#dev 2019-02-14

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@mattl ↩️ @pleia2 You could turn on some IndieWeb plugins and have comments from here on your blog via http://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1095837470254657536)
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petermolnar if I base64 inline my images in my HTML, will archive.org archive them?
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petermolnar (this is how I end up with 10MB HTML files, hm.)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ the beautiful thing about webmentions is they capture the conversation while encouraging folks to engage from their own domain and not just social media. So much better than native comments no one uses but spammers. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1Pmu0f) (twitter.com/_/status/1096051634399006721)
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: careful there, this is how you get webmention spam
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[jgmac1106] It will come, malware eventually found Apple once they had more than seven users
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sknebel petermolnar: sure, but it should also archive them if you link them?
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sknebel or rather, use them as image files?
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sknebel archive is not limited to html
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petermolnar they did not use to archive images
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[deeden] itunes
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[deeden] Pesky windows!
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sknebel looking at the circle visuals from yesterday: sigh, not all browser even do conical gradients yet
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sknebel that seemed like an easy tweak
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[schmarty] sknebel: i thought that was true about conical gradients in CSS, but SVG gradients are different?
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sknebel I don't think they support it either
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sknebel seems like there's a polyfill though, which generates a background image instead
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[davidmead] morning all
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[davidmead] when content is POSSE’d is it just anything within `e-content`?
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sknebel no (titles, photos, tags, ...)
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[davidmead] but they have to be marked up accordingly (with a mf) too sknebel, yes?
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sknebel are you talking about some specific software?
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sknebel "POSSE" is just the concept of also syndicating to other pages
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sknebel with how it's done technically left totally open
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[davidmead] I’m moving things around on a Known template, and want to make sure things that shouldn’t get POSSEd are in the right container (or not, as the case may be)
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sknebel are you using some Known feature, bridgy, ... ?
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[eddie] Yeah, that's going to depend on your POSSE process. I think Known has a POSSE plug in that probably uses your internal post content as opposed to the template to decide what gets POSSEd
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[eddie] The other option is probably Bridgy which uses a combination of the entirety of mf2 markup, not just e-content
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[eddie] haha sknebel!
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[eddie] 🙂
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[davidmead] i’m looking to add a field when creating a post, of any kind, where you can add tags. I wanted to make sure that it’s content get written in the “right” place so if that post gets syndicated to, say Twitter, those tags would come through as part of the post…
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[davidmead] but on my site they are marked up as a list of tags
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[davidmead] just don’t want to break too many things 🙂
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[eddie] Makes sense. Do you currently syndicate to Twitter?
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[davidmead] sometimes
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[eddie] Do you know if it's a Known plugin or Bridgy that you use?
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[eddie] They will have different tactics on deciding what goes through to Twitter
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[davidmead] I guess it depends. Sometimes I write in Known, sometimes in Quill
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[davidmead] I think Quill uses Brid.gy
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[eddie] Quill doesn't have built in syndication. It just uses what the Micropub endpoint (in this case Known) provides it
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[davidmead] Ah, ok
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[davidmead] I’m also changing the markup to try and cut down on the amount of `<div>` used and going for a more structured use of `<article>`
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[eddie] That's great!
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[davidmead] so I don’t want to “break” anything there either 😉
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[eddie] Yeah so Bridgy would use everything in e-content as long as there is no "p-summary" on the page
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[eddie] Bridgy will separately look for any photos marked up as u-photo (either inside or outside of e-content) and it will include those as image attachments
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[davidmead] that answers a follow-up question eddie 🙂 thx
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[eddie] 😄 awesome! happy to help.
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[davidmead] still getting used to the small differences moving from WP back to Known
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[davidmead] thx sknebel
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[eddie] Yeah, there can definitely be some small gotchas there
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@grantcodes Awesome! Let's try to get you on there! So I think your issue is that your authorization endpoint is set to http://indiecert.net which doesn't seem to exist. You might want to use http://indieauth.com instead? (twitter.com/_/status/1096083218669936641)
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sknebel grantcodes[m]: ^^^ missed reply-to?
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[grantcodes] Yeah, something went wrong with my syndication
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sknebel https://grant.codes/2019/02/14/awesome-lets-try-to-get-you also doesn't have a reply-to
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Loqi [Grant Richmond] Awesome! Let's try to get you on there! So I think your issue is that your authorization endpoint is set to indiecert.net which doesn't seem to exist. You might want to use indieauth.com instead?
