#dev 2019-02-12
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I was testing a bunch of things , yes I added webmentions first but when I then transfered to classic themes I lost my earlier header elements, will test now, in between the bath train
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[adam] Do I go to bed or get my site accepting webmentions?
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[chrisaldrich] [adam] Having had webmentions for so long, I don't know how I'd be able to sleep without them, so I vote for the latter.
# [jgmac1106] chrisaldrich the webmention from Bridgy to my site came as a mention rather than a reply. Is this becuase it is inside of <e-content>?
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] what is the sending URL?
# [chrisaldrich] Looks more like you wrote u-in-reply-of instead of u-in-reply-to... ;0
# [chrisaldrich] I manually forced one on your prior post and it came through as a reply, though it apparently didn't find an image in the h-card: https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com/2019/02/reply-post-test.html
# [jgmac1106] oops
# snarfed twurl /1.1/favorites/list.json | jq .[].id_str | sed 's/"//g' | xargs -n 1 -I %% twurl -q -d id=%% /1.1/favorites/destroy.json
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@StormlightTech Thinking that we might have been the ones to teach @microbitch2017 and @ShortShadyBlog how to do webmentions? Has it worked? Bridgy must be failing, because, no retweets showing up comments. (twitter.com/_/status/1095120775852556288)
# [jgmac1106] they have them on their page as webmention but then you purge them and then Twitter doesn't have them
# [jgmac1106] you have engaged the publish and purge method for awhile
# [jgmac1106] !tell skenbel it worked: Blogger and an h-feed on the homepage: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrmacsspot.blogspot.com%2F
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# [jgmac1106] and an h-entry on a post with bridgy to send and receive webmentions
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ The mark up in this post looked fine, so it should work, the end points are there and you aren't using Bridgy for webmentions but the webmention and semantic linkback plugins for WordPress http://shortshady.com/do-we-still-need-braille/ (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/AWLTK) (twitter.com/_/status/1095123563915497477)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Do check your spam folders if using askimet and you can always go directly to the site endpoin to check by sending a manual webmention: http://shortshady.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/h6an7) (twitter.com/_/status/1095124722344431618)
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[tantek] has anyone recently tried https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/verify-me/ ?
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[kevinmarks] just tried and it works
# [kevinmarks] from firefox just now
# [kevinmarks] hm, xoxo.zone there twice
# [kevinmarks] I just naively tried to use PHP to redirect emails and of course they get dropped on the floor because deliverability is now a ritual dane that you have to outsource.
# [kevinmarks] *dance
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I see a Bridgy account: https://brid.gy/twitter/StormlightTech but nothing for @microbitch2017 or @ShortShadyBlog so they can't get webmentions from Bridgy because it doesn't know about them. Clicking on the timestamp in Bridgy will give you some troubleshooting ideas.
https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/11/55743341/ (twitter.com/_/status/1095150510791811072)
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ I see a Bridgy account: https://brid.gy/twitter/StormlightTech but nothing for @microbitch2017 or @ShortShadyBlog so they can't get webmentions from Bridgy because it doesn't know about them. Clicking on the timestamp in Bridgy will give you some troubleshooting ideas.
https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/11/55743341/ (twitter.com/_/status/1095150510791811072)
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ I just forced Bridgy to recrawl @StormlightTech's site and poll again, so you should have received a few webmentions from Twitter in the past few minutes. (Doublecheck Akismet or your spam folder to make sure they're not stuck there.)
https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/11/55743341/?replytocom=245921#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1095152223166689281)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ I spent day hacking on Blogger adding microformats so it can play with #IndieWeb tools. In terms of syndication POSSE copies with IFTT best I can do for now, but still blogger with webmentions and a social reader is awesome… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/12/alexstubenbort-i-spent-day-hacking-on (twitter.com/_/status/1095159685009891328)
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# @jgmac1106 Check out the post #edtechafterdark https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com/2019/02/blog-post_88.html I know it isn't the best #IndieWeb solution but many of you have to use @Blogger for achool policies reasons. Atleast you can own your tweets and get webmentions http://bit.ly/2By6r71 (twitter.com/_/status/1095162665184440320)
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# [tantek] performance << https://github.com/patrickhulce/third-party-web
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/patrickhulce/third-party-web" to the "See Also" section of /performance https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56692&oldid=51224
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# Loqi RelMeAuth is an authentication method that uses personal URL for identity that rel-me link to established OAuth provider(s) to perform the actual authentication https://indieweb.org/RelMeAuth
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petermolnar Peter's new website test: if it works in Dillo, it's good enough ( https://www.dillo.org/ )
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# [adam] It’s on my list to roll my own, will be written in Ruby when it’s done... it’s a long list though
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@sebastiangreger ↩️ Oh-oh, website kaputt :D Sorry and thx for the heads-up. Fixed now; mostly my bad, but also some inexplicable behaviour of the webmention plugin I use :( (twitter.com/_/status/1095280538267586560)
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# @jgmac1106 @mrkndvs you won't get the micropub and microsub for social readers with Blogger (yet could be doable with gadgets) @withknown or @microdotblog still better option. Awesome to #IndieWeb blogger since so many teachers and students have to use it. http://bit.ly/2Bw8h8G (twitter.com/_/status/1095309425559175168)
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# @jgmac1106 I spent yesterday working on a version of a blogger theme compatible with IndieWeb tools like webmentions. You can see an example here: https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com/
Then using IFTT I syndicate my notes to Twitter and the tweets get displayed back on my blog as comments. Here is an … (twitter.com/_/status/1095319039147159552)
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# [Vincent] whenever I search for micropub in the UK these results get returned first: https://whatpub.com/pubs/HAL/10000/calans-micropub-hebden-bridge
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# petermolnar ooh. I can make geocities-gif-like animations with text and css these days. how wonderful!
