#dev 2019-07-10

2019-07-10 UTC
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@RSSFeedsCloud IndieWeb and Webmentions https://rssfeeds.cloudsite.builders/2019/07/09/indieweb-and-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1148750466857230336)
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[tantek] neighborweb++
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Loqi neighborweb has 2 karma over the last year
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aaronpk moves a convo thread from dev to main
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@ajay_namitha IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86bZB https://t.co/c8bnarU4hg (twitter.com/_/status/1148751338718806016)
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@markdavoli CSS Tricks - IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86bZR https://t.co/18AusEF0S4 (twitter.com/_/status/1148751339704340480)
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@AstanMedia IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86bc0 https://t.co/1lsWQtCMb2 (twitter.com/_/status/1148751343055589376)
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[tantek] Webmentions++
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Loqi Webmentions has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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aaronpk jacky: re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-07-10#t1562719069639000 did you see the GPG stuff that went down last week during summit? https://gist.github.com/rjhansen/67ab921ffb4084c865b3618d6955275f
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Loqi [jacky] one bad spec and we got neighbor vandals
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[miklb] O_/
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aaronpk tl;dr there has always been a possible attack possible in the GPG web of trust, and it was finally exploited, and there is basically no way to recover now
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@redrocketwd IndieWeb and Webmentions http://qoo.ly/yg7kj (twitter.com/_/status/1148754210235854854)
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jacky yeahh
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jacky I think they _just_ pushed a fix
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jacky but it's def too little too late
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jacky it's like finding out someone put soap in the apple pie
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jacky and only after you had two slices
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aaronpk literally LOL 😂
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gRegorLove Whoa, missed that GPG news.
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@NebulArt IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86ghg https://t.co/mjD2sRKCRJ (twitter.com/_/status/1148763037895020545)
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@chriswagoner IndieWeb and Webmentions https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz by Chris Coyier (twitter.com/_/status/1148764275093233667)
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jacky I _think_ I mentioned this before
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jacky but https://coolors.co/ is nifty for color scheme generation
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aaronpk checks https://aaronparecki.com/tag/color
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aaronpk adds it to the list :)
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[tantek] what is a color scheme
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "color scheme" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "color scheme is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] ok I know I documented this during Berlin
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[tantek] what are colors
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Loqi color palette is the set of colors used by a web page for the background(s), text color(s), border color(s), and link/visited color(s) typically chosen to be both aesthetically pleasing, and accessible, often in an overall light or dark theme https://indieweb.org/colors
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[tantek] color scheme is /color_palette
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] colors << https://coolors.co/ is nifty for color scheme generation
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Loqi ok, I added "https://coolors.co/ is nifty for color scheme generation" to the "See Also" section of /color_palette https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63467&oldid=61402
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[tantek] aaronpk adds to his site with a tag. I add to the wiki. 😭
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aaronpk lol
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[tantek] and you were the one making fun of me (sort of 🙂 ) for proposing the chat web UI support Microblog 😛
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[tantek] support *Micropub
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aaronpk oh I wasn't making fun of you I was just running away from that whole topic very quickly
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[tantek] oh that's totally fair
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[tantek] I can understand the fear. You are so close to being able to do it, that if someone else enabled it, the temptation would be too strong and you'd likely fall into that rabbithole (of post to IRC from your website)
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[tantek] jacky, re: color schemes, have you seen https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/cinemapalette/ (linked from /colors )
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jacky oh this reminds me of the Twitter account
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jacky I love stuff like this
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[tantek] yeah that's on there too
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[tantek] that's what inspired my 3rd theme on my site
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jacky hmm this is dangerously tempting
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jacky to make a color scheme generator based on a photo when I repost it on my site
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[tantek] oh no the Twitter account got suspended!
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[tantek] it was https://twitter.com/ColorsEffect
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[tantek] ^^^ bad link-preview, unlikely to get "the full story" from a suspended account 😛
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jacky lol right
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jacky RIP @ColorsEffect
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[tantek] https://web.archive.org/web/20190504202712/https://twitter.com/ColorsEffect
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aaronpk warning warning warning: color math is hard
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[tantek] wow good thing I posted about the ColorsEffect tweet that inspired my 3rd theme!
