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@nhoizey ↩️ @mereteresa @iamtzi Alors il y a un plugin qui prend les Webmentions en charge, à priori (je connais peu WP) : https://fr.wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1082794284422701056)
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@abenico Web上の言及/mentionで思い出した。こういうので標準化されるといいのかな？Recommendationだ > Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/ (twitter.com/_/status/1082797167205482496)
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk I did a brainstorming session today for a potential IndieAuth extension for having a Mobile App to approve Authentication (similar to what you do with the Okta app). https://indieweb.org/RemoteAuth If you don't mind taking a look and providing feedback, it could be awesome or it could be horrible. You decide 🙂
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell jacky I finished writing up the idea we were talking about the other day, it's still very much a rough draft idea: https://indieweb.org/RemoteAuth
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Hi Eddie
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[eddie] Hey GWG
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[eddie] How are things going?
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GWG Playing with Indigenous for Android and altitude.
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GWG I am also wondering how to enhance my weather station display
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[eddie] Nice, sounds fun!
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GWG It's in my sidebar. I have other data, but not sure on presentation
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[eddie] 3D weather effects!!
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[eddie] 😆
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GWG Actually, I was trying to decide if I should show humidity, pressure, rain/snow, etc
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[eddie] Ohhh gotcha. I definitely think things like rain/snow/other weather types is helpful.
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[eddie] I'm not sure about pressure but I can see humidity helping
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GWG I also have a feature to lookup by airport code I want to do more with
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GWG I have a thing for airport codes
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[eddie] Nice. I don't go to airports enough to do anything with them
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GWG Come to Austin?
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GWG But, traveling more of late has given me a chance to work on timezone issues, maps, weather etc
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[eddie] I wish! Unfortunately that doesn’t look in the cards this year. Probably won’t make it to any IWCs unless it’s Baltimore or NYC
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[eddie] That’s awesome though being able to do a lot with the travel related stuff
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GWG Eddie, someday I would like to do a Google esque trip report
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GWG I am moving there piece by piece
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[eddie] Yeah, I would love that too!
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GWG I think I might do it by fancy archive page
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[Rose] I might use my TripIt data as a base for a trip report.
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GWG Rose, looking forward to seeing what you build
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[Rose] I'm going to Seattle next week, hopefully before then I can automate the "start a trip" calls to Compass from my TripIt calendar so I don't forget.
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[Rose] (And end a trip. We shall see)
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[jgmac1106] Was I correct that there is no way to write a media query for <detail><summary > to expand by default? Could not use print media query... Had to build page... Violate DRY
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[Vincent] [jgmac1106] If I remember correctly that is controlled by the HTML only. If you write your HTML with <details open> instead of <details> then it should be open by default
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[Vincent] if the user clicks it, the browser will remove the open parameter so dont worry about programmatically doing anything to overwrite it.
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[jgmac1106] I want closed by default but open on media query. Will try details open thx
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sknebel display: contents should do it (but I have not tested if all browsers do it that way), you can also use JS otherwise/as a fallback
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[relapse] Since it's toggled by the presence of an attribute rather than style, I'm not sure if media queries can access it to activate it/ deactivate it. You can _detect_ it with `detail[open]` but I think that's it.
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[relapse] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21096022/can-i-set-the-open-attribute-on-the-html5-details-responsively
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[jgmac1106] Yeah saw an open issue in the CSS W3c working group repo... Will stick with a print page rather than query
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[tantek] That really should be a pseudo-class (since it’s about element state) rather than depending on a particular attribute
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[schmarty] looks like controlling the open state of a details element is still being debated at w3c: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2084
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Zegnat Huh. I just added signin through indielogin to a project in less than 100 lines of code. Wonder how much this is going to grow when I handle IndieAuth myself rather than outsourcing it to aaronpk
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@bradenslen Webmentions on B2evolution’s Todo List https://ramblinggit.com/2019/01/webmentions-on-b2evolutions-todo-list/ (twitter.com/_/status/1083014484921339904)
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swentel it's not that much to be honest
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Loqi swentel: snarfed left you a message 4 days, 16 hours ago: got it. thanks for trying! fortunately dansup is indieweb friendly and likely to merge PRs if you send him one or two to fix those issues
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Loqi swentel: snarfed left you a message 4 days, 16 hours ago: eg feel free to send him https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-attributedto which shows that attributedTo can be an array
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[smerrill] woah, b2. that’s a name i havent heard in a long time.
