#dev 2019-01-13

2019-01-13 UTC
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[tantek] [sknebel] which "the US gov sites on Let's encrypt still have fresh certificates"? Citation for that?
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aaronpk here's one https://https.cio.gov/
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aaronpk and https://login.gov/
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aaronpk and https://digital.gov/
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jacky wow https://digital.gov needs to put that CSS on the DMV website lol
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[tantek] ah cool. and I can click the lock in FF to see their certs are from LE
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[tantek] now the real test will be if/when any of these sites has to do a cert update unattended
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aaronpk compare to https://rockettest.nasa.gov/
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aaronpk expired jan 5
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[tantek] wow - https://digital.gov/ was updated to note the shutdown
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aaronpk what was the first day of the shutdown?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "first day of the shutdown" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "first day of the shutdown is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk finds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2018%E2%80%932019
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aaronpk Dec 22
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aaronpk the cert on https.cio.gov expires on march 27th
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[tantek] so so far none of those LE certs have had to be renewed yet - all their expirations were before/after the shutdown
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aaronpk letsencrypt certs are valid for 90 days
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aaronpk !calc 90 days before March 27, 2019
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Loqi Thursday, December 27, 2018
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aaronpk which means that cert was issued after the shutdown
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[tantek] oh yeah! I hadn't checked that one yet - just the other two
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sknebel https://www.pclob.gov/ - issued 9th of january
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sknebel https://federalist.18f.gov/ - jan 4th
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j12t_ Many people auto-renew their certs. We do in UBOS, for example, using a certbot.timer.
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[tantek] nice
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[tantek] I don't think 18F is dependent on normal govt appropriations - I think they have their own funding stream
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[tantek] n.m. they are supposedly an office inside GSA, so that should affect them too
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sknebel hm, none of the public CT log searchers seem willing to answer all certificates for an entire tld.
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[tantek] whoa - nice replies on your post aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/
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[tantek] good example of mix of replies from mastodon and twitter
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sknebel 77a31afc53d1e88e2fd7c239dce38dc76f58fdb76e6c9a4668597ae50596f281.jpg","https:\/\/pkcdn.xyz\/pbs.twimg.com\/2c4658c6aab7b8f6b14efd641b6a5917f80f8ccb54054ece3671a87b4d400012.jpg"]"
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sknebel aaronpk: you seem to ahve a bug with images in replies, i nthe html there is a broken image with <img src="[&quot;https:\/\/pkcdn.xyz\/pbs.twimg.com\/5fae169383d9f4464699c8f346ffafdc111b815f1eea098a37ed5dcda528dadd.jpg&quot;,&quot;https:\/\/pkcdn.xyz\/pbs.twimg.com\/57f54c1140abd9a6568f659b8516b9b9e3b425a09ae44da13d204e5bceee6688.jpg&quot;,&quot;https:\/\/pkcdn.xyz\/pbs.twimg.com\/
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk the response from Twitter @RonaldVermeij shows a broken image on https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/ - I think that's the person that replied with *four* images in their @-reply (when viewing the thread on Twitter). Does Bridgy even handle multi-photo replies?!?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hmm
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 1 minute ago: the response from Twitter @RonaldVermeij shows a broken image on https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/ - I think that's the person that replied with *four* images in their @-reply (when viewing the thread on Twitter). Does Bridgy even handle multi-photo replies?!?
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aaronpk I see the photo urls in the bridgy html
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aaronpk oh it's just my comment rendering
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[tantek] responses << Good example of a photo post with responses from Twitter (via Bridgy), and various [[Mastodon]] profiles on different servers: https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/
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Loqi ok, I added "Good example of a photo post with responses from Twitter (via Bridgy), and various [[Mastodon]] profiles on different servers: https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/" to the "See Also" section of /responses https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55534&oldid=54632
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@ChrisAldrich Improving user experience with links, notifications, and webmentions #IndieWeb https://boffosocko.com/2019/01/12/improving-user-experience-with-links-notifications-and-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1084261912764772352)
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aaronpk fixed! now I show multi-photo replies
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jacky that was _fast_ lol
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[tantek] aaronpk++ whoa - not sure I know anyone else doing that
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Loqi aaronpk has 81 karma in this channel over the last year (262 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is a photo reply
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Loqi photo reply is a reply with a photo, thus also a photo post that is in-reply-to another post https://indieweb.org/photo_reply
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[tantek] and now documented.
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ Yeah it's https://github.com/ChristopherBiscardi/gatsby-plugin-webmention It works with http://webmentions.io and http://brid.gy, helps you set up the sign in and such and also includes a source for the webmentions data that can be filtered by page to render them. All the functionality is there. (twitter.com/_/status/1084271232025907200)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ Yeah it's https://github.com/ChristopherBiscardi/gatsby-plugin-webmention It works with http://webmentions.io and http://brid.gy, helps you set up the sign in and such and also includes a source for the webmentions data that can be filtered by page to render them. All the functionality is there. (twitter.com/_/status/1084271232025907200)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ Writing up a blog post on how it works, but it's confirmed working (on someone else's machine even) with Twitter and GitHub login for http://webmention.io and also with http://brid.gy pulling tweet data in as webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1084271574046277634)
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ Writing up a blog post on how it works, but it's confirmed working (on someone else's machine even) with Twitter and GitHub login for http://webmention.io and also with http://brid.gy pulling tweet data in as webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1084271574046277634)
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mblaney interesting to see how different software handles reposts by clicking through from aaronpk's post.
