#dev 2019-01-19

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snarfed eh yeah even for pure indieweb, i don't know that it has to be in any protocol. requesting should definitely start out of band. then maintaining the blacklist is CMS moderation.
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snarfed we could imagine some new mf2 property to indicate it if you really want...but...meh.
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aaronpk sending a webmention that notifies the author that isn't displayed sounds an awful lot like a private message
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snarfed yuuuup
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aaronpk also mirrors how responses to instagram stories work
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aaronpk so there's some silo precedence there too
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[tantek] aaronpk, that's a reasonable point. perhaps starting out as a section in /private_post is the way to go
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[tantek] what is a private post
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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[tantek] what is a private response?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private response" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "private response is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is a private comment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private comment" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "private comment is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hm
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snarfed the one difference is that this is a private message in reply to a specific page
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snarfed not sure if that matters enough to add to or change any existing protocols or mf2
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4yaBNJuu.jpg
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aaronpk it's like adding reply context to a private message
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[tantek] isn't that just a private response?
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aaronpk dunno, we're charting new territory here
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aaronpk what is a private response?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private response" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "private response is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk see? :)
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snarfed also this is technically different than the real world use case anyway
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snarfed these people didn't want to send a private response, they wanted backfeed wms to not show up
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[tantek] not sure why this is confusing - this is exactly what Twitter allows today
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[tantek] snarfed, you're talking about something different
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tw2113 evening
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[tantek] I'm talking about the actual silo feature as illustrated by Twitter "asked not to be shown in this view"
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snarfed ah yeah that's a third thing then
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snarfed 1) backfeed opt out, 2) private account w/all posts/interactions hidden, 2) one-off private response
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[tantek] maybe? as in in the Twitter case, even the original post author has no idea who is sending the response, just that there was one
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snarfed heh ok so maybe 4) anonymous response
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snarfed backs away slowly
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[tantek] interesting
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[tantek] that might require a trusted third party in the indieweb case
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[tantek] which does look a lot like bridgy
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snarfed https://commentpara.de/
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[tantek] sort of. I don't think you can update/delete commentpara comments right?
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[tantek] whereas in the Twitter case, you can unlike / unretweet an anonymous like/retweet (and have it work)
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snarfed eh sure but now we're in the weeds. feature request
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snarfed anyway, yes, commentparade is not #2, but it basically is #4
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[tantek] what is anonymous post
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "anonymous post" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "anonymous post is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is anonymous
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "anonymous" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "anonymous is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] I’m thinking about parsing my current subscriptions from that OPML file too for podcast follows or something similar that shows podcasts in currently subscribed to
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[cleverdevil] That’s a good idea. Should be pretty easy, too.
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[cleverdevil] (Would be pretty straightforward to make some client side JS that could parse it and object HTML. That may be a good way to do it.)
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[cleverdevil] Inject
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[tantek] ooh checkout the (edit) link that shows up when you hover over the post name here: https://remysharp.com/2015/09/14/jsbin-toxic-part-1
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[tantek] it takes you to the markdown file on github for the post where you can presumably make a pull request - quite clever
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[tantek] edit << Interesting independent web example: https://remysharp.com/2015/09/14/jsbin-toxic-part-1 - hover over the post name and an (edit) link that shows up that takes you to the markdown file on github for the post where you can presumably make a pull request.
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Loqi ok, I added "Interesting independent web example: https://remysharp.com/2015/09/14/jsbin-toxic-part-1 - hover over the post name and an (edit) link that shows up that takes you to the markdown file on github for the post where you can presumably make a pull request." to the "See Also" section of /edit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55696&oldid=49549
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] for client-side wouldn’t that require your Overcast credentials being public!
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[eddie] Oops meant ? Not !
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[cleverdevil] Not necessarily, [eddie]. You could have a cron job on your server to fetch the OPML file periodically.
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[cleverdevil] Then make the OPML file web accessible.
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jacky is loving the scrollback
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[eddie] Ohhhh, gotcha!
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[eddie] I see what you mean now!
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[asuh] Is anyone here advanced with Git fetch and merge?
