#dev 2019-06-12

2019-06-12 UTC
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@oss_php processwire-webmention - A ProcessWire module to add webmention support. https://github.com/gregorlove/processwire-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1138601412085067777)
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gRegorLove Thanks Loqi, I never would have found that
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Loqi you're welcome, gRegorLove
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mblaney I would like to support the idea Rose suggested of being able to specify a feed to not follow.
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mblaney I wonder if we could re-use rel="nofollow" this? It's not overly useful for it's intended purpose, so could be used in a literal sense?
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GWG mblaney: When did get_thumbnail enter SimplePie?
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GWG Sorry, aware off your question
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mblaney before my time GWG, I think it was dropped a long time ago too?
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mblaney ah no it's still there I see.
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GWG mblaney: No, still in there. Just not in the version in WordPress...again
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mblaney I was thinking of the favicon stuff that was dropped
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GWG mblaney: I spent a lot of time getting data out of SimplePie. I may have to open issues.
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mblaney git tells me January 2014
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GWG Depressing.
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mblaney I thought you were including the latest version yourself?
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GWG mblaney: I was testing backward compatibility to see if it would fail if not included.
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mblaney yeah ok you could always check the simplepie version string
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GWG mblaney: I am pleased people are still maintaining it for now
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[tantek] Is anyone using RSS or Atom CATEGORY to explicitly categorize their different post (especially) response types for legacy feed reader consumption? e.g. category of "like" for likes, etc. basically setting a category based on PTD for your posts.
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GWG Actually, no. But interesting idea
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GWG I just spent a few days playing with RSS and Atom feeds.
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GWG It was very instructive
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[tantek] It was [snarfed]'s idea
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snarfed [tantek]: i am
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snarfed it powers https://snarfed.org/responses
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[tantek] ooh
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snarfed actually sorry, i currently exclude those posts from feeds. they'd get categories there if i did include them though
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GWG I have an RSS feed for every type of post.
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GWG But not expressly noting the type in unified feed
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[tantek] yes that
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GWG snarfed, [tantek]: What exactly is the idea?
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GWG I'm confused. I understand why you might make it a category, but what would you do with that?
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snarfed GWG: filter in legacy readers
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snarfed see #indieweb
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GWG Sorry. Missed that
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jmac I'm back with more questions stemming from Kicks Condor's HTML source confusing me. Regarding this snippet: https://pastebin.com/gkPQJwv8 I have two questions. The first is: that `rel="nometion"`, is that standard? (I take it that it means "Please don't throw a webmention at this item's URL value?")
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jmac (I mean `rel="nomention"`, of course)
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[tantek] never heard of it
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[tantek] also since anyone can "send" a webmention, it's kind of pointless
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[tantek] your code needs to be able to handle receiving webmentions for any of the URLs on a page
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jmac Right. I guess it's for Kicks's own use then? How wacky. I'll ask him about it
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jmac Thank you for simplifying my life there. :) Question 2: Is is kosher for Kicks to tuck the the value of a u-in-reply-to property as the URL value of an h-cite item that that property contains, as demonstrated in that same snippet? (versus just having e.g. `<a href="http://example.com" class="u-in-reply-to">...</a>`, or whatnot)
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jmac (It very well might be kosher! If so I just hadn't run into it before)
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jacky what is reply-context
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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jacky that might have some context (lol) for that answer
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jmac jacky: Very good, and news to me. Thank you!!
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Loqi jacky has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (62 in all channels)
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[tantek] jacky++ 😂
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jmac (And Kicks confirms that rel="nomention" is just an ad-hoc instruction for their own CMS. Okey dokey)
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jacky ooh interesting
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jacky my site would just send webmentions to everything and do a soft fail if it doesn't work
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jacky but doing that does save a request call
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jacky might be easier (process wise but not implementation) to track how many times a call fails and just _not_ do it past a certain count
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jacky Nextcloud makes so much personal data collection easy
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jacky probably not a good thing lol
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jacky but I can track my trips and what not easily from it
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jacky and for some reason, gpx{pod} and phonetrack grab my phone's battery level as well
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jacky I think I might show some of that on my site if I can wrangle the API
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@jgmac1106 @steelwagstaff you should head out to #IndieWeb summit. Be great to have some @pressbooks folks there. We do fun WordPress stuff and @pressbooks and webmentions would be awesome... If not if @Pressbooks wanted to sponsor a meal (300, 200, 100) that would be great. (twitter.com/_/status/1138740006456037376)
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I do because Known only does RSS for each post type
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jgmac1106 wow to unlock my account Twitter wants access to my website, “Link to and instructions on how to log into your app to review it for compliance” little heavy handed
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[eddie] ohh because you're using API keys for an application that you own?
