#indieweb 2019-06-30

2019-06-30 UTC
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Zegnat IWC Åmål is logging off and getting ready for bed as well
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Zegnat I might just spent some time tomorrow on the user-story part of AutoAuth. Seems neccessary at this point.
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[anomalily] https://www.thunderforest.com/maps/spinal-map/
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[anomalily] http://maps.stamen.com/watercolor/#2/37.8/-122.4
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chrisaldrich because /fun https://i1.wp.com/boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Oprah-Webmention.jpg?w=620&ssl=1
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[anomalily] https://thesetupwizard.tumblr.com/tagged/setupwizard/chrono
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patterson Jordan was the best
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patterson I would pay for a bullet proof online persona
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Plaidophile: IndieWeb Summit 2019, day 1" http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3785-IndieWeb-Summit-2019-day-1 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/06/29/21/)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/c98ec31f-1d58-48a5-a09f-824d1a763234
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jacky hmm I should make that a bookmark next time?
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[gRegorLove] Looks like aaronpk shared it there already
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[gRegorLove] Yeah, bookmark post
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[frank] Good morning Indieweb
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jacky Noted
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[Chris_Ede] Hey all… n00b 101 question… how do I get started? *hides behind riot shield*
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[Chris_Ede] I’ve got a domain & some hosting which uses cpanel, so I can easily spin up a Wordpress blog, but it’s usually overkill for what I want. Found micro.blog, is it good? Is there anything better I should use instead?
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sebsel [Chris_Ede]: welcome! It all depends on what you want! But getting a domain name is a good start :)
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sebsel oh nice! so then there is only: what do you want?
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[Chris_Ede] I don’t know! lol
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chrisaldrich micro.blog is a good inexpensive managed solution if you don't want to have to manage something yourself, but it also means you can't do as much tinkering.
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sebsel I heard a lot of good stories about micro.blog, so yes, I would say it is good.
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[Chris_Ede] I’m not looking for the full blogging experience, just somewhere to throw random bits of life into the void, should someone want to look me up
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[Chris_Ede] as in, I don’t mind if there’s commenting etc but it’s not what I’ve got in mind. Don’t care if it shares to other platforms, etc.
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sebsel Micro.blog actually also gives you the commenting and some discovery and a place for you to read stuff. In that regard it’s more a platform too, and it sounds like it has more than you need, but still: you can use it as such.
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sebsel If you’re a bit more technical there are options with static site generators, hosted on platforms like Netlify, but personally I feel like there is admin tax involved there too, but at the time of writing posts
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[Chris_Ede] Yeah I’m cool with that. Just meant to infer that I have no grand plans to make a living from it, haha
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sebsel Wordpress is a solid option too. It works and you can build from there :)
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sebsel ah yes!
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[Chris_Ede] Yeah I’ve tinkered with Wordpress, but it’s a bit beyond me tbh. Great for the stability etc, but if I screw something up I generally just wipe it and start over. haha
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sebsel you can just give micro.blog a try! would mean to give up your cpanel-based hosting, for Micro.blog provides hosting for you (you pay for that there), but it’s sad to be easy to get your data out again if you want something else after all
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chrisaldrich If that's the case, then m.b. may be a good option....
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sebsel sad => said*
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chrisaldrich What is micro.blog?
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Loqi Micro.blog is a website and social service started by Manton Reece, which natively supports IndieWeb building-blocks like microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog
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[Chris_Ede] I like the idea of a static site generator, too. Also easy to break, but easy to retrieve content for backup etc.
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[Chris_Ede] ah screw it, probably about time I took a chance at actually learning how to get Wordpress going how I want it to
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chrisaldrich There are a bunch of us here using it and even a #WordPress channel if you have questions.
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Zegnat I think there will also be a whole WordPress workshop today in Portland? Not sure if they were planning on streaming that one.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[Chris_Ede] thanks, I’ll reach out over there if I run into any problems
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[Micah_Silverman neat - got indieauth setup
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[jeremycherfas] Welcome [Chris_Ede] I know I’m late to the party, but if you do go for WP make sure you start with a good Indieweb theme, like Autonomie, and try to note pain points so the wiki on boarding can be improved.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Blog Redesign - Part 2" https://vincentp.me/articles/2019/06/30/22-00/
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[jgmac1106] Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Yes there will be a WP session. We will make sure it is in a remote room
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[kevinmarks786] [Chris_Ede] you foothold also look at known - that's built for a cpanel type environment
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[kevinmarks786] s/foothold/could/
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Zegnat Mini IWC in Åmål is off to day two with hackday :D
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jgmac1106[m] Good luck Åmål I am up and hacking away at webmentions to my Kirby expirment.