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gRegorLove I like https://www.0to255.com/ for getting lighter and darker shades
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/ColorsEffect/status/1114584965218312194
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aaronpk i'm confused... "This Tweet is unavailable" but it's still showing replies to the tweet?
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[tantek] where are you seeing replies to the tweet?!?
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[tantek] on the desktop web UI I only get the account suspended redirect
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aaronpk are you on the new UI?
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[tantek] also my post https://tantek.com/2019/132/t2/indiewebcamp-new-tronlegacy-theme caused that tweet to be archived!
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf hack day “quick” addition: New @TronLegacy inspired theme, using +1 hyperlink on home page +1 #CSS style rule Thanks to #HTMLfirst, #CSSVariables, and @ColorsEffect! https://twitter.com/ColorsEffect/status/1114584965218...
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gRegorLove I see the replies too
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-07-09-18-50-10-KKPZY2WQoa.jpg
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[tantek] is this in "new twitter"?
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] this has all kinds of implications
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aaronpk speaking of new twitter i'm really not a fan of the "tweets from people like this" below the tweet now
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aaronpk it's like a worse version of youtube autoplay suggested videos
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[tantek] growth hacking!
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aaronpk THERE ARENT ENOUGH EYES TO ROLL
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KartikPrabhu I think "growth hacking" is all capitalised
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[tantek] GrOwTh HaCkInG
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KartikPrabhu that's much better!! :P
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@ThemeSpectrum IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi - real_css_tricks (twitter.com/_/status/1148774270518140928)
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jacky more stuff (I'm working on something that focuses on design and the links in my bookmarks are coming out)
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jacky https://www.froala.com/design-blocks
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jacky I should just have a 'design' tag on my site
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk agreed https://aaronparecki.com/tag/design
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aaronpk I should really get webpage screenshots working again on my bookmarks
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aaronpk I was using an endpoint that benwerd had running
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jacky I _think_ there's a npm package for that now
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aaronpk of course there is
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jacky lol
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk it probably installs an entire VM
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jacky close to it, lol, it'll need xvfb or at least headless chrome running somewhere
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jacky this is what I was looking for before
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jacky https://www.froala.com/design-blocks/webpage-builder
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[tantek] I mean it could be worse, it could install an entire VM + web server
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aaronpk hashtag toosoon
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jacky ooh https://hexnaw.com/
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jacky is loving his bookmarks right now
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@it_malibu IndieWeb and Webmentions: The IndieWeb is a thing! They've got a conference coming up and everything. The New Yorker is even writing about it: Proponents of the IndieWeb offer a fairly straightforward analysis of our current social-media crisis. They… https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1148811104908218368)
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@DatTechDaddy IndieWeb and Webmentions - https://techdaddyblog.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ #TechnologyNews https://t.co/imnjE1Kb1H (twitter.com/_/status/1148849687417499648)
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@Un1v3rs0Z3r0 IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148850042171797504)
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@marcplouis IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R87M4w https://t.co/bFgnPU84Kg (twitter.com/_/status/1148857544774864896)
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@JansherRahman IndieWeb and Webmentions https://feedly.com/i/entry/WQQhVwYTr9O+Jze/QvxE21WabSSL7Bzw8sdo6RLFpRQ=_16bd8b864cd:65c256:d044c787 #webdesign #website #design #graphicdesign #webdevelopment #webdesigner #marketing #web #socialmediamarketing #wordpress #uxdesign #business #logo #socialmedia #ecommerce #programming #JansherRahman (twitter.com/_/status/1148874865618968576)
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@CMSstash IndieWeb und Webmentions auf CSS-TRICKS: Die eigene Webseite als Antwort auf die Social Media Krise und Webmentions als Wiedergeburt des Trackbacks. Mal sehen: https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ #webmentions #indieweb #socialmedia #website #dataprivacy (twitter.com/_/status/1148880541372035072)
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@codepo8 "Add Webmention support to your website in ten minutes" https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/setup-webmention.html Then build an interface that doesn't clutter the page but only show those relevant to your readers. I've seen too many that look like tumblr. (twitter.com/_/status/1148899704555614208)
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@DesignHeaps IndieWeb and Webmentions https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz #CSS (twitter.com/_/status/1148902259167825927)
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@SkweezeDesign CSS Tricks of the trade: IndieWeb and Webmentions https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz (twitter.com/_/status/1148909864674091008)
