#dev 2019-01-11

2019-01-11 UTC
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[tantek] I wonder if there's any point / advantage to converging the "extra info about things with URLs" feature
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[tantek] since mf2 JSON already has "rel-urls"
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[tantek] (which obviously could have been better named just "urls" in hindsight)
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[tantek] with hreflang, media, type, title, and text properties per URL
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[tantek] and "rels" too obv
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[tantek] as documented currently: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_a_hyperlink_element_for_rel_microformats
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aaronpk Could definitely be useful
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@chrisbiscardi webmentions sites are like, early internet design aesthetic (twitter.com/_/status/1083555367638822912)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @EddieHinkle http://Webmention.io and http://bridge.gy were what I was dealing with specifically (twitter.com/_/status/1083564199429648384)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @EddieHinkle Also was your tweet a webmention? Should my reply have shown up too? (twitter.com/_/status/1083590422947975168)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Yeah, I’m using Bridgy with webmentions. I’m receiving your replies, my display code has some bugs I need to fix, but your replies are received and show up in my Social Reader (https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/01/11/2/reply/) (twitter.com/_/status/1083592623997231104)
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@cswordpress How to pull interactions from social media platforms like Twitter back to your own static site, using Webmentions, http://webmention.io and Bridgy.: https://www.customerservant.com/how-to-pull-interactions-from-social-media-platforms-like-twitter-back-to-your-own-static-site-using-webmentions-webmention-io-and-bridgy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1083604665000960000)
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@vincentlistens ↩️ http://Just.Be.Careful if you are doing this in the EU. There may be GDPR implications. https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/ A user never gave you permission to take their content and copy it to your website. Better to just surface direct webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1083643137061519360)
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GWG Hello all
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Zegnat Has anyone ever used MariaDB for NoSQL stuff? Through their “dynamic columns” thing for semi-schemaless tables?
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@davidmead The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR) // Sebastian Greger: https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/ (twitter.com/_/status/1083697411577401344)
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@schnarfed ↩️ also, interestingly, anyone can send a webmention! if you get a native webmention, you can check that the source post links to you, but you don't actually know whether its author or someone else sent the webmention. (twitter.com/_/status/1083727197997682688)
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[kevinmarks] this sounds like an indieweb submission would fit: https://kmitd.github.io/recoding-black-mirror/
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aaronpk Zegnat: I finally updated to a new enough version that i have those features now! I haven't done much with it yet but I have used a few JSON queries
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[Rose] Aaron: How do you identify auto generated alt text from Instagram?
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[Rose] Because if the user had a way to identify that the alt text sent with the image is autogenerated then I think an option to include it or not on OYI is unnecessary - the user can just not use it, right?
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aaronpk [Rose]: I need more data, but it looks like the auto generated text always starts with a prefix like "image probably contains"
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[kevinmarks] how do you set alt text in the app?
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aaronpk https://instagram-press.com/blog/2018/11/28/creating-a-more-accessible-instagram/
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[kevinmarks] that's a lot more clicks than, say, mastodon
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[tantek] Hahahaha what is this “it me” link on Kevinmarks tweet?
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Loqi awesome
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[tantek] Did that image upload make it to IRC?
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aaronpk no, still broken
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[eddie] I think “it me” is the location?
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[eddie] Oh never mind “it me” is the app used to post
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[eddie] Here’s a screenshot from tweetbot that shows it is “via”
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/media/b404994e64606dfd697154194d93100f.jpeg
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[kevinmarks] It me is my glitch app that I'm trying to wrangle my micropub and twitter posse in, but the auth is a bit tangled
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[kevinmarks] I think I'm going to need my own indieauth to do what I want
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[kevinmarks] http://it-me-web.glitch.me
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[kevinmarks] I need to refactor
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[tantek] I totally thought it was a /reaction so I tapped it to see what would happen 😂
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[tantek] As in that tweet - it me 😂
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[tantek] Need a reacji for it me
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[schmarty] petermolnar picking up from main room. i have a rel=feed link header on my homepage to indicate where my stream of posts lives.
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petermolnar who is [schmarty]?
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Loqi Marty McGuire is a freelance web developer in Baltimore, MD, USA https://indieweb.org/User:Martymcgui.re
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aaronpk aperture will show you things linked with rel=feed when you type in someone's home page too
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petermolnar is multiple rel-feed, for each topic, a viable route?