# petermolnar it's tempting to add a rotating "new" to next to the title of the latest post...
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# [kevinmarks] or just use the classics https://gifcities.org/?q=new
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# [kevinmarks] New
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# cjwillcock i started with making a wordpress theme (pancakes), decided that needed a 'my brand' comment template (pancakes), found that needed a modified or different webmentions setup (pancakes), found that could benefit from a 'my brand' native PHP extension mf2 parser (pancakes), found that PHP is missing a good HTML5 parser which I may need to 'my brand' too (pancakes) ... so before I start
# cjwillcock _that_ does anyone have any problems with like, http or tcp/ip I should know about? cause I'm really looking forward to hitting plate
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# cjwillcock suggestions for a pancakes port number? :P
# cjwillcock (don't mind me - enjoying every minute of it)
# cjwillcock gives loqi a cookie
# cjwillcock gives loqi a pancake
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# Loqi skenbel: [jgmac1106] left you a message 17 hours, 27 minutes ago: it worked: Blogger and an h-feed on the homepage: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrmacsspot.blogspot.com%2F
# skenbel .
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# [adam] [chrisaldrich] I fell asleep, I let you down. But tonight is The Night of the Web Mention.
# [adam] Gosh, I really didn’t get far: `class WebmentionReceiver
# [adam] end
# [adam] `
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ While it looks like you don't have webmentions set up or displaying yet, you might try creating an account with http://Webmentions.io and put the endpoint into your head so you can receive them in the erstwhile on a separate service [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/06/becoming-a-better-writer-thanks-to-the-indieweb-jason-morehead/#Jason,%20while%20it%20looks (twitter.com/_/status/1095390581344264192)
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# cjwillcock asuh: the port number refers to IANA assigned port for the various protocols, e.g. HTTP is 80, FTP is 21, Gopher is 70
# cjwillcock right - that's the rub, they don't and should not - my (attempt at?) humour is lost in chat maybe
# cjwillcock I was suggesting that I wouldn't use HTTP but something else, because I keep unwinding the stack
# cjwillcock it's pancakes all the way down
# cjwillcock ^_^
# cjwillcock specifically, PHP is missing a good HTML core extension
# cjwillcock some discussion in #microformats earlier today on that
# cjwillcock lol - naw this is the fun part of PHP - it's a C program that provides a language, PHP
# cjwillcock so I'm saying no good HTML5 parser in the C part
# cjwillcock no big deal :)
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# cjwillcock swentel: there's a little opportunity to improve in there, it's a problem you can solve with a few different libs, masterminds\html5 like php-mf2 for example
# cjwillcock this all started because I decided to run benchmarks on the mf2 parsers
# cjwillcock and that started because GWG was looking to make parse this faster
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# cjwillcock what amazed me most, was seeing how significant the difference in the performance of the go implementation
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# cjwillcock no, it runs from a pre-downloadeded html file from local disk, that image from cjwillcock.ca, but the mf2bench program allows for easy adding of more sources
# cjwillcock I wrote a little test harness in each language that uses the parser - i only time the call to the main parse function, not the file loading or printing, and not any explicit conversion to JSON or any data access
# cjwillcock I may have goofed the js: https://code.cjwillcock.ca/experiments/mf2bench/src/branch/master/harness/node/microformats-parser/mf2.js
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# snarfed hey cjwillcock would you mind mentioning the version of each of the parsers you tested in https://cjwillcock.ca/2019/02/10/mf2bench-parse-all-the-things-with-all-the-parsers/ ?
# cjwillcock certainly!
# cjwillcock note also, I think that particular screenshot was a terrible benchmark, for the sake of taking a picture, rather than for benchmarking (3 runs per source per parser)
# cjwillcock I'll run it again
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# cjwillcock thanks tantek!
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# [adam] [aaronpk] the Webmention spec is really straightforward to implement, well written!
# [adam] aaronpk++
# [adam] is that how this works? lol
# [adam] Well, credit to them too. I’ve basically got sentences lifted directly from it into RSpec
# [adam] and I was able to focus on the `MUST`s first
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aaronpk what do you mean? https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Channels_2
# [adam] [aaronpk] why did you choose Xray over just parsing the source doc with Nokogiri inside Webmention.io? Just curious
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@scottmathson IndieWeb is amazing. Said it once, will say it again.