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[grantcodes] I probably just didn't hit the right button in omnibear
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[grantcodes] Oh yeah, I would have got hit by this: https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear/issues/77
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Loqi [grantcodes] #77 Reply To is not cached
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[schmarty] fwiw i think quill can do twitter syndication now, if you connect your twitter
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aaronpk it only syndicates likes to twitter
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[schmarty] ah, good to know
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aaronpk used to do instagram likes too, but they kkilled that a while ago
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[schmarty] this may be of interest to aaronpk and other folks. adafruit is working on a little net-connected python device and we're working on lots of demos for it: https://blog.adafruit.com/2019/02/14/pyportal-projects-videos-and-more-adafruit-circuitpython-python-pyportal-badgelife/
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[schmarty] we figure we should get a lot of low-hanging fruit out of the way. like showing the latest tweet from a given account.
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[schmarty] but twitter's latest dev agreements actually make this really ugly for DIY devices
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aaronpk RIP twitter api
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[schmarty] so i go to thinking about making a little microsub client
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sknebel [schmarty]: are those running Micropython?
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[schmarty] *got
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[schmarty] sknebel: close! it's circuitpython, a micropython fork that adafruit stewards
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sknebel another fork? poor micropython...
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sknebel although I guess it makes sense for adafruit to not risk their brand on a random open source projec
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[schmarty] circuitpython has been around for a while and has been getting a lot of hardware support and new libs. about to hit 4.0
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[schmarty] so for microsub, i think i could build a proxy service that handles the indieauth/relmeauth dance using oauth2 device flow and gives the pyportal an oauth token
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[schmarty] and from there microsub is easy and small enough to just use
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[schmarty] should be pretty fun to, e.g., set up a photos feed of sources that post lots of photos
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sknebel I have a few micropython devices around, although none has a large display
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[schmarty] anyway i wanted to touch base and see if this is a Bad Idea
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sknebel sounds interesting
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[schmarty] given how goofy it is to get started with twitter without violating their terms of service, i think it'd be nice to show "but the new indieweb readers work well..."
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aaronpk funny you should say that because i'm literally writing a blog post right now about my device flow proxy server
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Device-Flow-Proxy-Server
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Loqi [aaronpk] Device-Flow-Proxy-Server: Sample OAuth 2.0 proxy server that implements the device flow
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[schmarty] haha i found it the other day after you mentioned it. shouldn't be too hard to bolt on some minimal indieauth/relmeauth to meet the needs of microsub auth.
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aaronpk yep
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sknebel wonders if there's something to deploy such a reader with one of the epaper badges for... calendar maybe?
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aaronpk oh what i haven't seen those before
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[schmarty] oh yeah! adafruit has been doing some new eink stuff that should be made to work with this.
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aaronpk ohhh i want this so bad
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sknebel I have a few epaper based badges from a hackercamp
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[schmarty] https://blog.adafruit.com/2019/02/01/new-product-adafruit-2-13-tri-color-eink-epaper-display-with-sram-red-black-white/
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[schmarty] i like these tri-color things
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sknebel haven't seen one of those in the flesh yet
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aaronpk i like the one that attaches to the pi zero
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[schmarty] oh yeah, the pHats are pretty brilliant
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sknebel I wonder why they only seem to be around with red as the accent color
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aaronpk i want that epaper badge for my nametag for IWS
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aaronpk and it would show the last webmention that anyone sends me
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sknebel right, I had planned to bring one to nurnberg and forgot
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sknebel (sha badge, those look like this: https://wiki.sha2017.org/w/File:Badge1.jpg - but they only made one big run for the event)
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sknebel (being able to just order from adafruit is a lot more accessible then, even over here)
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sknebel it was a clever solution for the typical problem with digital event badges, where normal screens mean "can't read in the sun", "sorry, my badge crashed and can't show my name", "sorry, my badge is out of power and can't show my name"
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[schmarty] epaper++
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Loqi epaper has 1 karma over the last year
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[eddie] I've thought about that as well when I ordered my first pi zero a couple of months ago
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sknebel [schmarty]: adafruit doesn't want to sponsor electronic badges for IWCs, do they? :D
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aaronpk :D :D
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[eddie] great idea!