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jacky <jason-goldblum-well-there-it-is.gif>
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jacky petermolnar: I do that passively by changing the RSS feeds on the category page to be that of the category
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petermolnar wait, that is ok, that is not my problem
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jacky ah okay
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petermolnar so, per category feed, that is ok
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petermolnar I can't even think of many other way of doing posts
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petermolnar but
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petermolnar for my front, landing page, I want to move on from The Feed
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petermolnar right now, in order to be somewhat compatible, I decided to show the latest post from each category
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petermolnar an that is structured as a feed
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petermolnar so it will keep on working, and due to my low frequency of posting, it's even fine for following
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petermolnar but it's far from ideal
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petermolnar actually, I'm not certain what ideal is
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petermolnar maybe if I can indicate multiple feeds, for each topic
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petermolnar there are only a handful people out there who'd be interested in all the content - IT articles, travel journals, random notes, AND photos - so subscribe to topic/category is OK
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petermolnar but how do I indicate their existence?
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[schmarty] petermolnar: i believe aperture will offer each rel=feed
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[schmarty] and older feed readers will show multiple rel=alternate feeds, along with their name
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petermolnar ack
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petermolnar that should do it, I'll give it a try
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: bridgy also follows rel-feed
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[grantcodes] !tell kevinmarks check out my https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub-endpoint library for a pretty full featured backend that mostly runs on glitch. It's not well documented yet though
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] petermolnar you may find more previous discussion on /homepage and ...
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[tantek] what is composite stream
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Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
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[tantek] it sounds like your "latest post from each category" is a new kind of minimal composite stream - definitely add it to Brainstorming on that page if it's just an idea so far, or if you've implemented it, add it to IndieWeb Examples with a link (and maybe even screenshot!)
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aaronpk my home page does that with only a few kinds of posts
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[tantek] structured into an h-feed of their own, or just presentationally?
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aaronpk just presentationally
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[tantek] worth capturing as an example? or is it more like a "portal" than a "stream" in its presentation?
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aaronpk definitely not presented as a stream
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KartikPrabhu what is stream?
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Loqi A stream refers to a collection of posts, typically time-ordered, similar to a feed, and often updated in real-time, with updates propagated via a notification-based protocol like WebSub, and published as HTML (h-feed/h-entry) https://indieweb.org/stream
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KartikPrabhu what is portal?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "portal" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "portal is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] KartikPrabhu see also My Netscape
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[tantek] here's a thorn-ridden rabbithole for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_web_syndication_technology#Early_web_syndication:_ICE_and_RSS (mentions enough of "My Netscape" to provide context)
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@chrisbiscardi @mattinthecouch starting a thing: https://github.com/ChristopherBiscardi/gatsby-plugin-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1083831066769543168)
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@scottmathson Wonderful article on incorporating webmentions on static sites! https://mxb.at/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1083832734374518789)
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[kevinmarks] Feedparser handles cdf, not sure about mcf
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: [grantcodes] left you a message 1 hour, 35 minutes ago: check out my https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub-endpoint library for a pretty full featured backend that mostly runs on glitch. It's not well documented yet though
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@mattinthecouch ↩️ @chrisbiscardi I should be able to query for webmentions via dev mode once it's all set up correct? (twitter.com/_/status/1083842219952558080)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ you have to configure an identity, deploy, sign up to webmentions, get your username, configure username, redeploy, and then you can access the APIs afaik (twitter.com/_/status/1083842855909486592)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @mattinthecouch I have webmentions coming in from http://brid.gy now https://t.co/Q9LLZFHuaD (twitter.com/_/status/1083844740376813568)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @mattinthecouch I have webmentions coming in from http://brid.gy now https://t.co/Q9LLZFHuaD (twitter.com/_/status/1083844740376813568)
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@mattinthecouch ↩️ @chrisbiscardi Didn't even think to refresh http://brid.gy after getting everything set up! Duh (twitter.com/_/status/1083845144716038144)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @mattinthecouch you also have to find a tweet with a webmention and "re-send" it to get it to show up on webmention's feed (twitter.com/_/status/1083845299095793664)
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@lobsters Static Indieweb pt2: Using Webmentions via @flyingfisch_ https://lobste.rs/s/hvk0ob #web https://mxb.at/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1083851096722817024)
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