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[eddie] That might be why they are suspicious, because you tweet so much AND you're using API keys that are used by a single user?
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[eddie] Definitely seems like a potential for Spam analysis (don't worry, I know you aren't spam :D)
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aaronpk oh dear, i need to set some upper limit on the number of photos monocle displays
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aaronpk grantcodes[m]'s photo albums just brought my browser to a crawl
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[eddie] lol!
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[eddie] uh oh
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[eddie] is Micropub.rocks working okay? I've tried to login the last couple of days and I don't think I've ever seen an email arrive
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aaronpk check spam?
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aaronpk i can check the mail logs
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[eddie] 🤦
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[eddie] There it is
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aaronpk 👍
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[eddie] lol time to log into gmail and mark as "important" lol
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aaronpk email is fun whee
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[eddie] lol yep
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aaronpk oops it's been a while since i've reviewed my ssl cipher suite apparently
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aaronpk still gets an A on ssllabs tho!
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cweiske that's one of the things that make me wish we hadn't computers at all
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aaronpk 😂
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cweiske "reviewing my ssl cipher suite"
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cweiske on the todo list directly after "cleaning the inside of the washing machine hose"
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[grantcodes] Hahaha I love posting my full res photo albums 😛
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Loqi awesome
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[grantcodes] I think in monocle the issue probably isn't the number of photos, but rather that they are full res? Let me check...
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aaronpk oh that could be too haha
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[grantcodes] Yep, 100% that
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk i suppose monocle (or aperture?) should be better about scaling those down
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[grantcodes] Probably on the client
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[kevinmarks786] add lazyload to them?
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[grantcodes] Together scales them and works great
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aaronpk not sure i want to require all clients to implement/host an image scaler
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[eddie] Yeah that's what I was about to say
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[eddie] as an iOS client, I would definitely appreciate a Microsub server that scales images 😄
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[grantcodes] There was an issue somewhere for providing sizes with images
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[grantcodes] Here's what I use: https://images.weserv.nl/
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[kevinmarks786] https://addyosmani.com/blog/lazy-loading/
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[eddie] There might be a way for me to downscale images I'm grabbing from the interwebs, but 🤷‍♂️
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[grantcodes] All free and on the fly resizing
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[eddie] interesting
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[eddie] How long has it been around? lol
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aaronpk it's one thing to do it for images in the photo attribute, it's another to go into the HTML and replace all the <img> tags
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[eddie] ohhhh... yeah
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aaronpk that's why i want to do it on the server
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aaronpk since the server is already mungling with the HTML
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[grantcodes] Not sure, but been running that in together for quite a while
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[grantcodes] Yes, the server would need to do something with images inside the content
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[eddie] (just wondering about the likelihood that the service wouldn't go down)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks786]: lazyloading looks great but it's behind a beta flag in chrome right now so
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[grantcodes] If the resizing service goes down it should be easy to either switch to another or move to not using it at all. I just pass photo urls to a function that returns the url from the resizing service
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[eddie] Ahh makes sense. I'll have to look into that, could be useful
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[grantcodes] Here is the issue that could help with at least the photo & featured properties: https://github.com/indieweb/microsub/issues/36
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Loqi [grantcodes] #36 Photo and Video sizes
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[grantcodes] Well it only specifies one size, but it could be expanded to provide multiple sizes
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[schmarty] i'd love to have an image-processing and/or proxying session at summit this year! i firmly believe it is an IndieWeb building block.
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aaronpk +1
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[kevinmarks786] there's a nice one built into classic appengine, I used it on a previous project
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[kevinmarks786] python java and go api only, but you can resize just by changing url https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/standard/python/images/
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GWG How should rel Syndication links display in an RSS feed? I need a good plaintext display
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aaronpk can they not?