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[eddie] lol
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[schmarty] uh maybe
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sknebel (I saw an announcement today that seeed gives rebates for badge projects this year, which is why it popped into my head. in some circles this has become a big thing, e.g. Defcon)
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[schmarty] that's neat!
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sknebel with the european hackercamps there's a few projects using the same micropython base for their projects, with a (partially shared) app store and such. quite interesting to watch
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aaronpk i don't neeeed more projects but i wannnnt this
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[pt] okee dokee, hi folks, i'm phil from adafruit and i work with marty, i can answer questions about our upcoming open-source python-powered Iot device that happens to make a great badge
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[pt] did a blog post today and marty is doing a lot of cool "tinyJSON" to make it all work https://blog.adafruit.com/2019/02/14/pyportal-projects-videos-and-more-adafruit-circuitpython-python-pyportal-badgelife/
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[pt] hi hi [aaronpk]
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[Rose] Hey!
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[pt] we'll a few units soon for folks who want to work some of the pythony' things and more too
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aaronpk so i'm not great at hardware, but i can deal with software all day long. whenever i come across these kinds of things i usually get stuck on them on the hardware side. i'd love to see some tutorials on getting these things up and running that assume zero knowledge about the hardware side of things.
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[pt] that is who we made this for...
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[pt] plug it in, shows up as USB drive
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[pt] code.py opens in any editor
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[pt] that's it
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aaronpk 🎉
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[Rose] Nice! I'm not awful at hardware, but I'm a software first person
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[pt] we've lived through 10+ years of giant complex IDEs just to blink a LED, that time is over
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jacky _nice_
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[schmarty] having been playing with one of these i can confirm the workflow is super easy. it reboots on save, so it's live reloading.
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[jgmac1106] Welcome PT... The IRL h-card generator!
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[pt] [schmarty] made a demo within hours of handing one over
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[pt] it had built in QR code generator too
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[schmarty] and you can use screen to watch for debugging or to grab the python REPL and poke at things by hand.
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[jgmac1106] And I thought it was gonna be the old school tin pin badge makers
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aaronpk ooh QR code will be handy for the oauth device flow bit
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[pt] we stuck to CPython too, so if ya know python... ya know electronics now
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[jgmac1106] Whole time thought it was gonna be a 3d printer version of https://www.amazon.com/Badge-Minit-Starter-Machine-Pin-Back/dp/B012O1JJP4
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[jgmac1106] This is way cooler (though I think the former would rage in the PTO fundraising as a well to upsell Adafruit later)
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[jgmac1106] This is awesome! Want it for all or makers paces. I do ours on campus and New Haven Public Library
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[pt] maker/hackspaces have the max discounts on adafruit when they send a note to the reseller team
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[pt] many fund their workshops that way, etc
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[jgmac1106] We wanted a way to verify trainings we were going to make "fake books" and use library cards. I want this instead
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[pt] oh! funny you say that, the device stores PDFs too (ebooks, etc)
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[pt] it's a sub drive as well
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[pt] we did that with an event, hackaday, book was on the USB drive - https://learn.adafruit.com/getting-started-with-hallowing-for-hackaday-supercon-attendees?view=all
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[pt] i'll check back from time to time and also give marty heads-up when there relevant things for indieweb things, we'll be launching soon too!
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GWG I have an ePaper pHat
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GWG I wouldn't mind a simpler solution
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GWG I missed, what's the price point on that?
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[schmarty] GWG: for which? the PyPortal? not announced yet AFAIK. ;}
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GWG Schmarty, it would be great for displaying my Webmentions
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[schmarty] GWG yeah. i think i wanna put together a microsub client on here that shows my aperture Notifications channel (which gets notifies from wm.io)
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GWG schmarty, keep us posted
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[schmarty] will do!
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sknebel sounds cool (sorry for disappearing, was called to dinner)
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mcverryj1 How can I figure out where I am going wrong in Fed.brid.gy I did all the signup……wait…..maybe my update deleted my header
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mcverryj1 nope everything set up correctly for Bridgy Fed….will have to diagnose tomorrow
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[eddie] mcverryj1 https://fed.brid.gy/responses
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[eddie] That lists the recent Bridgy Fed activity
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mcverryj1 I know I don’t even show up there yet I exist here: quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com@quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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[eddie] Do you have a specific post you're trying to federate?
