#dev 2019-06-30
2019-06-30 UTC
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@carlcolglazier My website now supports #webmentions. #indieweb https://carlcolglazier.com/notes/support-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1145129139856392192)
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[michellejl] !mf2 https://mjordan.codes/blog/2018-year-in-review/
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chrisaldrich It's finally happened! After more than a decade of posting to my site, and a lot more posting in the last 5 years, I've exceeded the 1024mb alloted by my host for my mySQL database!
# chrisaldrich Now I've got to find out if I can increase the size or how one handles this issue. Anyone else ever done this?
# chrisaldrich It's a shared server on 1&1 @pfefferle 's home....
# chrisaldrich Sounds like they have a 1024mb max for shared hosting and I'll need to get and manage my own hosting to get it working...
# chrisaldrich admin tax I don't really want to support....
# chrisaldrich The worst part is that I can't even log into the site at the moment to clean out my spam folder to get under the limit.
# chrisaldrich GWG, If I manually delete spam out of the comment portion of the db, does it also remove the related comment meta?
# chrisaldrich I'd use a plugin if I could log into the site and install one, sadly....
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# chrisaldrich Actually a quick test indicates that if I manually use phpmyadmin to delete a comment, it doesn't automatically take the associated comment meta with it
# chrisaldrich I don't mind money, but wish I had a better indicator that I was coming up against this issue.
# chrisaldrich Sadly they're unable to do that...
# chrisaldrich If they could I think they could then give a permanent raise.
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# [infominer] I'm so happy I figured out twitter cards for hugo.. and understand site vs page variables a bit better
# [infominer] I'm also learning bootstrap for a different site
# [infominer] the newb joy is strong w me, when overcoming even the smallest obstacles 🙂
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# [infominer] yes, or in my case, like 10 of them 🤣
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[jgmac1106] Ouch Chris. Pick a provider with no or bigger limits... I keep teetering on a paid upgrade as I am about to surpass 10 gigs
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jeremycherfas What is e-content
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "e-content" yet. Would you like to create it?_n (Or just say "e-content is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# jeremycherfas Nvm
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# [jgmac1106] Jordan checked out a few of your posts. Loon kike we got you all proper. Should add yourself to the Gatsby page
# jeremycherfas Can p-summary be nested in e-content?
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# jeremycherfas Cool. Thanks. Likewise, I expect h-review can be nested in h-entry?
# jeremycherfas I'll take a look.
# [jgmac1106] I could see you doing a collection of reviews nested in an h-entry.. Is there anyone consuming h-reviews beyond readers?
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# [jgmac1106] I meant the collection woukd be the nest as in "my five best books of 2019" as an h-entry and then five h-reviews
# jeremycherfas Yeah, me netiher. If it were a collection I'd be tempted to make it h-feed, if anything.
# jeremycherfas In any case, I have given up trying to scratch a particular itch, because I reckon a higher priority is to update my theme to be based on the newish Grav default theme. Once it is looking right, locally, I can make sure mf2 is OK too.
# [jgmac1106] I woukd say h-feed IF you plan on adding more reviews but if the postvis a collection of reviews then they would be nested in an h-entry
# jeremycherfas Yup. I misunderstood what you were meaning.
# [jgmac1106] I do serialized content that way... Notvthat any consumer does anything with it
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# [jgmac1106] But awesome if you update newest Grav theme!!
# jeremycherfas It will be complex, as my current child theme is already heavily customised. So I plan to copy Quark locally and work on it from time to time until I am happy enough to go live.
# jeremycherfas I also saw someone in the Grav forum mention something called October CMS which seems very similar in principle. But it uses a database.
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# jeremycherfas Right. And because I don't know enough about the benefits that Laravel confers, I can't say why it would be worth switching.
# jeremycherfas In other news, just looking at the twig templates, there is already a fair bit of mf2 in the Quark theme.
# jeremycherfas The partials are definitely a lot more numerous than in Antimatter, but each is simpler, so I'm thinking it could well be simpler to customise.
