#dev 2019-02-15
2019-02-15 UTC
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@jensimmons Let’s hear it from the fans of the PHP include! <?php include("foobar.php"); ?> 😚🤪🤑😹💯 (Any of us left?) (twitter.com/_/status/1096097437469601797)
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[kevinmarks] I need to make some I <? PHP t-shirts
# [kevinmarks] If you like php include you'll like jinja2 in python and nunjucks in node.
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eduardm jekyll postcss
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[schmarty] lol kevinmarks
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[jgmac1106] this is the weirdest thing. I have tried <link href="https://fed.brid.gy"></link> and I get nothing, edited my template to try it both inside and outside content: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/15/when-i-started-working-on-mozilla-leadership
# [jgmac1106] but if I put the link directly in the body of the text (which Known turns into a link does work
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@jgmac1106 I am a proud backer of @withknown on Open Collective but this update from @benwerd has me stoked: https://opencollective.com/known/updates/thank-you
1.0 release and IPFS file storage in the future!
https://fed.brid.gy (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/penM2) (twitter.com/_/status/1096289456913559552)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ we call them webmentions. Replaces social media with the web, way things meant to be. If I send you a reply post it appears as a comment. Works for WordPress too.
hacked on @Blogger and added #IndieWeb stuff classic theme editor. … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/15/edheil-we-call-them-webmentions-replaces-social (twitter.com/_/status/1096296939786772480)
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# sknebel Google invents a fragmention format too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19168442
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# kisik21 Good morning indieweb! does my website feel stable enough for you when I'm running my home router as a gateway? https://fireburn.ru/
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# [Vincent] @kisik21 Morning, I just tried accessing your domain and it returned a 500 😢
# [jgmac1106] I saw it
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# [Vincent] It’s working now for me but quite slooow. (in the UK on 50+ mb)
# kisik21 It's always slow. I'm not sure if it's the fault of router or my sloooow backend
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petermolnar kisik21: if lighttpd can do http2, I'd recommend to set it up like that, it would make it faster, with no additional requirements
# kisik21 lighttpd cannot do http2
# petermolnar any possibility to swap it for nginx?
# kisik21 Considering moving to nginx but I'm afraid that the measly 700KB left on router's flash will not fit nginx inside
# petermolnar you're probably right
# kisik21 using OpenWRT btw
# petermolnar but kudos for running it from a router
# petermolnar what's the hardware?
# kisik21 ZyXEL Keenetic Omni II. 64MB RAM, 8MB flash, decent processor (its stock OS was fairly functional including downloading torrents, using SMB, FTP and other stuff, but I needed more! I needed a root shell!)
# kisik21 without zram-swap it crashes after serving one page from my site
# kisik21 it was running three dropbears though, they're pretty memory-hogging once there are too many
# kisik21 Now it's running only one dropbear and lighttpd
# kisik21 Considering reflashing it to fit all packages inside the squashfs (possibly nginx would fit!)
# kisik21 also it renews my ssl certificates
# kisik21 I heard nginx can proxy smtp and imap, right?
# kisik21 petermolnar: if nginx can proxy smtp and imap I could get rid of that sshfs mount on yuki (my backend server) with SSL keys for dovecot and postfix
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# petermolnar I can't remember imap, stmp yes
# kisik21 sknebel: http on michiko (my router), postfix/dovecot on yuki (my raspberry pi) with ports 25 and 143 forwarded (using STARTTLS)
# kisik21 sknebel: yeah
# kisik21 open to better ideas though
# kisik21 sknebel: no API on my provider sadly, but I can change my NS records. Considering setting up some free authoritative DNS with an API that could be used, any recommendations? preferably not cloudflare
# kisik21 can you do it with one NS record only?
# kisik21 I wanna replicate your setup
# kisik21 I hope this can be done on OpenWRT because I really don't want to involve yuki in this
# kisik21 yuki's OS is so outdated I'm afraid to even touch it
# kisik21 also I'm considering upgrading to an RPi3 once I have the money
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# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] sent fragmentions link to the developers behind the Google project for annotations... Said that is exactly what they are building
# [kevinmarks] I should engage with them directly
# [kevinmarks] because I think their 'exactly' isn't mine
# [jgmac1106] To let you know some familiar faces in the GitHub repo already cscarven pushing for RDFa compatibility..
# [jgmac1106] Hacker News comments are hilarious.. Attacking Google for not using a W3C standard... When they are using ID and text selector......
# [jgmac1106] I was politely trying to say people who have expressed tension with our community are already on the issue... Avoid the tech description
# [kevinmarks] I made an issue: https://github.com/bokand/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/5
# [jgmac1106] The W3C annotation standard the way hypothes.is implements uses RDFa to customize
# [kevinmarks] the w3c annotation standard is very complicated
# [jgmac1106] Yeah I started to map them to mf2. Link in repo... Judell said he will help with mf2 export tool if we can just map everything for him
# [jgmac1106] Unmung rss got close
# [kevinmarks] can add mappings to unmung RSS if you like
# [jgmac1106] I will need to go back and take a look. My problem is I want to nest annotations under the first h-entry notine the article.
