#dev 2019-07-09

2019-07-09 UTC
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[snarfed] ^ not sure if it's great or sad that webmentions equate to twitter reactions showing up on their web site
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[benatwork] I think the magic will be apparent if some of us leave direct webmention comments!
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[benatwork] (This is a good reminder that I still can't access .dev domains because of something I did to my local DNS ages ago 😞 )
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[tantek] [snarfed], I read it as "an example of", not "equate to"
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[snarfed] right, that's a more generous interpretation
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@zmoglesby @ulyssesapp please support Micropub as a publishing format! It’s a W3C spec, https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ https://indieweb.org/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/1148394902876827648)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Lol that’d be wild! So I’m posting from my site first then sending it to Twitter using this IndieWeb service called https://brid.gy. (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/7f62d450-a814-4287-be1d-745697c0ca14) (twitter.com/_/status/1148396250213101568)
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[jgmac1106] jacky you may want to remove the OG stuff on syndicated tweets, it creates a duplicate tweet when your url is unfurled
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[tantek] I kinda like it
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aaronpk that was one of the many reasons I ended up dropping the link back to my original post from my tweets
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[tantek] This indicates a design flaw with Twitter's display of like posts: https://twitter.com/RebbeSMZ/status/1148398537354436608?s=20
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@RebbeSMZ Whoa, Twitter is showing that people are liking tweets they never liked (like a rabbi liking a tweet from yesterday about the rapture, when her last like was 3 days ago). This is dangerous and wrong. @jack @TwitterSafety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-_uRCsXUAE2Lvy.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1148398537354436608)
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[tantek] *is
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[tantek] so this particular example of "Twitter is showing that people are liking tweets they never liked" is false
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[tantek] it's not that her last like was 3 days ago, it's that the her last like was of something that itself was posted 3 days ago
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[tantek] however Twitter's presentation of like posts are at least somewhat to blame
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[tantek] I scrolled down https://twitter.com/ravarielstone/likes myself and found that "rapture" tweet in the list about 15 or so items down
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[tantek] implications for displaying you /like (and /repost) posts:
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[tantek] 1. it's more important to display the datetime (or since) of when *you* posted (i.e. when you liked or reposted) than the dt-published of the original item
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[tantek] 2. if you must display the dt-published of the original item, then *also* (and preferably, more prominently) display the datetime of *when you* liked or reposted it
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[KevinMarks] There's a worse case when a tweet quotes another one, the like buttons for the outer tweet are right under the quoted tweet
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aaronpk the flip side is you don't want to misrepresent when the post you're liking was posted
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/ElayneBoosler/status/1145807506041536513?s=20
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@ElayneBoosler Aarrgghh!!! I never "liked" anything by Piers Morgan. This is FALSE. Twitter, wassup? https://twitter.com/DeepElemBlues/status/1145499015154417669 (twitter.com/_/status/1145807506041536513)
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[tantek] I think that's a problem with Twitter's reversal of the ordering of the usual "quote then respond" format
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[tantek] if the quote(d tweet) were shown *before* the "response" text then it would be much clearer that the response buttons below apply to the response tweet, not the quote(d tweet)
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[KevinMarks] Yes, "retweet with comment" is odd.
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GWG Anyone ever used screeenly? It looks interesting.
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[cleverdevil] Hmm, [aaronpk], Aperture isn’t accepting this feed when attempting to add through the dashboard - https://micro.blog/posts/photos
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[cleverdevil] JSON Feed
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aaronpk do you see anything in the monocle preview?
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aaronpk https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https://micro.blog/posts/photos
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[cleverdevil] 401 Unauthorized.
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[cleverdevil] I suppose I am using the wrong URL :)
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AkyRhO Good morning Indieweb
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AkyRhO I experienced some issue with telegraph recently
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AkyRhO I get a "Not_supported" status with "No webmention endpoint was discovered for this target" when i try to push a webmention to brid.gy
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AkyRhO This occured for the last week or so
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AkyRhO and i'm pretty sure i did not change anything
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[Jay_Hoffmann] I’m working on a prototype for an indie reader, and I’m wondering if anyone has good test feeds or dummy JSON that I could use in order to test all of the various types and fields
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[grantcodes] [Jay_Hoffmann] http://examples.tpxl.io/
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[grantcodes] Not exhaustive but I decent starting point
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[grantcodes] There are links to feeds at the bottom
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Thank you
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[Jay_Hoffmann] That’s incredibly helpful
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[grantcodes] Great 🙂 If it's missing something it's easy to add to so feel free to open pull requests or issues
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sknebel petermolnar: that's dutifully reporting replies Aaron's website gives over the fediverse statistics endpoint :D
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@losoviz ↩️ One suggestion: could the src/posts (pages/images/etc folders) and configuration files be placed outside of the Hylia repo (maybe another repo, linked as a dependency?), so I can then pull just the Hylia new functionality (webmentions, comments) without affecting content? (twitter.com/_/status/1148621104421851136)
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[snarfed] AkyRhO: sorry for the bridgy trouble! sounds like you were trying to publish, ie create a tweet from a post on your site? what's the telegraph status page URL?