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[fluffy] Anyone here ever work with signed URLs, ideally specifically with Flask? I want to use them to implement my magic sign-on links but I’m having trouble finding a good implementation and I’d rather not have to do it myself because I’m not sure I can do it correctly. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56825446/signing-and-validating-urls-with-flask
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# [Jamey_Sharp] [fluffy] Looking at the `ska` docs: 1) I'm concerned that they describe what they're doing as "encryption" when there does not appear to be any encryption involved, only signing; 2) Can you use `signature_to_dict` instead of `sign_url` to get what you want?
# [Jamey_Sharp] Considering hmac and the appropriate hashes are in the Python standard library I'm not sure you really need an additional package anyway...
# [Jamey_Sharp] https://docs.python.org/3/library/hmac.html
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@jackjamieson I’m having a great time at @IndieWebSummit. Today is hack day. Not sure exactly what I’ll work on but I’m thinking of adding the option to generate follow posts from Yarns Microsub Server. When you follow a feed, Yarns could automatically create a follow… https://jackjamieson.net/?p=14256 (twitter.com/_/status/1145351585515692032)
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# [Jamey_Sharp] I may not be understanding what you're trying to do. Do you want to allow arbitrary URLs in your site to optionally have an authorization token attached to them, and the problem is that the base URL might already have a query string?
# [fluffy] like for a login callback (for an emailed magic link), http://example.com/login/user@example.com/12345678?s=HMAC_GOES_HERE is straightforward-ish (12345678 being the expiration timestamp)
# [Jamey_Sharp] There's a lot you can do with the combination of `parse_qsl` and `urlencode` from `urllib.parse`, if that helps...?
# [Jamey_Sharp] The code I've used (on the Outreachy web site) for email-activation account registration is Django-specific but I'll throw the link here anyway in case it's helpful: https://github.com/ubernostrum/django-registration/blob/3.0.1/src/django_registration/backends/activation/views.py
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# [Jamey_Sharp] That project also has a security guide you might find helpful: https://django-registration.readthedocs.io/en/3.0.1/security.html
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# [Jamey_Sharp] I guess the Django signing API is important too if you want to understand the django-registration implementation: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.2/topics/signing/
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gRegorLove Zegnat, mblaney and I were talking last night about possibly doing some AutoAuth stuff today. Minimal like the www-authenticate and maybe token request
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[schmarty] [aaronpk] possible improvement for your site today, seeing some odd CSS on this colorful-background post: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/29/13/
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# @jackjamieson Quickly testing if I can send a manual webmention to https://wpdev2.gwg.us/2019/03/30/hello-world/ (twitter.com/_/status/1145380395984146433)
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# Loqi Discovery is a variety of methods for finding content, websites, communities, or people to follow on the web including search, directories, recommendation engines, tags, or other serendipitous methods https://indieweb.org/discovery
# Loqi friending (AKA add friend or the verb to friend) is a general term applied to the various silo user interactions with sites regarding reciprocal friendship https://indieweb.org/friend
# Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
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# [kitt] thanks, [tantek]! 🙂
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jmac [snarfed]: My site does forward HTTP->HTTPS, and I think the failure isn't happening on verification... it's because my blog software sees the WM targeting something in http://fogknife.com in its inbox, and it says "I only care about https://fogknife.com, I have no idea what this garbage is" and doesn't even get as far as verification
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# [Dave_Peck] Do any microformats parsers support the `hAudio` format proposal (http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio)? I tried both `php.microformats.io` and also `mf2py` but they don’t _seem_ to support it (and/or my markup is no good).
# [Dave_Peck] [snarfed] Thanks. I don’t see much detail about `u-audio` on the microformats wiki besides a mention in a “brainstorming” section.
# [Dave_Peck] Even just an example would be nice to see.
# [Dave_Peck] (As for mf1 vs mf2: ah, good to know. I’m new to microformats; _now_ I know how to distinguish between them, but it might be nice if the wiki explicitly called this out.)