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[tonz] [Zegnat] have fun today in Åmål. I have got the code of my Twitter radar I mentioned yday, and posted it at https://github.com/tonzyl/twitterradar
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sknebel tonz++
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Loqi tonz has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (26 in all channels)
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Zegnat [tonz]++ Amazing!
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Loqi [tonz] has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (27 in all channels)
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[snarfed] morning summitters! if you're looking for a hack day project today, try adding backfeed for a new silo without any code! https://snarfed.org/backfeed-without-code
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[jeanmacdonald] Good morning everyone!
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[jeanmacdonald] (I realize when I signed up for this Slack, I didn't use @macgenie as my handle. I should probably change that.)
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jacky yo so
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jacky if I'm adding a session link, what does that look like?
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jacky I just added a red-link to some session pages
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jacky sees that someone else has edited
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Zegnat It has to be the same as the URL behind IndieWeb.org/
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jacky :thinking_face:
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[jeanmacdonald] Is there a list of rooms today? I’m looking at Twitch but nothing happening yet?
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[aaronpk] No twitch til demos today
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[aaronpk] Remote sessions on Zoom
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[jeanmacdonald] Will there be links?
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aaronpk just added to https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule#Sunday
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aaronpk same zoom rooms as yesterday
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[cleverdevil] waves at [jeanmacdonald]
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[jeanmacdonald] Thanks! (I wasn’t there yesterday afternoon, being 9 hours ahead of you folks!)
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donpdonp can someone come to the frontdoor
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[jeanmacdonald] 👋 [cleverdevil]
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[anomalily] Did you get in yet @donpdonp?
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[anomalily] I see you!
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[jeanmacdonald] Any tips for getting audio on zoom? My Zoom app says Audio is connected but I don’t hear anything. I’m in IndieWeb 101 and see gRegor's presentation.
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[jeanmacdonald] iOS iPad
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[Rose] Which platform are you on?
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[jeanmacdonald] Tried on the Mac, and used the Zoom testing option for speaker/microphone, which worked. But still no audio. _sigh_
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[Vanessa] Same here, Jean. I can never get Zoom to work 😞
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[jeanmacdonald] It works for IndieWebifying your site in David Shanske's room, but it definitely mute in Indie Web 101 with [gRegorLove].
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[jeanmacdonald] I would like to ask [gRegorLove] if there is a chance he has the audio muted, but I don't see an option for that in this Zoom meeting--no chat available? If someone figures it out, please let me know. I really wanted to be in this room! Going over to David's room for now...
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[cleverdevil] I'll go in to that room now [jeanmacdonald] to help troubleshoot
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[jeanmacdonald] Thanks!
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[cleverdevil] Mischief managed.
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[cleverdevil] Let's see if they can fix it 🙂
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[anomalily] Any one have good recs of pretty geo personal data/check ins on someone's website?
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[jeanmacdonald] Thank you! It works now. cc: [Vanessa]
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[Vanessa] Thanks! [jeanmacdonald] have now joined.
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[cleverdevil] [anomalily] I am doing check-ins and also attach current location to every post automatically.
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/2019/checked-into-mozilla-portland-4
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[cleverdevil] Sample post with location attached: https://cleverdevil.io/2019/indieweb-summit-pre-party
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Maxwell hnnnnngh! I keep uploading my stuff to S3 but my changes aren't appearing even when I clear browser cache
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Maxwell time to rotate around my central axis until I reach 1,000,000 RPM
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jmac My changing my website's URL from http:// to https:// a few weeks ago means that I can't make a new webmention out of an older page that links to my site, right?
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jmac It's not a big deal, but I do say "aw, rats" when I find a new-to-me link to a Fogknife article via http://, and my extremely proper webmention receiver refuses to recognize that URL
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[snarfed] jmac: does your site redirect http to https? if so verification should allow that. https://webmention.net/draft/#webmention-verification
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[snarfed] well, implicitly. the rules on whether a link matches are somewhat loose, i think intentionally. from that link:
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[snarfed] "The receiver SHOULD use per-media-type rules to determine whether the source document mentions the target URL. For example, in an [ HTML5] document, the receiver should look for <a href="*">, <img src="*">, <video src="*"> and other similar links."
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[snarfed] (guess we should now => #dev)
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[tantek] yes and thank you! 🙂
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jmac Back on topic, then, I loved the Summit keynotes this year. What an interesting mix! And the Twitch stream worked out very well.
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donpdonp https://indieweb.org/2019/Photos
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donpdonp https://indieweb.org/2019/Project_Goals
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tannik What micropub implementations do you all use?
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tannik Is there a github project I can look at?