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mblaney it looks like Mastodon doesn't provide it's own urls (the links return json) whereas pleroma does.
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mblaney what is pleroma?
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Loqi Pleroma is an open source, federated social network implementation compatible with Mastodon and Gnusocial https://indieweb.org/pleroma
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aaronpk Yeah, I should probably change that to link to their profile page instead of the JSON doc that describes the repost
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[kevinmarks] Well, pleroma returns json+js to render it. No actual served html
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Zegnat GWG, did you ever encounter it in your search for geocoding?
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Zegnat Hmm, on first look this looks really interesting: http://photon.komoot.de/ - self-hostable point of interest search engine based on OSM with an API, including reverse geocoding in its API.
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Zegnat I encountered it via the Android app Acastus Photon that was recommended in the latest “This Week In F-Droid”.
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GWG No, but looking
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GWG Acastus Photon does what?
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GWG 53gb of data though
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GWG Same problem I have with most of these services
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GWG Maybe on my home server
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Zegnat Yes, turns out, if you want world-wide map data, it is a lot of data :(
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Zegnat https://f-droid.org/en/packages/name.gdr.acastus_photon/ - it is basically an open-source point-of-interest search app
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sknebel Yeah, seems to use noatim for import too, so probably similar requirements
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sknebel Although for initial resting, one could probably get by with a smaller dataset
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sknebel And if really only venues are wanted, one could probably purge lots of unrelated data
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GWG This is the exact thing a community effort would help on
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GWG Running a 53gb server for one user is overkill
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GWG You are probably right about the not loading the whole world issue
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sknebel (or: the website they build that for also looks kind of interesting, eg as inspiration for trip posts. Random user profile as an example https://www.komoot.com/user/558702373403)
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sknebel (OT, not or)
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GWG But I think most people who download my software won't do this. Even if I would
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GWG Not even sure I would
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GWG I wonder what the lowest specced VPS I could get away with is
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GWG they have a public server and my usage is not abusive if I want to use it though
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aaronpk The $20/mo Linode would handle it
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Zegnat Yep, they make their server public. I think it is just impressive that they also made the entire infratructure public, so if you really wanted you could host it yourself. (Or pull resources together from a community and host one for use of a community.)
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aaronpk could probably do cheaper on AWS since you can pay for disk and CPU separately
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GWG Not worth it for one person.
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GWG Maybe a cooperative
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GWG aaronpk, how about a $5 linode and block storage?
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sknebel You'll probably need a few hundred GB disk
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aaronpk Possibly
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aaronpk this all sounds like more work than I'm willing to do for the payoff tho
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Zegnat As long as people are happy using Swarm/FourSquare for the venue data, the payoff is very small
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sknebel Once a group starts paying for a server, there's also the real option of "how many queries does that buy at am existing provider"
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GWG Is there an existing paid provider?
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sknebel Would have to check if there's either specific venue services, or services offering a flexible enough map Apo to query for venues
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GWG Most of the free ones have limits on use
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GWG I can't cache a static map, or some datq
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GWG data
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sknebel Hm, geocoder has some offerings, but can't find anyone right now that offers the full overpass API
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GWG This seems like something worth finding and putting on the wiki
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sknebel what is OSM?
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Loqi OpenStreetMap is "a free, editable map of the whole world that is being built by volunteers largely from scratch and released with an open-content license" https://indieweb.org/OSM
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sknebel !tell jeremycherfas from todays discussion, maybe some design inspiration for your walk posts (although maybe too complicated?)? https://www.komoot.com/user/558702373403 (randomly selected user)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Yes, thanks Skenbel. I looked at that just before I went out -- for a walk! Looks a bit complex.
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Loqi jeremycherfas: sknebel left you a message 5 minutes ago: from todays discussion, maybe some design inspiration for your walk posts (although maybe too complicated?)? https://www.komoot.com/user/558702373403 (randomly selected user)
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jeremycherfas Sknebel, obvs
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jeremycherfas I've been interested in how easy OSM is to edit. Unlike Tonz, though, I've had no interaction from the community there.
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[eddie] OSM is pretty easy to edit. In a previous job we worked with OSM a lot
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jeremycherfas I'm just doing it for fun and to learn a bit more, and enjoying it. I put Go Map!! On my phone, because usually I am out and about when I want to edit something.
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[eddie] That’s awesome!
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[eddie] It’s fun, I’ve edited the streets and houses around my previous locations I’ve lived
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jeremycherfas It is. First thing I did was add my local croner bar.
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jeremycherfas That and change the street to one-way!
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[kevinmarks] Would something like amazon dynamodb serverless work for a venue cache? If you have decent lat long to single key transform you could just pay for calls and storage, not for keeping a server running.
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[cleverdevil] Yes, but you’d likely be better off using Aurora Serverless or the newly announced DocumentDB.
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[cleverdevil] Dynamo isn’t the easiest thing to work with IMO.
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[cleverdevil] Aurora Serverless is MySQL compatible. Much easier to get started with.
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[cleverdevil] Alternatively you could drop venues into S3 as a data lake and use Athena to query it.
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@cswordpress Read: “Improving user experience with links, notifications, and Webmentions” by Chris Aldrich, and added a brief thought: https://www.customerservant.com/read-improving-user-experience-with-links-notifications-and-webmentions-by-chris-aldrich-and-added-a-brief-thought/ (twitter.com/_/status/1084586461092085768)
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jacky ooh DocumentDB
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jacky oh wait
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jacky this is yet another of the "hosting OSS with semi compatibility" things