#dev 2019-07-01

2019-07-01 UTC
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[Jamey_Sharp] btw nice demo [fluffy]! I'm watching the remote stream.
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GWG gRegorLove: They do, but it is problematic.
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GWG For the plain text of the content
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gRegorLove ?
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gRegorLove reply contexts shouldn't be in the e-content, but that's not an mf2 issue
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GWG Its a WordPress issue
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[fluffy] [Jamey_Sharp] thanks!
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GWG [tantek]: If sites have an original of query like KartikPrabhu outlined on the original post discovery page, how should KartikPrabhu tell people about such a thing
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GWG So you don't have to parse as much
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jacky That's something I wanted to address
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GWG jacky, do you have an original of endpoint?
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GWG I do also, by the way
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GWG Not advertised
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jacky I don't
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GWG Would you want such a thing to be available to others or to you?
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GWG I sort of like the don't look just ask
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jacky I rather go with the discovery method that tantek proposed tbh
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jacky Versus exposing an endpoint on my site
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jacky Because it'll be less effort and also would require less definition (new endpoint, new thing to expose, another point of failure built into my site)
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GWG I intend to do it with discovery. I just built it for internal use, so might as well ponder
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KartikPrabhu good question. Is there some use-case for consuming the original-of queries programaticaaly?
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KartikPrabhu also any link to "the discovery method that tantek proposed ... "
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KartikPrabhu jacky GWG ^^
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu: backfeed is a huge use case
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[snarfed] and reply contexts
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: would bridgy use original-of as an endpoint if advertise?
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[snarfed] maybe? if enough people implemented it
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[snarfed] new standard and endpoint are probably overkill. a standalone service could be useful though. (consume feeds, index syndication links, etc)
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KartikPrabhu so this service would essentially act as a reader and keep track of syndication links?
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KartikPrabhu even in that case one would need a way to query the service API
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[snarfed] sure. yes
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KartikPrabhu so a rel="original-of" would work for both cases. I can do it directly on my website, or I can defer to the service
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[snarfed] i haven't followed rel-original-of, but it obviously wouldn't with for POSSEs, which is the biggest use case (backfeed)
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KartikPrabhu I just made up that rel value now :P
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[snarfed] lol
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KartikPrabhu you mean with a POSSE copy you wouldn't know which site to query for the original?
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[snarfed] no, you generally can't inject HTML into silo posts at all
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[snarfed] the biggest problem with per-site endpoints is that many sites wouldn't have them, so code would still have to support the normal OPD algorithm... and then it's arguable easier to still just do that on all sites
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[snarfed] that's the main reason a service would be more helpful: you could use it all the time, for all sites, and skip implementing OPD yourself
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KartikPrabhu hmmm so an original-of endpoint wouldn't replace OPD I suppose
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KartikPrabhu yeah I see
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KartikPrabhu I made my original-of as a hopefully helpful UI (mostly for me to find originals) :P
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[schmarty] oooh, i think i like where i'm at so far with the proof-of-concept for editable reply context link previews in Quill
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[schmarty] all the info in the reply context for this response to tantek's post was available for editing, including the dt-published value https://martymcgui.re/2019/06/30/232547/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Thanks for writing this up! This discussion at Summit reminded me of several Micropub “UX Building Blocks” that would be very neat as reusable components between Micropub clients. Reply context / link preview customizers (like the proof-of-conce... https://res.cloudinary.com/schmarty/image/fetch/w_960,c_fill/https://media.martymcgui.re/c8/35/f6/79/1e10a6afdc4e2e343b0c06f350702653c45e1cf80a2bac1e5cd7fd2f.png
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[schmarty] aaronpk: here's my WIP so far if you want to check it out: https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/compare/master...martymcguire:mm-nested-h-cite?expand=1
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jacky Using rel=canonical (or alternate?) might be better
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jacky Also yeah I'd rather pump this into some external service - more gracious to the upstream resource
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GWG Bridgy already has this data
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GWG Doesn't a Bridgy user page have some information
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[snarfed] http://brid.gy/about#api
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GWG [snarfed]: Exactly
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sknebel !tell aaronpk we have new AutoAuth issues, would love feedback on those / if you have time for a virtual session on AutoAuth e.g. on one of the next few weekends I'd be interested in running one
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske what is autoauth
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Loqi AutoAuth is the working title of an extension to IndieAuth that allows clients to authorize to other servers in the name of their user, without the user being present to confirm each individual authorization flow https://indieweb.org/AutoAuth
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[schmarty] Picking up from main channel - it was at one point proposed that static sites could do a meta http-equiv thing for 410 and other exotic codes but I don't think that caught on
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[schmarty] It seems like newer static site hosts like Netlify are making redirects and other special responses possible with configuration settings/files.
