#dev 2019-07-05

2019-07-05 UTC
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GWG Anyone have a set of PHP functions that compare URLs regardless of scheme or the absence of scheme?
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[Michael_Beckwit not readymade, but I imagine it’d be fairly easy to do with https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.parse-url.php
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GWG I can write one. I thought someone might save me the trouble
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[Michael_Beckwit well, i don’t speak for everyone, so i’m just throwing some quick ideas out there 😄
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[Michael_Beckwit hopefully someone does
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aaronpk i have some stuff in https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-utils/blob/master/src/url.php but i'm not sure it does what you need
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aaronpk ooh maybe the normalize_url function
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aaronpk p3k\normalize_url($a) == p3k\normalize_url($b)
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aaronpk also takes into account example.com/ vs example.com
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aaronpk (i.e. those are the same)
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aaronpk i think it only depends on other functions defined in that file, so should be easy to copy out to something else
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GWG aaronpk: I already have your build_url
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GWG I used it for something else
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GWG The problem now is http vs https
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aaronpk the normalize function covers that
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GWG If I'm comparing an http and an https, how does it handle that?
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aaronpk what do you mean compare?
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aaronpk compare for equivalence?
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GWG I want to make sure that it considers http://example.com and https://example.com to be the same.
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aaronpk nvm normalize_url keeps the scheme of the original input URL, just assumes http if no scheme is set
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GWG I'll figure it out.
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aaronpk it'd be a small change to have it treat them the same tho
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GWG I think I have an idea.
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GWG Added a second argument to force ssl
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[fluffy] strictly-speaking http://foo and https://foo are not the same URL, in that you can have different sites served up on the different protocols. It’s not common but it does happen.
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aaronpk yes also that ^^
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aaronpk i went with the stricter approach for indieauth which is to actually check whether/which redirects to the other before considering them equivalent
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[fluffy] I purposefully don’t redirect http to https which causes me a lot of trouble in auth contexts.
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[fluffy] Reason being that https makes caching proxies basically useless, and I want to be supportive of folks sharing low-bandwidth links.
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[tantek] That’s interesting fluffy. Is there an article / tutorial about that? Or is it considered “common knowledge”?
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[tantek] Either way, probably worth adding to /performance since you’re a real world example of it
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[tantek] Maybe also worth noting on /https as a consideration (I think there’s an existing section there on redirecting http to https)
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[tantek] FWIW I also am not (yet) redirecting http to https on my personal site
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[asuh] tantek: I remember reading about caching issue fluffy described on Eric Meyer’s blog: https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2018/08/07/securing-sites-made-them-less-accessible/
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@andybelldesign I’m on the way to Brighton today, so I think I’m going to have a crack at getting Webmentions working on my site. I think I’ll avoid to tube today, too and have a nice stroll from Paddington to Victoria.  https://andy-bell.design/notes/198/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147058055382745088)
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@xtof_party ↩️ I'm confident Andy. Love Clearleft. Currently boarding to Oban (Scotland) and would be happy to test webmentions on this note mid-july :) http://xtof.me/2019/07/05/embarquement-pour-oban-scotland-photoblog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147121065040252929)
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[fluffy] [asuh] thanks, that’s exactly the article I had in mind
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@erikkroes Anybody using the Webmention/Semantic-Linkbacks plugin for Wordpress? I'm not getting the result I expected, but not sure if that's my expectations. Twitter likes and mentions only become avatars, and not readable sentences in my comment list. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1147147073269243905)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Are you using an IndieWeb theme? There are four to five themes with some key features out of the box that improve the way webmentions display. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/MagTZ) (twitter.com/_/status/1147148809010634754)
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@andybelldesign ✍️ New post: “Adding Webmentions to my personal site” I thought it would be helpful to writeup adding Webmentions to my personal site which is built with @eleven_ty. https://andy-bell.design/wrote/adding-webmentions-to-my-personal-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147173967192567808)
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@peterjlambert ↩️ Thanks for doing that, Andy. I’ve got halfway through the process but ran out of time and effort trying to figure out getting webmentions displaying on posts. I’ll have a good look over your PR and try again. (twitter.com/_/status/1147175713910468614)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ why I prefer webmention badges. All HTML and a W3C standard. The way the web was meant to be. I own my assessments and feedback from my own Domain. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2brILa) (twitter.com/_/status/1147178977347407878)
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@onk Webmention へーーー https://webmention.net/draft/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147203466277711872)
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@andybelldesign ↩️ @scottishstoater Here you go https://andy-bell.design/wrote/adding-webmentions-to-my-personal-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147213925047558145)
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[fluffy] I’m looking for opinions on a thing. Let’s say I want to make a configuration file where it’s just a mapping from a string to a list of strings. There is no need to embed newlines or leading/trailing whitespace, but internal whitespace would be nice. I want it to be easily edited by non-expert users. I’d rather not write my own parser. Are there any standard formats that fit the bill?
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aaronpk YAML?
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aaronpk for just that case, it'd be:
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aaronpk keyname:
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aaronpk - value1
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aaronpk - value2
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[fluffy] Yeah that’s what I was considering most strongly. Hmm
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[fluffy] but there’s some fun corner cases like the way it’s very, um, aggressive at parsing things as bools
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aaronpk oh yes lol i've run into that
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aaronpk i think if you have quotes aroudn the values then they are always strings
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[fluffy] yeah but that makes it an expert-mode thing
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[fluffy] This is for the user group stuff in Publ, incidentally
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[fluffy] Basically I want a configuration format where it’s clear that “These people belong to these groups”
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[fluffy] maybe I’ll just go with the .ini-style ConfigFile parser
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[fluffy] yeah I’ll just use that, it seems to make sense for my use cases
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@ne_sachirou Webmention - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Webmention http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1147222306948702208)
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