#dev 2019-07-02
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@jgmac1106 @slsoftworks Do you have any links to your ipfs webmention storage demo? Even it is just a prototype. #Knownchat collective really stoked to see things move in that direction as a private p2p web is a shared vision of many (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2RZDx) (twitter.com/_/status/1146011021192114176)
# @jgmac1106 @slsoftworks Do you have any links to your ipfs webmention storage demo? Even it is just a prototype. #Knownchat collective really stoked to see things move in that direction as a private p2p web is a shared vision of many (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2RZDx) (twitter.com/_/status/1146011021192114176)
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petermolnar GWG namespaces are php 5.3 mininum; is WP ok with PHP 5.3 finally?
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# petermolnar wow
# petermolnar better static methods, namespaces
# petermolnar static methods can be called without creating an instance
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ You should check out with @mapkyca has been doing with Known, maybe possibly start there with webmention IPFS storage: https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2019/03/28/ipfs-plugin-cdn-support/ and https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2019/02/21/ipfs-support-for-known/ small steps but a lot of shared interest between your goals and… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/07/02/slsoftworks-you-should-check-out-with-mapkyca (twitter.com/_/status/1146057603535032320)
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[schmarty] grantcodes++ i would love to know more about this share target for together!
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[grantcodes] Uhh well it's kind of a mystery how it works tbh, I think it is chrome only for now and it needs to be installed as a pwa. But I can definitely share to it on android so it works, but I doubt it currently works on anything apart from android
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@jeannieindigitl I have the Aperture plugin on my site. When trying to login to any MicroSub reader I am receiving errors. The attached is the error readout from Monocle. Does anyone know what any of this means or how I can fix the issue? ... https://jeannie.digital/86/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146064583326461953)
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@adactioLinks Bridgy for Webmentions with Brotli—http://zachleat.com https://www.zachleat.com/web/bridgy-brotli/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146092235164913664)
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[cleverdevil] I meant to find some time experimenting with fixing Together as a PWA on iOS at IWS, but ended up working on other things.
# [cleverdevil] Does anyone here know of good resources for PWAs on iOS? Guidelines, requirements, etc?
# [cleverdevil] It used to mostly work, but now doesn't.
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# [cleverdevil] Hey, I am realllly happy with what I ended up working on, but it definitely wasn't anything that I had actually planned going into the summit!
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[Rose] PWAs are changing on iOS13: https://www.simicart.com/blog/pwa-ios-13-beta/
# [cleverdevil] Oh, interesting.
# [cleverdevil] I don't yet have the betas on any of my devices.
# [cleverdevil] Maybe I'll just wait until I do, and see how Together works as a PWA.
# [cleverdevil] I've definitely got iOS / iPad OS beta FOMO
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# [cleverdevil] I am so excited for Remark!
# [cleverdevil] Are you going to use SwiftUI?
# [cleverdevil] [grantcodes] hmm, I just noticed that in "classic" layout in the latest Together, the "previous | next | close" bar at the bottom of the view obscures the actions (like, repost, etc.).
# [cleverdevil] [tantek] Totally agreed, and its been true for me every single year. Two years ago, Grant and I prototyped Together on a whiteboard, and that became our project. Last year, a conversation in the hallway track with Chris Aldrich inspired me to create Indiepaper on hack day.
# [cleverdevil] This year, it was @GWG's "follow that bird" session that caused me to build out my /following page.
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# [grantcodes] Hmm can you not just scroll to see the actions [cleverdevil]?
# [cleverdevil] Nope.
# [cleverdevil] [tantek] yes.
# [grantcodes] Oh maybe your browser doesn't support position: sticky?
# [cleverdevil] Its possible. It looks like it happens on both iOS Safari and my macOS Safari.
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# [grantcodes] Hmm it says it's supported
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# [cleverdevil] [jgmac1106] but you got it working! I saw the evidence!
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[jgmac1106] end of the day I was like.....oh yeah...I totally wanted to do a session on productivity and make a to-do list easier for me....ended up chasing an extra brace trying subgrid....
# [jgmac1106] its strange going to miss the constraint of matching character count as a creativity tool but also will have more content time for less code at same time
# [jgmac1106] gonna be in my wrap up post on Bracing for the IndieWeb...will use that as the arching metaphor
# [jgmac1106] best was trying to demo on Chrome.......totally forgot that
# [jgmac1106] mJordan is a design expert. Traded her a lesson on subgrid...well watched her learn and used her CodePen for working mf2 in her Gatsby site
# [grantcodes] Hmm [cleverdevil] yeah it does look like it is fixed instead of sticky so doesn't have the needed padding. Kinda weird it doesn't work. Looks good on macos though
# [cleverdevil] It does look quite pretty 🙂
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[tantek] My experience on hack day was quite unique from past hack days. While working on implementing displaying a richer reply context seemed like a "can do in a couple of hours, especially with consulting people for quick questions", I decided to double-check my approach to storing the information (from a flat file perspective) by first checking what others had done/built (and why).
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# [jgmac1106] tantek++ it is a smart idea
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# [schmarty] my project-day ended up coming out of this discussion, and the idea that you should be able to approve whatever you're about to post, including any /link-preview or /reply-context info.