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@fakebaldur “Add Webmention support to your website in ten minutes - Ctrl blog” https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/setup-webmention.html (twitter.com/_/status/1148912861013581824)
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@redcrew IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ via @css (twitter.com/_/status/1148929882489053190)
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@MaxFoundry IndieWeb and Webmentions by @Real_CSS_Tricks http://maxfoundry.com/r/688306?url=https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ #WordPress via @maxfoundry (twitter.com/_/status/1148932396017958912)
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@bitcatcha IndieWeb and Webmentions https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz via @Real_CSS_Tricks #css #webdev (twitter.com/_/status/1148964595408822274)
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[tantek] Wow even the dev channel is overrun by those tweets
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[tantek] This was a good article though, l worth IndieNewsing: https://twitter.com/_/status/1148912861013581824
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@fakebaldur “Add Webmention support to your website in ten minutes - Ctrl blog” https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/setup-webmention.html (twitter.com/_/status/1148912861013581824)
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[tantek] I mean this https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/setup-webmention.html
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Loqi [Daniel Aleksandersen] Add Webmention support to your website in ten minutes
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aaronpk oh yeah
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jgmac1106 is it just me or does every add webmention support in under X minutes stop at..just before displaying webmentions….becuase I have yet to find that tutorial, and rightfully so…but that is something I do need to figure out.
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jgmac1106 just wonder if the message is a little misleading as most tutorial are about just sending and recieving, but most folks will be like…but how do I get them to show up, or if it is just targeted at audience that would know how to kame the display after the ten minute “add endpoint” tutorial
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@ROXCODEOFFICIAL IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xIk2Gw #webdevelopers https://t.co/WwId70TnRo (twitter.com/_/status/1148985881769984002)
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@bashooka IndieWeb and Webmentions: https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148987093886144517)
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@Aniuchaaja IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ via @css (twitter.com/_/status/1148990994634956804)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] "displaying webmentions" is the harder part, and to some extent is not fully solved (re: abuse, spam, blocking etc.)
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jgmac1106[m] As I said I get the reasons just worry if "ten minutes" articles will cause some confusion... Still amazing spread of news recently
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jgmac1106[m] And that is amazing
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jgmac1106[m] webmentions++
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Loqi webmentions has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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[snarfed] !tell cweiske hi! just fyi, your search currently 500s on any search that ends with the / character, eg https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=xyz/ . hope it's an easy fix!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I think it's good. It gets more people involved in the /comments display discussion which needs more design!
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[KevinMarks] if you use webmention.herokuapp.com displaying is easy; with webmention.io or mention.tech you need to doa bit more.
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[tantek] Kevinmarks if you think that is easy, could you add a new "How to" for webmention.heroku specifically to https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_display ?
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[KevinMarks] It's in the homepage, but I can copy it https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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Loqi A WebMention Endpoint
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sknebel [snarfed]: isn't robots.txt counterproductive to keep stuff entirely out of view?
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sknebel If something else links to it
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sknebel Because the search engine don't fetch it and thus don't see the tags on the page telling them to not include in the index
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[tantek] kevinmarks, or at least create a stub "How to" subsection that links to the longer explanation
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[tantek] sknebel, that's not how search engine spiders work
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] [snarfed] my "unlisted" posts did not show up in "feeds" (had none at the time), did not have any site search, and were blocked with robots.txt and I think also meta robots
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[snarfed] tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (119 in all channels)
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[snarfed] updates /unlisted
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sknebel https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/07/a-note-on-unsupported-rules-in-robotstxt.html sounds different
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sknebel So low ranking probably, but not totally excluded
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[tantek] what is robots.txt
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "robots.txt" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "robots.txt is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] huh
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/robots_txt
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[tantek] oh right that problem
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[tantek] what is robots txt
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Loqi robots.txt is a file used to inform web crawlers what parts of a site should or should not be crawled https://indieweb.org/robots_txt
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