#dev 2019-02-05
2019-02-05 UTC
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[tantek] oh found it - but it has no rsvp property according to pin13! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/4ebadbc0-d6e0-4784-bc2d-6e1e43f9c845
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# [tantek] your <div data-rsvp="yes" class="dib mw4 tracked ttu br--right ph3 truncate f6 v-mid tc p-rsvp">yes</div> is inside of <header class="flex flex-row flex-wrap items-center pa2 h-cite u-in-reply-to"> which is not true, because your RSVP is not part of the thing you're citing, and also results in the rsvp not being found - which is expected as a property of the h-entry at the top
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[cleverdevil] Progress!
# [cleverdevil] Also, you can now search by name and username and nickname
# [cleverdevil] And you can do "http post https://pseudonym.cleverdevil.io/format content="Hello @
{https://aaronpk.com/}""# [cleverdevil] Also, it now works for non-domain identities like Zegnat's
# [cleverdevil] Looks like nicknames aren't persisting for some reason, though... not sure why
# [tantek] you may want to add some more URL parsing smarts to Twitter handle discover, as there are some top level segments that are not usernames, e.g. see https://pseudonym.cleverdevil.io/identity?url=http://tantek.com
# [cleverdevil] Nice catch!
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# [cleverdevil] (Fixed)
# [cleverdevil] Nicknames are also fixed now.
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gRegorLove cleverdevil++
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jacky I think I broke it? I tried https://jacky.wtf and it 502'd
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# [cleverdevil] Was afk for a bit. Glad it’s working mostly! I’ll check into what’s going on with your site in a bit jacky.
# [cleverdevil] Actually it looks like it’s working fine now 😀
# [cleverdevil] I think it’s because I am running it in turbo not production mode with a single threaded web server behind Apache proxy 😀
# [cleverdevil] Once I get it locked in a little more, I’ll make it not dumb.
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# [cleverdevil] Okay, source and README published - https://github.com/cleverdevil/pseudonym
# [cleverdevil] Loqi, give me my two more!
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petermolnar I caved in. I've had enough of trying to h4xx0r rdfa into HTML and added a json-ld into my site :(
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# petermolnar it had issues
# petermolnar microdata was straighforward, especially with the itemref for author and such
# petermolnar rdfa is madness
# petermolnar eg. I couldn't get google to parse emails properly
# petermolnar so the short summary is that microdata is sort of copy of mf2, with different property names
# petermolnar rdfa is a nope
# petermolnar maybe both
# petermolnar as said, I gave up
# petermolnar nah, it's fine
# petermolnar I did this to myself :D
# petermolnar on the other hand, json-ld is relatively straightforward, but it annoys me a I need to add my author block a good couple of nested times
# petermolnar eg. if I have a Photograph, which has an ImageObject as, both needs my author as author, creator, copyrightholder
# petermolnar and I can't simply say author == creator == copyrightholder
# petermolnar does it?
# petermolnar how?! tell me! :D
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Zegnat Hmm, maybe I was thinking of this, petermolnar: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34761970/schema-org-json-ld-reference/34776122#34776122
# petermolnar unless it's something like self@author, it's not really what I'm after
# petermolnar is nearly finished piling the logs to burn anything related to computing around him
# petermolnar Recursive Descent Forever
# petermolnar [kevinmarks] was spot on
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# petermolnar no, I don't see a point in it, it's for my own (g|p)ain
# petermolnar I can summarize the warning: microdata or json-ld
# petermolnar ignore the rest
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# petermolnar there, summarized: https://imgur.com/a/MvEgOlE
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[kevinmarks] We spent a lot of time trying to get the 'include this from elsewhere in the document' thing in mf1 and decided it was too complicated
# [kevinmarks] The pattern is relatively clean, but still tricky to get right.
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# [kevinmarks] With mf2 it could be clearer because we have explict embedding of a h- within a named property, whereas all the nesting in mf1 was vocabulary specific knowledge
# [kevinmarks] So if we did define something like include pattern for mf2 we could use a url. However you are then implicitly requiring async parsing (the include is a bit like a promise).
