#dev 2019-07-04

2019-07-04 UTC
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Been fooling around with a concept of webmention badges. Its credentialing from my own domain. My credibility, my url, is my name. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/o2M9n) (twitter.com/_/status/1146602367447707648)
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@brianwisti ↩️ @JmacDotOrg Mind you I'll still get to WebMentions etc but POSSE seemed like the best next step for my notes. (twitter.com/_/status/1146643071456538625)
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@foobartel It seems that until now, https://brid.gy only wants to deliver Twitter mentions, but no Likes. Not sure where to start investigating atm, but shouldn’t be too hard to fix. (twitter.com/_/status/1146683325727137792)
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jamietanna[m] Webmention question - is it OK to re-send a WM to somewhere that has already received the WM, or should we be attempting to only send them once?
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[grantcodes] It generally should be fine. And even recommended if you update your post
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[grantcodes] What is salmention?
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Loqi Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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jamietanna[m] Cool. Just looking at how I do my webmention sending post static site deploy
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jamietanna[m] Don't want to spam the other server with requests that may not be best practice
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[grantcodes] Hmm I don't do it myself but I am sure there are a few options for static sites
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petermolnar_ jamietanna[m]: I do the same, static site, sending webmentions post-deploy. To avoid unnecessary sends, I keep an outgoing .ping file next to the entry source .md and only re-send it if the mtime of the .md file is > mtime of the .ping file
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jamietanna[m] petermolnar_ interesting, good to know!
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[grantcodes] !tell schmarty I was just working on some micropub client stuff and realised it will be pretty close to what you described at https://martymcgui.re/2019/06/30/232547/ I'm starting lower level though, with a set of react components that automatically build out mf2 properties. But could be extended to include the sort of interfaces you mentioned
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Thanks for writing this up! This discussion at Summit reminded me of several Micropub “UX Building Blocks” that would be very neat as reusable components between Micropub clients. Reply context / link preview customizers (like the proof-of-conce... https://res.cloudinary.com/schmarty/image/fetch/w_960,c_fill/https://media.martymcgui.re/c8/35/f6/79/1e10a6afdc4e2e343b0c06f350702653c45e1cf80a2bac1e5cd7fd2f.png
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[fluffy] Jamietanna and [grantcodes] , if you want to drive webmention updates from an rss or atom feed you can use my tool /Pushl
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[fluffy] Er https://indieweb.org/Pushl
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[fluffy] You can set it up a git hook that runs pushl on your feed and it’ll automatically update webmentions for changed entries.
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jamietanna[m] Interesting thanks! I may look at writing something myself so it's all self contained in my new post-deployment tooling, but I'll likely steal ideas from you!
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omz13 When using micropub.rocks, is there a way to reauthorize my server test's endpoint? (Silly me, I accidentally reset the token database on my server)
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jacky does anyone have a solid example of salmention on their site?
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jacky what is salmention
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Loqi Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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@qubyte New blog post published! https://qubyte.codes/blog/updating-webmention-dispatch tweet by https://tweet-new-blog-posts.glitch.me/ #AboutThisBlog #glitch #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1146842717986705413)
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[tantek] what is Webmention CRUD?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Webmention CRUD" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Webmention CRUD is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm
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[tantek] Webmention CRUD is /CRUD
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] jamietanna[m], re: is it OK to re-send a WM to somewhere that has already received the WM, YES and that's how Webmention CRUD works! See https://indieweb.org/CRUD for more
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KartikPrabhu hmmm anyone have ideas on what to do with webmentions received from dead silos via bridgy? like Google+
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jacky that's a good question
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jacky but just to make sure I understand, you're asking like what to present them as?
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KartikPrabhu yup
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jacky I'd marked them as deleted from the date of the shutdown of the silo
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jacky *I would mark them
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GWG KartikPrabhu, I have some suggestions someone sent
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links/issues/97
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Loqi [snarfed] #97 handle silo quits
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KartikPrabhu it is a weird case, since those were not "intentionally' deleted by the author
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jacky right but for all intents and purposes, the content isn't available anymore
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KartikPrabhu GWG: I meant comments and replies from silos
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[tantek] not the author's intent
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[tantek] not all intents 😂
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KartikPrabhu jacky: yeah what [tantek] said. It wasn't the author's intent. Those I would treat as a "delete webmetion"
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jacky ah lol fair
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[tantek] KarthikPrabhu you could change the comment permalink to link to the Internet Archive
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jacky but if you were to re-fetch it from brid.gy; it'd be a 404
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jacky _if_ it's available there
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[tantek] 404 != 410
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jacky I'd get that if KartikPrabhu hadn't interacted with this post before (like if they got this incoming webmention the first time and it was a 410)
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jacky but if they have info (200) and then they go to refresh/re-request and it comes back as not found (404); wouldn't that essentially mean it's gone?
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KartikPrabhu jacky: yes, but here crucially it is "gone" vs "deleted" where the second would be author intent
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KartikPrabhu I think
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jacky hmmm okay
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KartikPrabhu not sure how to handle this anyway
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jacky which brings us back to your original question :/
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KartikPrabhu hopefully archive has those backed up
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jacky sounds like a long manual process if it's a lot of G+ entries
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KartikPrabhu I can search the original post link in my files and automate that
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KartikPrabhu files/database
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jacky nice
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KartikPrabhu lol, I guess I should remove G+ from my about page too :P
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chrisaldrich I just read that Microsoft open sourced their OneNote web clipper a while back. The UI reminds me a bit of Omnibear. It has the ability to do bookmarks, notes, highlights, annotations, captures portions of pages as images or even full text.
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chrisaldrich I could see someone adding building blocks like Micropub and IndieAuth to something like this to create a client to post to one's website instead of/in addition to a OneNote notebook.
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chrisaldrich https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/onenotedev/2016/08/31/the-web-clipper-goes-open-source/
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[tantek] jacky, 404 could mean so many things that you can't really treat it as meaning anything in particular other than a systems failure (no human component)
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[tantek] more here: https://indieweb.org/deleted#404_Not_Found
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[fluffy] I’ve always wondered why 404 gets all the love in popular culture and why all the fun cute custom error pages out there are 404-only. Here I am with specific error pages for 403, 5xx, and 4xx in addition to 404...
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[Michael_Beckwit i wonder if you can customize internal server errors
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jacky https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/404-Found
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jacky Just saw this on my reader
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[grantcodes] I think one reason you might see 404 messages more often is because a lot more internet users sort of know what it means compared all the other status codes.
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[grantcodes] !tell schmarty kablamo! Redeveloped my micropub client components to be more reusable: https://grantcodes.github.io/micropub-client-editor
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[grantcodes] I'm pretty happy with just being able to pass in an mf2 properties object and it generating a form, makes it super easy to put together a simple micropub client
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