[xavierroy] UTC +5:30
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[xavierroy] The named timezone would be Asia/Kolkata
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GWG Okay. That should work
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GWG I know that the php datetime timezone conversion functions look for those.
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[Vincent] Can anyone verify for me if OwnYourSwarm is sending webmentions? It’s defo sending my checkin, but I can’t see any webmention activity on my server or on Webmention.io ?
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@Frostq_ ↩️ Echa un vistazo también a lo que propone la Indie web. Las webmentions yo también las habilitaría: https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1082249059283406849)
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GWG Good morning Indieweb Dev
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sknebel good morning!
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GWG What's up sknebel?
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sknebel not much. had hoped to do some autoauth stuff on the weekend, but didn't really get anywhere
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[Rose] If it makes you feel any better, my MicroPub endpoint caused Aperture to throw an error
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[schmarty] Haha, very good. Wait, aperture? Or monocle?
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sknebel still pondering what pieces for people to use AutoAuth I can easily build
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[Rose] [schmarty] Aperture on login
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[Rose] However my Aperture is also only requesting read access, and then it complains
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[schmarty] [Rose] aha that makes sense! I think it requests only read access if it doesn't see a micropub endpoint link on your homepage.
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[schmarty] Not sure why that would cause a crash, either way! Excellent bug finding, haha.
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[Rose] Everything else sees my micropub endpoint. (I temporarily reverted to the "old" one)
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[Rose] I need to debug it properly - a job for tomorrow.
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[schmarty] I wonder if Aperture caches homepage fetches.
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sknebel why would aperture even need micropub?
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sknebel am I forgetting about a feature?
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[Rose] sknebel: No idea, but in settings it says it doesn't have write access
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[Rose] I've had a MicroPub endpoint since before I set up Aperture though. I can't think of a time when I didn't have an endpoint and I did have aperture.
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[kevinmarks] So you can like and reply to posts?
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[Rose] You would do that with a reader though
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[eddie] [Rose] Did you change your authorization endpoint at the same time?
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[Rose] No, I left that alone for the time being.
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[Rose] That's a 2020 project at the rate I'm going 😛
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[eddie] Haha gotcha. Because yeah I thought Aperture didn’t request a token, I think it’s just verifying authentication flow
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[eddie] So I’ve broken it before when I’ve broken my authentication flow
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[eddie] Whereas everything else requires a token and has worked fine
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[eddie] But if you didn’t touch your authorization endpoint, that shouldn’t be the issue
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[eddie] Quite strange
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sknebel hm, in march there was code added to do that, not sure if for any specific purpose: https://github.com/aaronpk/Aperture/commit/d9f3aee0e0ece709c4b0e643e89fdead1242ac7e
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sknebel I wonder if there's some bug where it remembers an endpoint where it shouldn't or something.
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sknebel (I also wonder why I try to debug software I don't use by reading code. It works surprisingly well, but still :D)
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[eddie] Ohh Aperture grabs your Micropub config
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[eddie] 🤔
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[eddie] I wonder what for? I’m sure there it’s either something brilliant I’m not thinking of it something that is only half completed
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aaronpk i can't even remember what aperture does with the micropub endpoint now
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sknebel well, it at least should be robust to failures around it then :D
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[Rose] I'll track down the error it throws (hopefully tonight) and run my Micropub endpoint through Micropub rocks to make sure it's compliant.
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[Rose] (Assuming my 6-7 appointment really is 6-7!)
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aaronpk i'm guessing it's crashing trying to get the micropub config from the endpoint
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aaronpk that's the only thing it does with the micropub endpoint right now as far as i can tell
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aaronpk ohhhh
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aaronpk found it
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aaronpk it was for the mp-destination stuff
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aaronpk you can set a default destination in aperture, which is then included in the data that monocle grabs from aperture
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aaronpk that lets me do things like when i'm in the "indiewebcat" channel, replies will be sent back to the "indiewebcat" destination without me having to manually choose that
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[Rose] Aha!
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aaronpk so aperture is only trying to get the config in order to load the destinations
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[Rose] My destination stuff is probably making it unhappy.
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aaronpk if you can post whatever your endpoint is currently returning for the config query in an issue then i can fix it to handle errors better :)
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[smerrill] do Micropub tools (Quill, Aperture, Indigenous) send any identification of themselves in the micropub submission? that is, can a micropub server identify what client was used?
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aaronpk they don't need to do that themselves, because the token that was issued to them already identifies them
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aaronpk your token endpoint knows what client_id is requesting the token, so it can store that along with the token
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aaronpk that's how i have "posted using ____" on all my posts
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[smerrill] i see. thanks.