# Zegnat petermolnar: here you go! Blank nodes can be used to have nested objects include/reference another one: https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld/#identifying-blank-nodes (see contrived example)
# [kevinmarks] Yes, but it's still a dangling reference so you can't just use recursion.
# petermolnar oh, wait
# petermolnar this is what I actually want
# petermolnar or not
# petermolnar I'm confused
# petermolnar :/
# petermolnar right; so it's your find
# petermolnar the one I actually wanted
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[jgmac1106] Was playing with it as well last night ( I think could have just been useless javascript as well) https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/05/anomalily-anildash-i-tried-to-make-you
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] @anomalily @anildash I tried to make you a quick business card https://bird-society.glitch.me/ but kept running into data that needed to go into javascript rather than HTML where it belongs so I gave up.
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@jgmac1106 I turned native comments off my main site and rely just on webmentions. These are archived sites I do not use any more. Don't feel as bad. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/WSqtv) (twitter.com/_/status/1092748454814773248)
# [jgmac1106] No I was making a fast business card as a fast joke and the template I randomly opened needlessly put useful data in javascript
# [jgmac1106] I mean I guess having all your bio deets in a javascript file you can call whenever would save some time... But meh... Gimme readable HTML
# petermolnar while I dislike it, json-ld is quite readable
# petermolnar I'd like to help and see the problem you saw
# [jgmac1106] Didn't see a problem at all, just wanted to write the HTML it was a great excercise though in understanding why nickname cache gets stored injson-ld
# [jgmac1106] My only problem was speed and my own knowledge.. And just a chance to promote an HTML first world
# [jgmac1106] And for other people. I want to see words and not scripts when I hit source code.. I can't stand websites I don't know how to read yet bc of wizardry
# [jgmac1106] No sorry meant JSON.. Auto completed
# [jgmac1106] Means I have typed JSON-LD too much lately
# petermolnar json vs json-ld is a matter of @context
# petermolnar I've seen JSON more human readable, than HTML, reading is not the problem of JSON, writing is
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# jgmac1106 what does facet mean in this context, just a form field? https://jonudell.info/h/facet/
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sknebel dimensions/aspects/fields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faceted_search
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@digitals_cat Implementing Web Mentions. How to claim back mentions from social media https://peeke.nl/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1092822704384806913)
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# snarfed !tell cleverdevil congrats on launching pseudonym! just fyi, https://pseudonym.cleverdevil.io/identity?url=https://snarfed.org doesn't find my h-card. i skimmed Identity.fetch() but haven't yet seen an obvious bug
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[schmarty] snarfed: it seems to work when i load it. maybe an intermittent issue?
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# [cleverdevil] Hmm.
# Loqi [cleverdevil]: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 11 minutes ago: congrats on launching pseudonym! just fyi, https://pseudonym.cleverdevil.io/identity?url=https://snarfed.org doesn't find my h-card. i skimmed Identity.fetch() but haven't yet seen an obvious bug
# [cleverdevil] So, yes, mf2py doesn't find your h-card.
# [cleverdevil] Well, it does, but its embedded inside of your h-feed, but then doesn't find it when filtering by type.
# [cleverdevil] I really just need a better algorithm for discovering the representative h-card for a particular site.
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# [cleverdevil] Someone who better understands representative h-card should add this capability to mf2py 😛
# [cleverdevil] Oh? I wasn't aware of mf2util
# [cleverdevil] I'll go find it 🙂
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# Loqi mf2util is a Microformats 2 utility for Python, commonly used to extract common features in comments and reply-contexts https://indieweb.org/mf2util
# [cleverdevil] Unfortunately, it looks like it doesn't work particularly well either.
# [cleverdevil] My poor algorithm is more reliable thus far.
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# [cleverdevil] Ah, undocumented function works pretty well.
# [cleverdevil] And in the gaps I can fill them in.
# [cleverdevil] Deployed an improved version, should find most everyone's h-card now 🙂
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Also @WickedEdTech if you want me to show you how to replace Google+ comments (before 4/2) with webmentions I can some time. Webmentions are wicked cool! (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1TINgk) (twitter.com/_/status/1092864348291194885)
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# [cleverdevil] Yes!
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# [cleverdevil] Actually, its documented, I just missed it 😉
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KartikPrabhu might be good to reach out to kylewm to have mf2util either in the microformats or indieweb repo
# [cleverdevil] It also has post type discovery, which I wasn't aware of when I implemented it myself in my own microformats2 package.
# [cleverdevil] May be smart to merge all of these things into a single utility at some point...
# KartikPrabhu not a bad thing to have multiple implementations
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# jacky but this is my yearly graph https://i.imgur.com/2XGEMzr.png
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