# [schmarty] b/c quill's reply feature showed a preview from XRay, but on submit only sends a in-reply-to as that URL.
# [schmarty] so i made the preview contenteditable and added handling to pack it up as an h-cite in the (JSON) micropub POST.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unlock protocol" yet. Would you like to create it?_x (Or just say "unlock protocol is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] Out of that discussion of where to store your own content (stuff you create), vs stuff of other's you reference, e.g. according to various quarantine levels 1-4 depending on how "bad" it could be / damage it could cause, we refocused on what were the possible problems with reply-context information that might motivate changing that information
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# [tantek] so that led to the analysis that I documented in my post about specific use-cases for changing information in a reply context: https://tantek.com/2019/181/t1/indieweb-reply-contexts-editable
# [tantek] thus from a storage perspective, it starts to look much more like something you create rather than something you retrieved, which means for a reply-context, storing it along with your reply, rather than in a side-structure or side-file. for static storage that uses microformats, that would mean an h-cite for the reply-context, similar to the how to for publishing: https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Markup
# [tantek] looping back to the start, I was (re)considering my approach to storing the [reply-context] information. With just the primary use-case of presenting reply-context information, it made more sense to store it somewhere on the side other than my posts (per the Level 1) analysis above, though other possibilities would be ok.
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# [jgmac1106] where do we capture everyone's project day descriptions on the wiki..or better yet where do we collect the blog posts where people reflect on their project day demos?
# [jgmac1106] guess that is a #meta question sorry
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# [tantek] Adding the use-case of editing the information changed enough about the nature of what is being stored that it now became important to store it along with the posts! This was my original plan "save that reply-context info inside post storage alongside links to POSSE copies" but for insufficient reasons (convenience of implementation) that ignored the challenge of information from other sources, which was why I wanted to question that plan by ta
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# [schmarty] heh, we have been talking recently at adafruit about ways to share data between our sites like the shop (buy stuff) and learn (docs and howtos) and i have been pushing mf2
# [schmarty] this past week the main dev for learn got to looking at it and is not excited about the use of html class attributes 😅
# [schmarty] so i told him there's an alternative, as long as we use a parser that supports it (the use of `property` that we discussed and that somebody integrated at 2018 Berlin)
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# [schmarty] pretty sure that was aaronpk adding it to php-mf2
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gRegorLove Yep, pending PR for php-mf2
# gRegorLove The PR is pending approval, that is.
# [schmarty] (he also lamented that it wasn't a separate chunk like a JSON island, haha)
# [schmarty] i intend to keep pushing mf2, so we'll see how i manage.
# [schmarty] "linked data" is a cursed digram 😂
# [schmarty] tantek: i don't think GWG was referring to RDF so much as storing the extra info outside of the main post
# [tantek] citation for dfn was the "Dictionary" box at the top of https://www.google.com/search?q=shibboleth
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# [schmarty] !tell aaronpk 😱 seeing webmention.io as parked at namecheap
# [schmarty] deeden: it's not just you!
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# [schmarty] lot of webmention senders are about to have their discovery and delivery error handling exercised 😄
# gRegorLove Loqi, renew webmention.io
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[tonz] (I see some domains having been renewed with namechep but not webmention.io in the expenses overview at https://opencollective.com/indieweb/expenses )
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chrisaldrich What is redirect?
# Loqi A redirect is a way to automatically make one page on this wiki load another page https://indieweb.org/redirect
# chrisaldrich What is 301?
# Loqi 301 (301 Moved Permanently) is an HTTP status code returned from a web server to indicate the URL is permanently redirected to another URL https://indieweb.org/301
# chrisaldrich Do we have a more generic web-specific page for redirect? Surely amidst all the CMS changes folks have gone through, there would be more documentation than ^^
# chrisaldrich I just got an email from Pixabay.com asking me to fix a URL on my site to redirect, presumably because they changed their URL design (or CMS)...
# chrisaldrich They actually wrote "Updating to the new URL avoids broken links, which can be a bad user experience and also harmful to your site's relationship with Google."
# chrisaldrich I think the bad user experience is having their staff track down all the sites using old links and asking them to update.
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jeremycherfas I think you’re right.
# [schmarty] lol at "your site's relationship with Google"
# [schmarty] status: "it's complicated"
# chrisaldrich Who's going to do the screenshot and add it to /SPOA ?
# [schmarty] i would feel too snarky doing so
# chrisaldrich This would be the perfect time to have a /not-it_emoji https://indieweb.org/images/1/1b/not-it.png
# [schmarty] => meta
# jgmac1106[m] Wondering if I can build a note stream by filtering dtpublished in combination of u-in-reply-to...
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# [cleverdevil] !tell [eddie] I’ve got some traction with an iOS developer who has an app for sending HealthKit data into Splunk, and he is interested in adding the ability to send to arbitrary web endpoints - https://github.com/ryanwoconnor/HealthKitAppforSplunk/issues/1
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# [cleverdevil] Feel free to chime in on the thread if you have opinions!
# [cleverdevil] I know its a use case you were interested in eventually.
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@sebandeweg I just released a completely rewritten version of Gimme A Token, which hopefully does a better job of explaining the IndieAuth flow as you go.
https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146168770014187520)
# @sebandeweg I just released a completely rewritten version of Gimme A Token, which hopefully does a better job of explaining the IndieAuth flow as you go. #indieweb
https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146168924603654144)
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[aaronpk] sebsel: https://indieweb-endpoints.cc doesn't work for me, is that new?
# jgmac1106[m] Tantek yeah like a tweetstorm but without the branding and a less violent metaphor IMO
# [aaronpk] sebsel: if you want to replace the redirect URL with this one feel free: https://example-app.com/redirect
# [aaronpk] this is what it looks like when successful https://example-app.com/redirect?code=X&state=Y
# jgmac1106[m] At first thinking just for my own sites a I play with Kirby... Just a random thought I wamted to capture. Want something like threaderapp
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sebsel oh, nice. I went for .invalid after an issue by sknebel https://github.com/sebsel/gimme-a-token/issues/3
# jgmac1106[m] But wonder if a Micropub client could be created drop in url, select dt-published range. Parse post for reply, the reply for a reply, etc publish one h-entry with child h-entries
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# jgmac1106[m] This was my example but it was from my website->Twitter - >threaderapp->add h-entry and back to site
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