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mcverryj1 all of them
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mcverryj1 they should just work
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mcverryj1 problem for another day, I am chalking it up to how my shared host does Apache, someone else on Reclaim going to try and see if it happens to them too
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sknebel what exactly do you expect to happen? bridgy.fed will not post anything without you telling it to
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[eddie] You have to send a webmention to fed.brid.gy for every post you want to federate
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mcverryj1 ohhh really, I had no idea, I thought it worked and just sent everything out
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sknebel https://fed.brid.gy/#use
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mcverryj1 …..ugggg now I rememebr why I go down this route…..I can’t add html in Known status updates….
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mcverryj1 but I can use the reply bvox...duh
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mcverryj1 not reply box I am not sending a reply but if I put the bridgy link in body of note it works
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mcverryj1 yipee https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/101592179897880564
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mcverryj1 sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (98 in all channels)
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mcverryj1 eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 37 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
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[eddie] Congrats mcverryj1!
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mcverryj1 ohh yeah new hard drive need to switch my Nick
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mcverryj1 I know people hate hiding data but I am temptedt to add a plugin that adds a button for <link href=“https://fed.brid.gy”> rather than have it in every note. Bad idea?
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[eddie] I have the fed.brid.gy link as a hidden link in my post template so that every post has it
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@jgmac1106 @seanthewhitecat I bet if you added a microformats parser to syllabuddy my syallabi will play alot nicer with your system then what has to be a tough OCR with PDFs. https://fed.brid.gy (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/21TkQu) (twitter.com/_/status/1096137367180718080)
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sknebel yeah, for the trigger links hidden is fine
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aaronpk i just realized i think the third color on that color epaper is white
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aaronpk lol
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[eddie] ohhhh
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[eddie] I was kind of confused by that but didn't think too much into it
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[grantcodes] Haha that little thing looks awesome!
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[grantcodes] But [schmarty] are you maybe overthinking the auth on your microsub client for it. There is no way a non technical user would use one is there? Why not just put a token into the token? And if you release it just tell people where to paste their own?
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aaronpk no hardcoding tokens!
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aaronpk also for a lot of people, getting a token they can hardcode isn't actually any easier than doing an indieauth login
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[grantcodes] Eh, call me what you will, but I hardcode tokens occasionally 😅
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snarfed hard coded tokens have a nasty tendency to end up in repos
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mcverryj1 also had no idea how popular my Blogger stuff was going to be, makes me want to explore gadgets and see if I can add a micropub and micrsub endpoint that way…but I highly doubt it. Google deleted my post from the product forum
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[schmarty] hardcodedtokens--
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Loqi hardcodedtokens has -1 karma over the last year
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mcverryj1 its a great band name though
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GWG I want to solve some h-card parsing issues. When a feed has a minimal h-card without an image, I want to go out and get it, but when I implemented that, it retrieved the same author data for every h-entry on a feed... slowed the thing down immensely
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GWG How do other people approach it?
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GWG https://indieweb.org/feed#How_To_Consume
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GWG I am looking at this
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snarfed naive answer is cache, right?
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snarfed ie only fetch a given url once, and reuse it later if necessary
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snarfed you can get more sophisticated and obey HTTP caching headers, but within a single backend request, i'd just ignore them and reuse all fetched data per url
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GWG snarfed, fetch it once during the feed or once and cache it regardless?
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GWG Sounds like a nickname cache prototype
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sknebel I'd start with once during the feed
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snarfed ^ right
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sknebel still saves you a request for all other posts
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snarfed nickname cache brings in a whole bunch of user-visible functionality baggage. this is just caching HTTP requests.
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sknebel and you avoid a host of issues that can come up with longer-term caching
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GWG The easiest way is to parse the feed then do a second pass to enhance the authors
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GWG All I am trying to do is show the author's photo on the feed.
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GWG It would be so much easier if feeds weren't so different
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GWG I just changed my feed to include me name, url and photo on every feed item. Might be repeating myself
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GWG I am trying to get to quality consumption of feeds for a Microsub endpoint
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sknebel presumably you're looking up author links you found and check those for photos etc? so you can just store the info you found temporarily and check before fetching a url if you already have the data from it
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GWG sknebel, that was my plan.
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mblaney GWG I added a mini cache to SimplePie for that, just to avoid the extra fetches. It's only kept while parsing the feed.