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[metbril] [aaronpk] I'm extending my Grav micropub server to support destinations. My query provides an array. When not providing it, I can post with Monocle, but when I include it, the Post button disappears. This is what the /debug screen shows:
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[metbril] ```
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[metbril] {
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[metbril] "destination": [
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[metbril] {
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[metbril] "uid": "blog",
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[metbril] "name": "Blog"
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[metbril] },
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[metbril] {
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[metbril] "uid": "microblog",
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[metbril] "name": "Microblog"
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[metbril] }
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[metbril] ]
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[metbril] }
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[metbril] [Rose] have you been able to succesfully use destinations with Monocle?
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[kevinmarks] I've linked to the github url of my posts before (and you have sent me a pr fixing typos, Tantek)
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sknebel What is Fortress?
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Loqi Fortress is an IndieAuth provider and consumer service that allows one to have drop-in support to use their site as an identity on the Web https://indieweb.org/Fortress
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sknebel !tell jacky what does fortress consider to be "verified links"?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky it's just rel-me
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Loqi jacky: sknebel left you a message 14 minutes ago: what does fortress consider to be "verified links"?
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jacky verified links were a non-developer-y way of saying it that I took from Mastodon
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sknebel hm, it doesn't find mine, probably because of the redirect
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jacky perhaps, I filter out everything but a top-level h-card on the page
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jacky https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.svenknebel.de&pretty=true
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jacky that's showing only a h-feed
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jacky will make a note of that
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sknebel huh? rel=me's aren't "in" a card or anything
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jacky no so it's two-fold
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jacky no h-card shows up for your domain
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jacky the relme is something else
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sknebel yeah, I might move the h-card (not sure why that ended up in the feed), although I think you'll encounter cards in feeds on other sites too
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jacky yup yup
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jacky so cards in h-feed aren't too much of a problem
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jacky I was just searching for something like https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjacky.wtf&pretty=true
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jacky hm just noticed that I don't mark up h-feed on my blog
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jacky whomp whomp
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sknebel whait, no, my h-card *isn't* in the feed
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jacky lol lemme update the docs
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sknebel it probably doesn't like the redirect thing still
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jacky that's a whole another thing I have to fix
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jacky like that's a bug / problem in the mf2 library I'm using for Elixir
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jacky I fixed it in Koype but I think I might have to move the patches upstream to the library so all of my projects can get it
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Zegnat Hmm. For some reason my given and family name are merged together by Fortress
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Zegnat Also fun, internal server error: https://fortress.black.af/demo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblack.af%2F ;)
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Zegnat jacky++ for building another RelMeAuth provider
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Loqi jacky has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (28 in all channels)
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sknebel also, "Advertise IndieAuth support (how?)," and clicking the "how" only links to the section for adding rel=me links?
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jacky ah yeah
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jacky loads of boilerplate stuff
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jacky there's a "TODO" on my side to fill that out
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sknebel ok
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jacky I'm wrestling with being explicit on setup and trying to keep it hyper-friendly
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jacky like my personas for this is someone using a site builder but not super comfortable with HTML
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Zegnat For those people “Advertise IndieAuth support” will probably mean “have IndieAuth support in your website system (e.g. WordPress plugin)”
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sknebel Oh, I thought that meant that fortress could translate, like indieauth.com does
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Zegnat thought Fortress is like indielogin.com
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Zegnat Hahaha
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Loqi ahahahaha
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sknebel lol, then mentioning IndieAuth isn't so important
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jacky Fortress is meant to be like indielogin
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jacky but for now; I'm just scanning the bits of rel-me that I know I can use for rel-me auth
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jacky (it's _very_ early lol)
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[schmarty] jacky++ so exciting!!
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Loqi jacky has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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jacky https://fortress.black.af/demo?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com shows more icons (despite no support) just to show brand recognition
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jacky some things like SMS and email even show up :)
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jacky thank you [schmarty]!
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sknebel if it's doing RelMeAuth, I'd tone down the mentions of IndieAuth
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Zegnat Hmm, mine doesn’t show SMS and email
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Zegnat Is that because I need rel="me" on them?
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jacky who is Zegnat
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden (CEST or Europe/Stockholm timezone). Pronouns: he or they https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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jacky (grabbing URI)
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jacky sknebel: good point!