# [Dave_Peck] ah, perfect. thanks!
# [snarfed] corresponding u-video issue: https://github.com/microformats/h-entry/issues/5
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[cleverdevil] Following page auto-generated from Aperture in real-time 😄
# [cleverdevil] (Still needs a lot of work, be gentle.)
# [cleverdevil] [snarfed] wondering if Granary can convert this into an OPML or something?
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[grantcodes] That's cool [cleverdevil] do you do anything special for feeds that might be protected? eg. granary that has your token
# [cleverdevil] Yes, I have a blacklist of channels that I don't want exposed.
# [cleverdevil] Talked to [aaronpk] about how this might be captured in microsub, but I think its a pretty one-off use casae.
# [grantcodes] Yeah, don't think it should be in the spec. Could probably be built into aperture though
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, agreed.
# [grantcodes] Well I've just implemented subscription payments on my site. 🤑
# [cleverdevil] [grantcodes]++
# [cleverdevil] That's awesome.
# [grantcodes] My favourite thing about the payments is it all just works via URLs eg pay.grant.codes/$5/montly
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# [grantcodes] Yeah it's stripe, but not on test mode :P
# [grantcodes] Oh and I misspelled monthly oops
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@cleverdevil ↩️ You are missed, but you are where you need to be! We had a very encouraging meeting with the Known Open Collective this AM – https://etherpad.indieweb.org/Known_Collective – I'm working on a Known plugin for my project today that generates a "following" page via Microsub – https://cleverdevil.io/following (twitter.com/_/status/1145420576598609920)
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# [Jamey_Sharp] Makes sense!
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# [grantcodes] Just missed an h in the url https://pay.grant.codes/$5/monthly
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@johanbove Installed the #Known Akismet Spam filter by @mapkyca - https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/known-plugins/
- looking at preemptively mitigate spam through webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1145437644199006208)
# [grantcodes] I suggest turning on js for the beauty of the background
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# [cleverdevil] Boom!
# [cleverdevil] Mostly done 🙂
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[tantek] per the use-case for editing reply-contexts discussed in the main channel: https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-30#t1561928909084100 I believe this has impacts on where a CMS should store a (potentially / likely edited) reply-context, which then has likely has impact on Micropub Client-server interactions
# Loqi [[tantek]] I have a very good discussion with [schmarty] about the desire to *edit* the /reply-context (e.g. /link-preview) of a /reply post before publishing it to one's site.
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# [grantcodes] In micropub world I would send that as a reference, although I can't remember if that is valid mf2 or not
# [grantcodes] well I know in jf2 at least there is a references object which has the url as a key and the value is a nested jf2 entry
# [grantcodes] But I'm not sure how I feel about "editing" link previews. I feel on silos they are sort of a source of truth especially because they cannot be edited. I wouldn't want someone to be able to change the title or anything misleading. But I suppose that isn't so much of a thing on the indieweb
# [grantcodes] Oh so I realized the references thing jf2 vs mf2 => mf2 used nested entries all properties, and jf2 moves them to a refs object. So if you were sending a preview of a like you could send a nested h-entry in the like-of property couldn't you?
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# [grantcodes] Yeah 🙂 so a micropub client could edit and send that, but the server would need to handle it of course
# [grantcodes] Yeah that's what I mean by handle
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# [Dave_Peck] Anyone used indiekit before to support micropub (on a jekyll repo)? https://paulrobertlloyd.github.io/indiekit/ — curious if it works for you, and how you configure it
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# [Michael_Beckwit [chrisaldrich] i would say it’s a worthy blog post but it sounds like you can’t access the site again yet 😛
# [tantek] alright, documented reply-context editing use-cases https://tantek.com/2019/181/t1/indieweb-reply-contexts-editable
# [tantek] and now to post them to the wiki for /reply-context#Brainstorming
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# [fluffy] [snarfed] My intention with Authl is to make an arbitrarily-pluggable authentication layer so that it’s not wedded to any particular protocol. I intend to eventually add self-managed OAuth for Facebook/Twitter/etc., and also support more arbitrary flows. The demo didn’t show a bunch of the stuff that goes on in the backend 🙂