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[grantcodes] Yes, I was going to say that netlify can do that sort of thing
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[grantcodes] But then the site effectively isn't static 🤷‍♀️ you're just using their serverless functions or whatever they are
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[schmarty] "Static site" has become an ambiguous and broad term I think
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petermolnar I think the modern static assumption is I commit to git and it magically works
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@nystudio107 ↩️ So this is using WebMentions & Bridgy; we blatantly stole the idea from @zachleat I tweeted how to do it via Twig here: https://twitter.com/nystudio107/status/1138194821439467520 Also @mxbck did s writeup on how to do it here: https://mxb.dev/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1145671086215979008)
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@swyx ↩️ @nystudio107 @simonswiss @P_Harrington83 @zachleat @mxbck ah WebMentions & Bridgy for tweet mentions! really cool! (twitter.com/_/status/1145672446399438848)
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@kmelve ↩️ …and here's mine about how to do it with @gatsbyjs and @Netlify https://www.knutmelvaer.no/blog/2019/06/getting-started-with-webmentions-in-gatsby/ (also blatantly stolen, like all great art) (twitter.com/_/status/1145677470160556034)
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[jgmac1106] One of the things I struggled with yesterday playing with CSS subgrid was html sectioning tags and CSS... No matter what I did .card header {} would not style differently then header {} went back to div soup with logical selector names
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] & [jgmac1106] I do like the idea of p-summary as a header effect, my one issue is with u-featured then being a background img in CSS...often my images just as much content as words...
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[jgmac1106] As a learning strategy trying to only use stuff I fully understand, build up to cool rather than just copying and ending up looking like fool
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jeremycherfas I haven't looked in as much detail. But you could surely use the same image in two different ways. Like the way WP may use featured as a thumbnail in, say, archives.
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[jgmac1106] that is an interesting idea...and as I move to Kirby it will be automated...that will help...manual till it hurts only goes so far
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jeremycherfas Absolutely agreed; my strategy too, mostly. But not harm looking at how the effect is achieved and trying fully to understand it before applying yourself.
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[tantek] what is LAMP
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Loqi LAMP is a acronym for Linux Apache MySQL (or MongoDB) and one or more of Perl PHP and/or Python https://indieweb.org/lamp
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[tantek] LAMP << [[Category:jargon]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Category:jargon]]" to the "See Also" section of /LAMP https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63125&oldid=13572
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[jgmac1106] here are old vocab cards I use to make for students: https://vocabcards.glitch.me/ need to update these to Grid....though I find my animation hacks don't work as well sometime
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[tantek] what is a DB
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Loqi A database is software and or storage accessed via the software for storing data in a structured way, used by some indieweb projects https://indieweb.org/DB
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[jgmac1106] those were fun would send out an SMS messae with 3-5 new words every Monday
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[jgmac1106] I do like [schmarty] photo post overlays, uses figcaption and hover...the example made me think of using opacity and hover for the p-summary of an article
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ and then @slsfotworks demoed how he was able to store webmentions on IPFS, combine this with #knownchats growing IPFS support and we can help retake control of edtech before the exploitation can contiunes to spread across the globe. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1d4rlA) (twitter.com/_/status/1145717470843609089)
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[grantcodes] Got an experimental share target into together now
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[grantcodes] Pretty handy 🙂 Think that was probably the last thing I used in indigenous, but can probably go pwa only now
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@johanbove Wondering if my outgoing webmentions are coming through. Seems like Likes of post by Jacky Alciné on his site https://v2.jacky.wtf/ and my "like" post responses on Greg's site (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/) are not coming through. Wondering if it could be… https://social.johanbove.info/2019/07/02/wondering-if-my-outgoing-webmentions-are-coming (twitter.com/_/status/1145819862113103872)
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@fluffy ↩️ I’m hoping that the current push toward AutoAuth and trying to use it as a basis for private webmentions and the obvious next steps of private feeds and private WebSub will change that. I do worry that IndieAuth/AutoAuth are kind of hard to do in piecemeal ways though. (twitter.com/_/status/1145842075054891008)