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[Vincent] [smerrill] there is a “client_id” in the data that will give you “https://quill.p3k.io/'” etc. It’s pretty easy to work it out from there
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[Rose] I'll open an issue for that for later 🙂
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[asuh] aaronpk: Is there another way to install Quill that doesn't use Composer? I'm curious to install it on my shared hosting account but they don't officially support me installing Composer. I don't mind using it on p3k but I'm curious what it takes to run locally as well
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk can you run composer on your laptop?
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aaronpk you could use that to download the dependencies, then upload the whole thing including the "vendor" folder to shared hosting
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[asuh] that’s a good idea, yes i can. i’ll try that, thanks
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aaronpk ooh private repos are free on github now https://blog.github.com/2019-01-07-new-year-new-github/
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[asuh] whoa, that’s huge
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aaronpk the limit is 3 collaborators
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aaronpk but that's still really cool
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] that's worth adding to /GitHub
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] it looks like your posts with markup are not being POSSEd correctly (all tags get stripped in POSSE copy!) e.g. compare https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/01/07/jensimmons-t-adacito-as-we-write-our and https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1082238674765520896
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] haha Slack link-preview gets it wrong too
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[tantek] GitHub << 2019-01-07 GitHub blog: [https://blog.github.com/2019-01-07-new-year-new-github/ New year, new GitHub: Announcing unlimited free private repos and unified Enterprise offering] <blockquote>GitHub Free now includes unlimited private repositories … with up to three collaborators per repository …. Many developers want to use private repos to apply for a job, work on a side project, or try something out in private before releasing it p
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-01-07 GitHub blog: [https://blog.github.com/2019-01-07-new-year-new-github/ New year, new GitHub: Announcing unlimited free private repos and unified Enterprise offering] <blockquote>GitHub Free now includes unlimited private repositories … with up to three collaborators per repository …. Many developers want to use private repos to apply for a job, work on a side project, or try something out in private before releasing it p" to the "See Also" section of /GitHub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55357&oldid=53323
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snarfed microsoft++ for github free unlimited private repos
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Loqi microsoft has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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jacky lol for now
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jacky only up to 3 contributors
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jacky it's a trap
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[tantek] heh
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[tantek] can't of the three contributors then start their own private repo copy and invite two more people?
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[tantek] and so-on? actual distributed git on github 😂
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jacky haha
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[tantek] Anyone know what this service is and what they support in terms of webmentions? https://twitter.com/StormlightTech/status/1082091819415031809
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snarfed it's just a wordpress blog
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[tantek] ok
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@savagegus Enabling webmentions on a http://Blot.im hosted blog: https://www.partiallypeaceful.com/2019/01/7/enabling-webmentions-on-a-blot-im-hosted-blog (twitter.com/_/status/1082365731361173504)
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jacky ooh speaking of blot
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sknebel aaronpk: does Watchtower just push new content into Aperture once a subscription has been created, or or is there polling/other fetching going on too?
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sknebel or, asked differently: is there a key difference between pushing content via Micropub vs it coming through watchtower from Aperture's perspective?
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aaronpk Yes, Watchtower sends the entire html/xml document to Aperture and Aperture interprets it and finds each entry. Aperture's Micropub input relies on the micropub client sending exactly the content that should show up in the channel
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sknebel ah, right. so watchtower does not interpret the content
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aaronpk Right, it just treats the document it fetches as a blob of text
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aaronpk (with some fuzzy matching to determine whether it thinks it's changed)
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[tantek] aaronpk, do you think it is worth reaching out to this product manager at Flickr to consider adding IndieAuth support while they're re-working their login system? Both as a provider and consumer? https://blog.flickr.net/en/2018/11/01/leaving-the-yahoo-login-behind/
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aaronpk it sounds like they are just going back to regular email login
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aaronpk not sure there is a lot of room for debate there
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[tantek] it's not about debate, it's about supporting an open standard
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[tantek] as in, not about telling to not do what they're planning, but rather to *also* do IndieAuth support while at it
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[tantek] especially as a provider
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aaronpk wonders if maybe being an IndieAuth provider could be a way for them to finally adopt OAuth 2 since right now they are on 1
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[tantek] that's a very good point
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[tantek] and frankly a great motivating use-case for them to do so besides just "upgrade to avoid future tech debt"
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[tantek] [snarfed] I updated https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_fallback per our discussion (and warned against the subsequent "tag and comment" multi-action)
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