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Zegnat https://fortress.black.af/demo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F
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Zegnat Also interesting: shows my name as “Martijnvan der Ven”, not sure what happened to the space between given and family name
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Zegnat But I guess that may be a bug in the mf2 parser you use?
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Zegnat jacky, for some background reading, I actually used to have way more rel-me but took them away as part of this discussion last year: https://indieweb.org/rel-me-auth#Consolidated_identities_do_not_carry_inherent_trust
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Zegnat I should maybe add them back with rel-authn support
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Loqi it is probable
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jacky 100% parsing error there
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jacky re: loss of space
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jacky ooh good note re: that wiki link
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jacky I see
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jacky it's not preserving the space between <span class="p-given-name">Martijn</span> <span class="p-family-name">van der Ven</span>
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jacky hmm
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Zegnat HTML parser issue maybe even, if you are using some native DOM Element textContent property
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jacky nah it's straight XPath style
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sknebel btw: putting up a web interface like php.microformats.io (which we have for 5 languages right now) for a new parser is a good tool to get feedback - we're always happy to help look at stuff, less happy to setup things locally just to test something
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jacky word - I'd have to spin up something like that by hand
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jacky which isn't a problem
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jacky http://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir is the library I'm using
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jacky if I gave a project that uses http://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir with a similar interface; could it be setup to resolve at https://elixir.microformats.io?
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Zegnat I’d imagine so, a lot of microformats.io is on GitHub (including those interfaces, I think?). Just not sure who sets up the subdomains
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jacky ah okay!
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jacky I'll def whip something up
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jacky I should go to bed tho lol
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sknebel I think shane is responsible for the subdomains - you can ask in the issues here for something to be added: https://github.com/microformats/microformats.io/issues
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sknebel good night :D
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Loqi buenas noches
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Zegnat Have a good one jacky :D
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[schmarty] jacky: that sounds totally reasonable. i know veganstraitedge set up that site in the first place, but we may have other admins around here.
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[schmarty] oh wow i missed some scrollback apparently.
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@aaronpk ↩️ That's basically the idea with https://indieauth.net to let you bring you own identity and authentication mechanism when logging in to sites. There's a fair number of providers and support for it but nothing at the scale of Facebook yet. (twitter.com/_/status/1086672690847526912)
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[metbril] [Rose] [jeremycherfas] The development branch of the **Micropub** plugin now supports **destionation**.
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[metbril] FWIW. The Grav GitSync plugin should only have synced my pages folder, but nevertheless synced my complete user folder. I revoked all access tokens and webhooks and made the repo private.
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Zegnat That’s … less good
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[Rose] You should be able to control which folders it syncs. Mine syncs most of my user folder.
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Loqi yea
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[metbril] I configured it to ONLY sync pages, but it synced all anyway.
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[metbril] I will try to set it up again, now to an empty private repo and monitor closely.
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[metbril] The good (or not) thing of this was, that it showed all kinds of security warnings, mostly in the quark template. The notification is gone now, but is was a little disturbing.
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[metbril] Bye Loqi. AFK
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jeremycherfas !tell [metbril] Thanks. I will try and find some time to look into it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Yes! https://eddiehinkle.com/media/d8f7e3bf98c8aa7c18eb4a00a636ef9e.jpeg
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[eddie] I have all the episodes from Overcast since I stopped manually logging them imported. Now I just have to set up the script to run just after midnight every day
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[eddie] Super nice not to have to think about manually logging the episodes I listen to
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tw2113 automation ftw
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[eddie] Yep! Totally!
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[eddie] That’s my goal this year, to switch a lot of my manual life logging stuff to be automatic so I can be more present in what’s going on around me
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gRegorLove whoa, does overcast have a "listened" feed?
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gRegorLove Sorry if already discussed; I've been out of the loop for some weeks
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gRegorLove Making some progress on my article archives page today. Thoughts on showing the date on hover like this? https://gregorlove.com/archives.html
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KartikPrabhu make sure it also works on "focus" wit keyboard mavigation
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gRegorLove Ooh, good catch. Updated.