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aaronpk i'm always annoyed when they appear at the bottom of ppls posts in my reader right now
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[tantek] What is preload
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "preload" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "preload is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is hydrate?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hydrate" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "hydrate is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is render
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "render" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "render is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Alrighty then imma gonna make some jargon stubs
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[tantek] That y’all who better understand those terms can then improve in terms of how they relate to IndieWeb in particular
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[tantek] preload is [[Category:jargon]].
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] hydrate is [[Category:jargon]].
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] render is [[Category:jargon]].
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Loqi ok
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GWG aaronpk, that is the other option. If it doesn't look good, I'd rather turn it off
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aaronpk I suppose maybe it's okay in the RSS feed, but it's annoying in the microformats feed because there's a proper way to mark them up so that the reader shows the syndication icons outside of the post content
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[kevinmarks786] What if ww put the h-entry markup inside the rss envelope, so that we can use the richer microformats semantics?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/50zNLFXn.jpg
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gRegorLove haha
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gRegorLove Ideally rel-syndication links shouldn't be inside the e-content, but maybe that's a limitation of the WP theming
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aaronpk [kevinmarks786]: lol i have no idea what you mean or what you expect the end result of that to be
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aaronpk at this point I have no reason to believe RSS reader apps have no intention of supporting richer content, and will stick to an article-based display. which means there's no point in trying to innovate and complicate RSS any further
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[calumryan] Looking for an mf2 starter site for Eleventy
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aaronpk what is Eleventy?
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Loqi Eleventy is a JavaScript based static site generator that allows the user to select their own preferred template engine and theme, which in practice can and does enable use of microformats2 https://indieweb.org/Eleventy
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jolvera it's what Max Böck uses for his site
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jolvera https://mxb.dev
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jolvera pretty cool
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[kevinmarks786] I'm remembering feedburner putting richer markup in feeds and wondering if that is a technique we can adopt.
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[tantek] pretty sure we've been advocating hentry inside RSS item / Atom entry for many years
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@sl007 ↩️ Hallo alle, wie machen hier https://www.weboftrust.info/next-event-page.html davor einen ActivityPub workshop. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ – https://github.com/BasixKOR/awesome-activitypub - sagt Bescheid, sonst ist ja alles genannt, ggf. noch die "indieweb" Sachen, wie https://webmention.net/draft/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138885197703856133)
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sebsel how are plans on trying to get some private post fetching working before IWS?
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sebsel I have a feed now :)
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sknebel That part seems more common :D
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sebsel then I got sidetracked in building a reader, which I will continue
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sebsel but, I can also focus on creating an auth mechanism on that feed of mine
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sebsel is reading up on AutoAuth for that now
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sebsel is that a way to go? do people have time to join me?
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sknebel I have test posts for AutoAuth... Could probably add support for it to feeds
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sknebel Don't think I have time to build a fetcher
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sebsel ah, so the problem is not the publishing, but the consuming at this point?
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sebsel at least I was happy with having an actual usecase for a private feed (my checkins)
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sebsel or well, actual usecase. I mean: it's not just test posts
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sebsel we need more readers :)
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[jgmac1106] not sure how to respond to Twitter asking for my username and password to log into my website to see how I am using my Twitter App..
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aaronpk explain that you're the only person who uses the app and send a couple screenshots?
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sknebel Send a link to documentation?
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sknebel (in addition)
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[jgmac1106] okay that may work thanks, they will not reply until you give them all required information
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[jgmac1106] other option is just walk away and say hello micro.blog for good...this is getting really old.....you think they'd have a "whitelist" feature after clearing me twice
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[jgmac1106] but that turly cuts my networks off at the knees, will be my hardest silo quit professionally
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ and since I was designing and teaching #edu407 for the first time I can #empathize on a whole new level and trying to invent and pilot webmention badges on the fly probably ate into some participation time. 4/4 loads are really really freakin hard (twitter.com/_/status/1138894461243731969)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @adrianhon @cstross We have some baseline tech for that https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1138909872727252993)
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[jgmac1106] a little bit better, I love CSS Grid it makes things so much easier: http://jgregorymcverry.com/reflectionsonspringteaching.html
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[jgmac1106] kaja !mf2 http://jgregorymcverry.com/reflectionsonspringteaching.html
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 http://jgregorymcverry.com/reflectionsonspringteaching.html
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Kaja_ https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Freflectionsonspringteaching.html
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GWG Hi, snarfed
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @rrrrrrrix You might like https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1138957388780855296)
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