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[snarfed] tannik: server side is usually tightly integrated with your CMS/site, so people don't usually use standalone servers
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tannik ahhh
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jacky tannik: there's some people who use GitHub and a proxy to handle Micropub actions!
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jacky what is Micropub#Clients
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Loqi jacky: that's a lot of dev jargon! can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi Micropub clients are sites and client applications that publish to servers via Micropub https://indieweb.org/micropub-clients
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jacky excuse me Loqi
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jacky tannik: wanna take this to #-dev?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rendering Webmentions using Client Side JavaScript" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/06/30/client-side-webmentions/
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[tantek] Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (55 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is alt
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Loqi alt is a required attribute of the <img> element and should be provided in any use of images on indieweb pages from photo posts to featured and other images in articles https://indieweb.org/alt
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[tantek] alt << Suggestion for how to write alt text: how would you describe the photo to someone on the phone (who already knows about the context of the earlier material on the page) ?
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Loqi ok, I added "Suggestion for how to write alt text: how would you describe the photo to someone on the phone (who already knows about the context of the earlier material on the page) ?" to the "See Also" section of /alt https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63084&oldid=61966
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[tantek] [Andi] ^^^ done 🙂
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[tantek] I have a very good discussion with [schmarty] about the desire to *edit* the /reply-context (e.g. /link-preview) of a /reply post before publishing it to one's site.
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[tantek] Like editing down the content of the original post that is displayed, e.g. ellipsing it, perhaps even pruning the start of it, editing the name of the author (which if it came from Twitter may be their name plus a bunch of random current event related stuff, or pronouns etc.), perhaps even editing (or removing!) the author icon, for whatever reason
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[tantek] The desire to edit the /reply-context in a reply posting UI leads to interesting storage implications for what such a UI has to do under the covers, since by virtue of being editable, assuming you (the user) do edit it, that edited version must be saved similar to anything else you would write or edit
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[tantek] it trying really hard not to trip Loqi
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[tantek] Implementation details on those implications are better discussed in the # dev channel
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Zegnat I feel like Facebook used to allow you to do just that, change the description they show in the link card when you shared a link.
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[eddie] Yep, you could change the description and the image associated with a shared link
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[eddie] That’s all gone now, obviously
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[tantek] Gone when? And why obviously?
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[aaronpk] it was removed as part of the whole fake news crackdown
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[aaronpk] because of course it was being abused
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Zegnat Yep. The card will now only ever show the meta data that is part of the page. So you can’t link to pages about one thing and make it look like it is about something else.
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Zegnat (Of course the page it self could still lie, but that is a different issue.)
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[tantek] The pages themselves *are* edited over time
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[tantek] E.g. https://twitter.com/nyt_diff
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[eddie] tantek: yep, what aaronpk said about the fake news and abuse
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[tantek] and per Jacky: https://twitter.com/jackyalcine/status/1145214524007616512
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@jackyalcine Do y’all understand how easy it is to make a fake tweet from a screenshot? Like by inspecting the browser and changing the text? It’s like MySpace-day levels of “simple”. I don’t trust posts I can’t search up on archives. And if you do have a link… https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/1dd1f023-a54e-4d6e-bb36-1f716a3836a1 (twitter.com/_/status/1145214524007616512)
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Nuggit_ @jmac this is how I got around `composer install` refusing to install because of php version. Feels wrong, but composer really thought I didn't have the right version of php and I did, so fooling it using this config bit was what I had to do and it worked, so...! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26165101/skip-composer-php-requirement
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Nuggit_ ^ being our struggle getting Known going on my site
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[Michael_Beckwit i wonder if your local computer has the wrong version but the intended destination would be just fine
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gRegorLove Cheryl Crowe moved from Known to WordPress
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gRegorLove (first demo)
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gRegorLove up next: Jacky jacky.wtf
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gRegorLove ... one thing that is difficult has been writing so he spent some time writing today
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gRegorLove ... cert propagation issues!
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gRegorLove ... jacky will be back
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gRegorLove up next: cleverdevil.io
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gRegorLove ... did the thing he said he was going to do, which never happens (his words)
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gRegorLove ... his subscribe page is nicer. mf2, jsonfeed, etc.
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gRegorLove ... has a following page to see what feeds he's following
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gRegorLove ... calls out to microsub server (Aperture)
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Loqi hey gRegorLove, can you move this conversation to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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gRegorLove ... realtime view of channels and feeds from Aperture
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gRegorLove (no, Loqi!)