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[eddie] Zegnat: Yeah, logging in through IndieAuth really isn't that bad
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Zegnat I mostly wanted to see how easy I could get this to work with Zend’s default auth middleware. Answer was in less than 100 lines ;)
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[eddie] RelMe is a different beast, but straight IndieAuth is fairly standard, just a couple POST requests and some JSON parsing
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[eddie] That's awesome
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[eddie] Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 57 karma in this channel over the last year (162 in all channels)
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Zegnat Will see about doing it without indieauth.com later, and then see if there is a simple way to package this up for reuse
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kisik21 I need to speak to the developer of Checkmention; their indieauth tripped pyindieblog's redirect_uri spoof protection
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snarfed kisik21: https://checkmention.appspot.com/ has the link to github, try there
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kisik21 ok
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kisik21 snarfed: the thing is: last commit is dated 2014
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snarfed that's not necessarily a bad sign
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snarfed sometimes just means a project is complete and mature
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snarfed (others have discussed it here before, but i think freshness/recency is an overrated bad sign of project quality, if not just plain bad)
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kisik21 snarfed: oh no, the checkmention project is not the culprit... It seems to be indieauth.com itself! investigating this further right now
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kisik21 aaaand my server times out
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kisik21 i really need to speed up the software by adding more caches
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kisik21 for various things
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kisik21 like posts... it fetches stuff from the FS every time it needs to render a post
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snarfed reading one or two or a few small files from disk for each user request is reasonable. magnetic disk seeks are ~10ms; SSDs are orders of magnitude faster.
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snarfed if your site is slow, i'd look elsewhere for optimizations, unless you're reading a ton of files or they're huge
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kisik21 SD card in an RPi2
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kisik21 https://fireburn.ru/note/1547060606
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kisik21 is Loqi down?
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kisik21 or it can't just see my post?
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KartikPrabhu what is loqi?
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snarfed latency on that page seems fine for me. <2s client side, so probably a lot faster on your side
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KartikPrabhu oops spaces
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kisik21 who is kisik21
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Loqi A trans-person and a clueless amateur coder. Doesn't like her look and uses an anime-styled avatar instead https://indieweb.org/User:Fireburn.ru
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kisik21 oh hey it works
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kisik21 so it just can't read posts
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kisik21 or specifically my blog
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kisik21 snarfed: checkout my homepage
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snarfed still ~2s
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kisik21 oh nice
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snarfed (which again means your backend is rendering much faster, i expect well below 1s)
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kisik21 weird
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[smerrill] i/o and network are going to be slower on an rpi than any dedicated server class machine; but for a personal blog it ought not matter enough to be worth worrying about.
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snarfed right
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kisik21 because I bet that I've seen 9 seconds on my homepage in my log!
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kisik21 [smerrill]: and I support WebSub so consumers are expected not to flood my site with updates but subscribe to Switchboard (which is acting as my hub) so they receive fat pings every time I post stuff
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[smerrill] and depending on what else you have running, and how much memory is being used, the Linux kernel will keep pages in cache for you, to minimize disk i/o.
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kisik21 so I guess the only load should come from crawlers and visitors reading my blog directly rather than via readers
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kisik21 there is probably more bots on my site than humans
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kisik21 aaronpk: IndieAuth.com doesn't pass redirect_uri spoof protection in pyindieblog when using IndieAuth provider button; should an issue be filed despite indielogin.com being a viable and recommended replacement?
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kisik21 and maybe it's my bug?
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aaronpk indielogin.com is only a replacement for half of indieauth.com so it's not going anywhere any time soon. Feel free to file an issue!
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 17 hours, 59 minutes ago: I did a brainstorming session today for a potential IndieAuth extension for having a Mobile App to approve Authentication (similar to what you do with the Okta app). https://indieweb.org/RemoteAuth If you don't mind taking a look and providing feedback, it could be awesome or it could be horrible. You decide 🙂
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[tantek] Interesting comparison (inspired by the RSS died article) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=rss,json,xml
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[eddie] Hmmm, so I'm currently owning my code snippets on my site: https://eddiehinkle.com/code/ So now I'm thinking what does it look like if I fork existing code? For the most part it should look the same, I'm thinking you just need to link to the original source.
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[eddie] Would that be considered canonical? Or since it's a fork, is my fork canonical to itself and the original source would be referred to as something else?
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[smerrill] the fork is its own thing.
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aaronpk thankfully there's a bunch of prior art for this now
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aaronpk github does this with gists even
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cweiske [eddie], I display the root and other forks: http://p.cweiske.de/117
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[eddie] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking through duplicating is how gists fork
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[eddie] ohhh interesting cweiske, as you said, you display what it's the "fork-of" plus "forks" themselves
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[eddie] GitHub Gists calls it "forked-from"
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[eddie] pretty similar
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[eddie] What is a fork?