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jacky is happy that there's another starter project that bakes in IndieWeb goodness
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aaronpk petermolnar: I noticed that I was getting requests for that stats endpoint as soon as I started replying to people on mastodon so I put something there
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[snarfed] hah, bridgy fed too, but i ignored them, so it's not on the list 😎
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aaronpk aw
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petermolnar aaronpk that poll sounds like an opportunity to confuse the hell out of fediverse
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aaronpk sure does!
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aaronpk I was debating being a jerk and saying my node had 10,000,000 users
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petermolnar for the fun and for the sake of please don't effin' use .well-known randomly
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aaronpk unauthenticated endpoints! what could go wrong!
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petermolnar I1m tempted to do so bad things there... eg. serve a stupidly large file but restrict the speed to 1byte/second
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sknebel petermolnar: we should start with webmention endpoints with such games :D
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petermolnar https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/296k0o/hi_id_like_to_hear_a_tcp_joke/
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petermolnar aaronpk did you document what they are querying and what are you responding?
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[eddie] IndieChaosMonkey? lol
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petermolnar is there a .monkey domain?
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petermolnar chaos.monkey as a service
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aaronpk no I just looked at their endpoint and added as little as I could to mine to make it do something https://mastodon.social/api/v1/instance
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aaronpk oh wait wrong one
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[eddie] Zegnat is the closest thing to IndieWeb's ChaosMonkey
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aaronpk oh yeah, there's a thing in there where you tell it what protocols you implemented
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petermolnar /.well-known/nodeinfo ; /api/v1/instance ; /api/statusnet/version.json ; /api/statusnet/config ; /api/meta ; /api/v1/config ; /api/statusnet/config.json - I see these queried
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petermolnar on my site
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aaronpk so I added webmention :)
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aaronpk https://the-federation.info/protocol/webmention
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aaronpk oh looks like the wordpress plugin also reports that too!
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petermolnar hang on a sec... I see a disturbingly similar hit count on those endpoint queries. Are they looking for the same data under all 7 endpoints?
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jacky petermolnar: I think they try them all and collapse the info
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jacky I _also_ think it's an open project so we could peek
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[eddie] Relating to the conversation above about Chaos Monkey and IndieWeb sites, I'm going to be working on a project that will send incorrect data, etc, to opted-in IndieWeb sites to help test against against ways people could abuse the protocols we're using
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[eddie] Feel free to use Loqi's << syntax to add ideas to the Chaos Monster page
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "Feel free to use Loqi's" or similar
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aaronpk haha
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[eddie] Loqi 😞
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[eddie] You're just jealous that there are gonna be more IndieWeb "bots"
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[eddie] lol
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aaronpk Loqi's gonna need to learn how to webmention soon
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[eddie] Most definitely 😆
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aaronpk every time I think this I realize I need a smaller or easier to update version of p3k to deploy for these purposes
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aaronpk right now p3k relies on a ton of external services, which is nice that it offloads a bunch of the work, but means copying API keys around a lot to set up
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[eddie] luckily, you do have quite a few sites besides your main one. So if you did have a p3k-lite, you would be able to use it a LOT
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aaronpk yeah, I keep thinking about building that
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sknebel so, you need an API to create API-keys?
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aaronpk and then start listing out all the stuff it has to do, and then I get overwhelmed
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[eddie] ahh, yeah, that makes sense
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sknebel Chaos Monkey << low level: slow network responses
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "Chaos Monkey" or similar
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sknebel wops
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sknebel Chaos Monster << low level: slow network responses
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Loqi ok, I added "low level: slow network responses" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63445&oldid=63442
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aaronpk Chaos Monster << look at https://github.com/kbsriram/checkmention for ideas of different kinds of content to send
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Loqi ok, I added "look at https://github.com/kbsriram/checkmention for ideas of different kinds of content to send" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63446&oldid=63445
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sknebel Chaos Monster << low level: gzip bombs, crazy HTML (had mf2 parsers crash on real websites with thousands of tags deep nesting)
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Loqi ok, I added "low level: gzip bombs, crazy HTML (had mf2 parsers crash on real websites with thousands of tags deep nesting)" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63447&oldid=63446
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[eddie] Nice, these are some good ones 😄
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aaronpk webmention.rocks only includes friendly tests :)
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sknebel Chaos Monster << avatars: giant, blinking, tiny, svg, weird file formats, imagemagick exploits
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Loqi ok, I added "avatars: giant, blinking, tiny, svg, weird file formats, imagemagick exploits" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63448&oldid=63447
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aaronpk oof
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[eddie] which is good. Because webmention.rocks should be friendly to newcomers 😄 you don't want someone accidentally sending bad data lol
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[eddie] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (116 in all channels)
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aaronpk Chaos Monster << avatars: http://example.com/script.php then attempt to execute the php file if the server downloads it (see https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirby-webmentions/commit/55bedea78ae9af916a9a41497bd9996417851502)
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Loqi ok, I added "avatars: http://example.com/script.php then attempt to execute the php file if the server downloads it (see https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirby-webmentions/commit/55bedea78ae9af916a9a41497bd9996417851502)" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63449&oldid=63448
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[eddie] Chaos Monster << Research OAuth 2.0 potential issues and try sites' IndieAuth/Micropub auth safety
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Loqi ok, I added "Research OAuth 2.0 potential issues and try sites' IndieAuth/Micropub auth safety" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63450&oldid=63449
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aaronpk oh is this not limited to webmention?