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gRegorLove ... h-feed with h-entry with follow-of properties
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gRegorLove up next: tbrown
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gRegorLove ... added support for /Dat
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gRegorLove ... if Netlify happens to to down, someone with /Beaker can still see his site
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gRegorLove jacky is back up
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gRegorLove ... documenting how/why his site works
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gRegorLove ... with links out to wiki pages
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dougbeal|mb1 gRegorLove and mblaney are up
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dougbeal|mb1 ... with work on AutoAuth and private posts
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[snarfed] [jared078] cool! you may now be interested in https://brid.gy/about#appspot
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dougbeal|mb1 ... gRegorLove has a private post, and mblaney has a script that grabs the token from it
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gRegorLove up next: anomalily.net
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gRegorLove ... and anomalily.world
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gRegorLove ... data points are clustered instead of showing every checkin
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gRegorLove ... shows how many checkins are in each cluster
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gRegorLove ... changed map tiles as well, watercolor design
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gRegorLove ... individual checkin has photo and map
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m lost on what’s being discussed…looks almost like some sort of migration log 😛
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gRegorLove up next: tomas
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gRegorLove ... got inspired by anomalily, set up http://adventuring.world/
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gRegorLove up next: David
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gRegorLove ... got a WordPress theme working
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gRegorLove ... GWG's fork of WP 2016 theme
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gRegorLove ... homepage is not wordpress blog, hacked some stuff together to get it to work
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gRegorLove ... htaccess to get www and non-www, https and non-https so it all redirects to https and canonical
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gRegorLove ... tested /Quill to post from Android
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gRegorLove ... tested /Webmention support
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gRegorLove ... added syndication links and tested that
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gRegorLove ... all working pretty much how he wanted it to, and he feels comfortable with it
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gRegorLove up next: jgmac1106
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gRegorLove ... has been playing with /Kirby
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gRegorLove ... using CSS Grid
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gRegorLove ... logs into admin area, makes a new blog post
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gRegorLove ... publishes it, it is saved as a text file, cards on homepage are the same width
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gRegorLove up next: Christopher Thomson
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gRegorLove ... got his personal site up today!
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gRegorLove ... http://oregonman.org/
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gRegorLove ... set up a Portfolio section
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gRegorLove up next: Nagisa
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gRegorLove ... set up Known hooked to Instagram (URL?)
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gRegorLove up next: Ariana
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[cleverdevil] ... nuggit.nu
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gRegorLove ... this morning had nothing and today learned some HTML
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gRegorLove ... it's on Glitch, hasn't launched it yet.
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gRegorLove ... set up several pages, links work. Not much content but looks nice
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gRegorLove up next: fluffy beesbuzz.biz
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gRegorLove ... working on authentication library for python that wraps other authentication mechanisms
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gRegorLove ... wanted to make it so you can log in by email or twitter without /relmeauth
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gRegorLove ... demonstrates entering email, gets a magic link; also IndieAuth
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gRegorLove up next: martymcguire
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[snarfed] [fluffy] you may be interested in https://oauth-dropins.appspot.com/ !
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gRegorLove ... came in with a lot of ideas, did other things instead
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gRegorLove ... conversation with Tantek about /reply-context
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gRegorLove ... "why don't we have clients that show us things we're about to put on our sites?"
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[snarfed] (app engine specific, but maybe still useful as prior art or to borrow code)
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gRegorLove ... made a little fork of Quill, "Definitely Not Quill"
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[fluffy] [snarfed] Yeah I think you pointed me at that earlier 🙂
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gRegorLove ... the in-reply-to preview is editable
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gRegorLove ... micropub request is full object, citation, url, content
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gRegorLove ... crashes his site, but it kind of works
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gRegorLove ... still have full control over the /reply-context that gets posted on your site
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gRegorLove ... good experiment, will discuss with aaronpk if it should be a PR to Actually Quill
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gRegorLove up next: Johannes
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gRegorLove ... build some command lines for simple deployment
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gRegorLove ... Known, WordPress, nextcloud
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gRegorLove ... includes vanilla WP, WP with IndieWeb Plugins
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gRegorLove ... demonstrates command line Known
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gRegorLove ... demonstrates "undeploy" to switch to nextcloud
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gRegorLove ... with /LetsEncrypt
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gRegorLove ... deployment config file is JSON
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gRegorLove ... he's deploying on Amazon EC2
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gRegorLove up next: Micah Silverman
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gRegorLove ... set out to learn about /Indieauth
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gRegorLove ... and write an integration for use with Okta
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gRegorLove ... showing his mobile phone on the screen as well
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gRegorLove ... rel link on his site is pointing to a Heroku app; app is on github and has details
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KartikPrabhu [Michael_Beckwit these are live notes from demos at IWC
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gRegorLove ... written in Java but you don't have to worry about it, Heroku makes it easy to deploy
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gRegorLove ... opens incognito window, goes to indielogin.com, puts in his domain https://afitnerd.com