# [jgmac1106] But I have never dug deep into unmu
# [jgmac1106] Unmung
# [jgmac1106] That is hypothes.is rss feed into unmung
# [jgmac1106] !tell Zegnat it is hacky but figured out way to send students private "post" I send a reply but set it as private in Known. The webmention shows up in moderation... Student doesn't publish it...private post like.. But I can deliver critical feedback
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# [kevinmarks] I am tempted to do an image link to https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ for missing profile pics from twitter
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@rubygems indieauth-token-verification (0.2.0): Perform the access token verification portion of the IndieAuth process by… https://rubygems.org/gems/indieauth-token-verification (twitter.com/_/status/1096401611860119552)
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@swentel ↩️ Works perfect with the built-in #drupal microsub server. Would be great if someone could test with other microsub servers (Aperture, Ekster ..) (twitter.com/_/status/1096429949232254976)
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swentel all storage is defined within the entity classes (https://cgit.drupalcode.org/indieweb/tree/modules/indieweb_microsub/src/Entity)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Ohh yeah I would be remiss not mentions @swentel's work with Drupal. that works out of box for #IndieWeb but it's a harder box to build for average WordPress user. https://fed.brid.gy (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/23MpfM) (twitter.com/_/status/1096436681719324674)
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# [jgmac1106] [snarfed] does this sound like it's a Known problem with the rich text HTML options .... I can't use <link> for Bridgy Fed, <a="href>" works but <link="href"> does not.....I have tried <link> inside and oustide of content in status updates. and it is in the source code
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aaronpk nobody pointed out that we've had fragmention for 5 years? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19168442
# [jgmac1106] one sec biz call
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# [jgmac1106] <link> doesn't show up in the logs, but <a> goes successful every time https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/15/this-attempt-didnt-work-i-moved-the
# [jgmac1106] and wow 550 lines of HTML a lot to send a note
# [jgmac1106] <p class="p-name e-content entry-content"><link href="https://fed.brid.gy"></link> tried both inside and outside of e-content
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@edheil ↩️ Oh, I know known and like it a lot! Was using it previously. I just wanted native comments (not just webmentions) and didn't think it had them. But I wonder if it was just that I didn't activate a plugin for it, I see there is one. (twitter.com/_/status/1096454490335649793)
# sknebel yeah, seems like https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/15/testing-my-withknown-install-to-see-if never got sent to bridgy fed
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] Testing my @withknown install to see if I edited the templates for notes to have post syndicate to my fediverse instance: https://github.com/jgmac1106/Known/blob/master/IdnoPlugins/Status/templates/default/entity/Status.tp...
# [jgmac1106] cool [cleverdevil] helped me find a syndication plugin to try for micropub, I will try the same thing for Bridgy Fed
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ You will get spam. Add Askimet plugin. I turn native comments off. Webmentions a better model. I build them in with students getting online for first time. The reply post, not sure why, maybe the agentive writing, usually so much richer than a… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/15/edheil-you-will-get-spam-add-askimet (twitter.com/_/status/1096463518705074178)
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# [jgmac1106] Hope i did not mispeak in this thread: https://github.com/bokand/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/4
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willnorris regarding the story yesterday of Chrome's "scroll to text fragment" ... I immediately reached out to the Google engineer working on the feature to ask about why fragmention wasn't listed as an "alternative considered". They have some maybe interesting use cases for extending the syntax in the future, which fragmention wouldn't allow, so I get that. Though I like kevinmarks's idea of falling back to fragmention.
# snarfed [jgmac1106]: yeah i expect your problem is that known only sends webmentions to links inside post content. (and maybe only to <a>s, not <link>s). bridgy fed itself will happily accept the string 'https://fed.brid.gy/' anywhere in the HTML
# willnorris hey snarfed! :) Yep, it's been a while, but I'm still kickin
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# [jgmac1106] yeah it the <link> and not <a> I tried in and out of post content, and then verifies by doing it an article to make sure it wasn't the weird HTML rich text editor embedded in status posts
# [jgmac1106] going to try the plugin [cleverdevil] recommendation and this will give me a button as well
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# [kevinmarks] They linked to fragmention when I looked. The point for me is that fragmentions can be the last thing you try after anyone's fragment parsing. It's the simplest and most robust
# [kevinmarks] You could also do Michal's sidewiki thing of enabling links to other occurrences of the text if the fragment is long enough
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[tantek] yes I just saw it in the end of the main page https://github.com/bokand/ScrollToTextFragment#using-css-selectors-as-fragment-identifiers
# willnorris they're talking about hooking it into Chrome's "find in page" feature, so you could use the native browser UI to skip through occurrences of the searched text
# [tantek] willnorris WDYT is a good way to get fragmentions as fallback into this? https://github.com/bokand/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/5
# willnorris I'd initially wait and see if bokand responds to that issue, and see what he says. I can follow up with him directly as well to coax him toward that.
# willnorris just chatted with David. Sounds promising. I'll try to keep you posted if he doesn't respond on the GitHub issue
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# [kevinmarks] Thank you. I think they have gone through the same use case journey that I have with this.
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# [kevinmarks] I like the idea of a command F setting the url bar to a fragmention link (maybe expanding out text to make it unique on the page, per the poetry example.
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# snarfed hey jacky, minor suggestion for your webmention receiver, you'll want to use u-url when available instead of source url for links back to wms. that would make your reply links eg here https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/fb0eb17b-dde6-48ff-a0c8-3cc107711fa4#mentions_like go to the actual tweets, instead of ugly bridgy pages
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[cleverdevil] <neo>Whoa</neo>
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KartikPrabhu what isifps
# KartikPrabhu what is ifps
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ifps" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ifps is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu oh oops
# KartikPrabhu what is ipfs
# Loqi IPFS is short for InterPlanetary File System, potentially a static site storage method using content based addressing https://indieweb.org/IPFS
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jacky ooh it's already at http://ptd.spec.indieweb.org/#algorithm
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# petermolnar I'm going to upload an experimental, relative url version of my site, if anyone spots issues, could you please let me know?
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# petermolnar eh, already spotted an issue, u-featured became relative as well
# KartikPrabhu petermolnar: all mf2 properties are allowed to have a relative URL in the source HTML, the parser should make them absolute
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# [tantek] This is amazing. I wonder if this could be yet another way to show personal /archives : https://adactio.com/notes/14815
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