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[eddie] Nope, just an obvious one
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[eddie] and probably primary
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aaronpk this is gonna be a big project :)
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[eddie] haha a big long slow project 😄
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aaronpk Chaos Monster << docs on common oauth pitfalls https://oauth.net/security/
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Loqi ok, I added "docs on common oauth pitfalls https://oauth.net/security/" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63451&oldid=63450
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sknebel Chaos Monster << WebSub surely has some fun corners too
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Loqi ok, I added "WebSub surely has some fun corners too" to the "See Also" section of /Chaos_Monster https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63452&oldid=63451
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sknebel Category:"things that involve telling your site to talk to other things"
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[snarfed] indieweb fuzzer! awesome!
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[fluffy] oh incidentally my doc fix to Mastodon’s OAuth flow got merged in, yay. https://source.joinmastodon.org/mastodon/docs/blob/master/content/en/api/authentication.md I don’t know when they’ll deploy to the public site but at least I’m helping.
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[schmarty] fluffy++ sweeeet!
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Loqi fluffy has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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@css IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/B63QJCfjgq (twitter.com/_/status/1148708426643648513)
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[grantcodes] wow css tricks. awesome
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aaronpk whoa
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[grantcodes] first line is a bit late though
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@vj_digital_au IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/AIhPbo8bYb (twitter.com/_/status/1148708784262602753)
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aaronpk haha yeah
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aaronpk must have taken a while to get thru editorial review
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aaronpk "A social web, but everybody with their own homes that they own and control."
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@giglobus css: IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/hkrNseWijf (twitter.com/_/status/1148709186093670400)
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[schmarty] this is a pretty great post
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aaronpk maybe instead of the fediverse, we have the neighborweb
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GWG aaronpk, won't you be my neighbor?
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[eddie] neighborweb++
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Loqi neighborweb has 1 karma over the last year
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[grantcodes] Should put Chris on an invite list for 2020 though, pretty sure he lives in Oregon
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@bashooka IndieWeb and Webmentions: https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148710742218215424)
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@feedpushr IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1148711229986357248)
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@webdevtweetz "IndieWeb and Webmentions" - https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi #dev (twitter.com/_/status/1148711468403179521)
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@DengSip #css #tips IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148711597562572801)
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@GoodContentDude IndieWeb and Webmentions http://bit.ly/2NSTX2G (twitter.com/_/status/1148711703460438019)
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@AtlantaAtomic IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86Jcp #webdesign #atomicdesign https://t.co/fr8bK8CZSV (twitter.com/_/status/1148711824847597568)
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GWG Now I'm going to have "Who are the people in your neighborweb" stuck in my head
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@Be_WebDev IndieWeb and Webmentions #webdev #css https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi https://t.co/X7S90na32I (twitter.com/_/status/1148712220492259328)
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@PixelPerfectGuy IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86LqR https://t.co/n40QKfhlhL (twitter.com/_/status/1148716986001608704)
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@Bird7G IndieWeb and Webmentions #WebDesign #atomicdesign https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1148719486096367616)
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[schmarty] welp
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jacky everyone is printing out from a feed lol
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jacky the WebSub machine in action
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aaronpk the spamblog copies have started already too
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aaronpk they are ever so helpfully sending pingbacks to the wiki
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jacky D:
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jacky hmm this isn't the first time from css-tricks.com tho
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jacky https://css-tricks.com/implementing-webmentions/
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@FreyaGeorge3 IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148720509800132608)
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@ROXCODEOFFICIAL IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi #webdevelopers https://t.co/7GzQKjD3NQ (twitter.com/_/status/1148720586501304327)
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@sometechwork Css Trick-ed: IndieWeb and Webmentions http://bit.ly/30suxtM #css #tricks #frontend (twitter.com/_/status/1148720606122270721)
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@AlexRodDesign IndieWeb and Webmentions #CSS https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz (twitter.com/_/status/1148721003167723521)
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gRegorLove speaking of neighborweb, this is prime for an indieweb meme: https://imgur.com/gallery/4jq38pt/
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@CSSTricks_Bot IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86NkZ (twitter.com/_/status/1148721639091130368)
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aaronpk Micropub/Clients << https://twitter.com/ulyssesapp/status/1148578698288934912
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/ulyssesapp/status/1148578698288934912" to a new "See Also" section of /Micropub/Clients https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63456&oldid=62050
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@sigmagfx IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86SNx https://t.co/eiInLTCTFd (twitter.com/_/status/1148731331875987456)
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@CtrlBlog Add Webmention support to your website in ten minutes https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/setup-webmention.html (twitter.com/_/status/1148738270362308620)
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@rahulkachhad IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148738290209738752)
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