Awesome to see such adoption of things like webmention, POSSE, and notes. Going to revisit.
https://twitter.com/scottmathson/status/918514084923949056 (twitter.com/_/status/1095436136321671168)
# [adam] Oh man, [jgarber] - I wish I’d found your Webmention gem earlier, it’s so much nicer than my stab at it
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# [adam] Well, I haven’t installed it just yet, just had a look through the source, not sure I can bring myself to shred my hours of work yet 😂
# [adam] [jgarber] - sorry, this one webmention-client-ruby
# [adam] reads so nicely.
# [adam] The only part of sending web mentions I guess it naturally can’t cover is re-sending to older versions of a post on update
# [adam] I guess I should store sent mentions in my DB
# [adam] and then on save, send to those again before checking for new Web Mentions
# [adam] [aaronpk]’s never too far from any of these things it seems
# [adam] ah yes, I’d only thought of checking for the target link, but you’ll immediately want to parse the microformats
# [adam] [jgarber] In my Rails app I can now just put your gem straight on the `after_save`, v nice.
# [adam] [aaronpk] that makes a lot of sense
# [adam] They are totally separate tasks really.
# [adam] [jgarber] before I go any further do you have a webmention receiver gem too 😂
# [adam] I feared as much
# [adam] coffee might be needed
# [adam] It wouldn’t be as fun if you did it all for me, would it?
# [adam] (It might, actually…🙄)
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[jgarber] My current list of gems I noodle on: https://rubygems.org/profiles/jgarber623
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# [adam] Nice, there will be for some of the rest of my todolist
# [adam] Early on I was wanting to roll _everything_ myself for the experience
# [adam] but right now I’d rather be contributing more to the front-end of my site
# [adam] (My hot take is that most Indie Web sites could look better than they do, and my hunch is everyone’s too busy hacking on these things to make them sexy)
# [adam] Possibly, I started out in front-end though, so I like to think I might be able to contribute something there (not that my current site is an example, that wsa thrown together)
# [adam] Sure, but when it’s just implementing the same spec in the same language, I may as well implement something a bit newer. Got a few things I want to do with Activities and Books on my list
# [adam] I don’t regret having rolled sending Webmentions myself, I just prefer the gem 🙂
# [adam] Oh hello! https://www.rubydoc.info/gems/webmention-verification/0.1.2
# aaronpk [adam]: if you have any thoughts for how to improve the look of this page I am all ears :) https://indieauth.net
# [adam] Yea happy to take a look at it, let me get my site at least receiving Web Mentions first
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# aaronpk swentel: you can add it here https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/blob/master/public/index.php
# [adam] TBF, it’s no worse off than https://oauth.net/2/
# [adam] not that ‘industry-standard protocols’ are the zennith of web design
# [adam] (they totally are good design, just a very different form of design)
# [adam] 😂
# [adam] At least you’re consistent…
# [adam] (sorry)
# [adam] To redeem myself, I’m on http://aaronparecki.com daily for inspiration…
# [adam] Focus on the PR
# [kevinmarks] hacked_together_with_plain_html++
# [adam] [aaronpk], who are your target audience(s) for https://indieauth.net/?
# [adam] Great, so it’s really “Why Indie Web?” then a how to… a bit like Gem / Package websites really?
# [adam] *Why IndieAuth?
# [adam] The design really only needs to be very light touch, some of this is probably around wording. I’ll take a look at it tomorrow and give you a shout?
# [adam] I feel like this is a pattern that a lot of the frameworks etc have solved
# [adam] like, the Download button top right on https://getbootstrap.com/
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# [adam] In fact, the whole layout of that homepage (with a much smaller nav) might work pretty well
# [adam] It probably needs a _little_ more explanation than Bootstrap
# [adam] yea, that’s true, but even then, the “Download” Bootstrap page for example has 9 primary headings (https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.3/getting-started/download/)
# [adam] probably roughly equivalent to “Choosing an Indie Auth Provider”
# [adam] It’s not a perfect analogy, but it could get us somewhere I think
# [adam] (And I think part of the problem is that “Why IndieAuth?” is answered by “Why IndieWeb?“)
# [adam] I guess we answer Developer-first
# [adam] but you’re right, this is a weird mix of a sales page and a developer ‘get me started’ package page
# [adam] We almost want a SaaS product style homepage: https://monday.com/?utm_expid=111624240-600.73GRY57iSDCB74YDEhhJgA.0
# [adam] (I’m just picking examples at random, I’ve never used monday.com they’re just spending loads on ads so they came to mind)
# [adam] that sort of ‘feature list’
# aaronpk yeah, that sort of thing was some of my inspiration for this page, which is not aging well https://indieauth.com/
# [adam] Well, let me take a go at merging the two, if I can give it a basic aesthetic, you can get the content right
# [adam] The writing is all pretty good
# [adam] IMO
# [adam] (which isn’t necesarrily a cross over, good w3c spec-writers don’t always make good homepage writers 🙂 )
# [adam] oh 100%
# [adam] Then there’s a challenge of how much detail to include on the homepage
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# [adam] [aaronpk] Nudge me tomorrow if you haven’t heard antythig
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# [adam] *anything
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