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Loqi fork is a special type of reply that is similar to an edit except with the expectation of diverging from the original rather than suggesting changes to it, and is also like a repost in that a fork displays most or all of the original likely with its changes made inline https://indieweb.org/fork
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cweiske also works when forking from github gists: http://p.cweiske.de/123
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aaronpk nice
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[eddie] Oh awesome, cweiske!
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cweiske but unfortunately, github does not support webmentions to link my fork on their page
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[eddie] Hmmm I don't agree with that a fork is a "special type of reply"
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aaronpk [eddie]: yeah i agree, i think it's only a "reply" in the plumbing sense
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aaronpk at least "response" would be a better term there
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[eddie] Well I feel like it's not really a response
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[eddie] a Pull Request is a response
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[eddie] a fork might never be sent back?
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[eddie] I guess response as in repost
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[eddie] makes sense
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aaronpk i agree that's not the primary motivation, but i do think it's useful to treat it as a response for plumbing reasons
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aaronpk like how cweiske shows forks of his, he'd expect someone who forked one to send the fork as a response to his canonical one
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[eddie] Yeah, definitely
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snarfed1 honestly the post/reply/interaction etc taxonomy doesn't really match repos, commits, PRs, etc that well
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[eddie] That makes sense
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[eddie] What is a fork?
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Loqi fork is a form of response that is similar to an edit except with the expectation of diverging from the original rather than suggesting changes to it, and is also like a repost in that a fork displays most or all of the original likely with its changes made inline https://indieweb.org/fork
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[eddie] There, I feel better about the def now
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snarfed i get that we've mapped between the two a bit, and we can kind of make it work if we squint, and start to tie ourselves in knots, but i'd hate to see us try too hard to align the two entirely
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aaronpk it seems fine for simple code snippets
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[eddie] Yeah I think for Repos it gets complex
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snarfed snippets sure. repos, forks, commits, hunks, PRs, no.
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aaronpk but i agree once you start getting into full code bases with PRs and etc then it's not so useful
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snarfed exactly
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aaronpk i added code snippets to my site and actually treating it as a regular post was useful because i got to bring along all the other stuff that my posts do, like handling responses
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sknebel (not even getting in the entire double-meaning of "fork" that's around nowadays, since Github choose to use that word for "a users copy")
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aaronpk true true
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snarfed sknebel: your local working copy is usually referred to as a clone, not a fork, right? i haven't really heard that double meaning of fork.
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snarfed (hence git clone)
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sknebel snarfed: but your "fork" on github is much more like your working copy
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snarfed ahhh that double meaning. got it. nm.
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sknebel fork in the traditional sense implies to me a split of direction, community, ..
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sknebel whereas me pressing "fork" to send you a PR is none of that
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snarfed right, understood
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[eddie] I made my first IndieWeb Fork, the source code was a gist! https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/01/09/13/code/
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[smerrill] that neat
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sknebel neat. I find the multiline selection thing a bit much though
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[eddie] Yeah, you don’t find times when you need to highlight a section of code that you’re sending to someone?
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[eddie] I’ve done it on GitHub code samples often when trying to direct someone to a section of a file
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sknebel being able to do it somehow is nice, but that randomly clicking highlights stuff feels odd
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sknebel e.g. I (browser-) hightlight text to copy it, click to remove the highlight, suddenly a line is marked as something
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[eddie] True, I could hide it behind a button
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[eddie] That’s a good point
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sknebel or maybe have to click the line numbers?
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jacky ^
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Loqi jacky: [eddie] left you a message 20 hours, 45 minutes ago: I finished writing up the idea we were talking about the other day, it's still very much a rough draft idea: https://indieweb.org/RemoteAuth
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jacky ahhh nice!
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[eddie] sknebel: yeah I started with line numbers and then decided the line was easier. Maybe I’ll start by going back to just the numbers for now
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[eddie] Great idea, thanks!
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jacky woah so much detail; thanks [eddie]
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[eddie] haha yeah, I went through essentially a full spec draft once I got started, jacky! 😆
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (3.3.4): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags *… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1083130427903262720)
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[tantek] Apparently YQL just shutdown days ago! https://developer.yahoo.com/yql/
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[tantek] site-deaths << 2019-01-03 YQL per https://developer.yahoo.com/yql/ <blockquote>As of Thursday, Jan. 3, 2019, the YQL service at query.yahooapis.com will be retired. This will impact users of datatables.org</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-01-03 YQL per https://developer.yahoo.com/yql/ <blockquote>As of Thursday, Jan. 3, 2019, the YQL service at query.yahooapis.com will be retired. This will impact users of datatables.org</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55450&oldid=55420
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snarfed yql++ oh man memories
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Loqi yql has 1 karma over the last year
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/2008-12-16_yos_yahoo_open_strategy
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/yql_yahoo_query_language_thoughts