#dev 2019-07-29

2019-07-29 UTC
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jacky
is there a particular reason why one couldn't request information about a particular?
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jacky
something like `action=channels&channel=CHANNEL_ID`?
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Loqi
cweiske: [snarfed] left you a message 2 weeks, 4 days ago: hi! just fyi, your search currently 500s on any search that ends with the / character, eg https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=xyz/ . hope it's an easy fix!
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GWG
cweiske: Welcome back
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GWG
voxpelli: Also welcome back
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GWG
cweiske: I did have a question that came up the other day
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GWG
Do you have multilingual markup? /language implies you do.
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cweiske
I have blog posts in english and german
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cweiske
what is language?
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Loqi
language may refer to human (or natural) languages or computer (often programming) languages https://indieweb.org/language
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GWG
cweiske: Do you have the same post in both?
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cweiske
no, it's either german or english - no mixes
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GWG
I'm trying to find an example in the wild of people who post the same content in both languages
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GWG
And how people mark that up
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GWG
Not an urgent need, just an exploration
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voxpelli
GWG: thanks!
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voxpelli
also have multilingual markup
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voxpelli
but I don't translate the same posts, it's an either/or
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voxpelli
GWG: this is how Google wants one to mark up translated pages: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/189077
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voxpelli
rel-alternate with lang-attributes on them
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voxpelli
s/lang/hreflang/
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GWG
Yes, but is anyone in the community doing it?
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GWG
Accomplished no webmention stuff this weekend. Darn
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[eddie]
!tell jacky so far there hasn't been a need for a "request info about this channel" action because the request for ALL the channels isn't that big and it is common for Microsub Clients to cache the Channel List, so the data is typically always available once you login to a reader. Is there a specific use case that you've run into where you need that ability?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky
[eddie]: yeah for my reader, the act of fetching all of the known channels is very decoupled from rendering each individual channel (it's not only for microsub).
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Loqi
jacky: [eddie] left you a message 3 hours, 27 minutes ago: so far there hasn't been a need for a "request info about this channel" action because the request for ALL the channels isn't that big and it is common for Microsub Clients to cache the Channel List, so the data is typically always available once you login to a reader. Is there a specific use case that you've run into where you need that ability?
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jacky
I'm looking to find a way around it right now so it wouldn't require a change / addition to the specification
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BenLubar
how many channels are there
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[tantek]
What is discuss?
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Loqi
Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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[tantek]
What are channels?
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Loqi
Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/channels
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BenLubar
I meant channels in the micropub issue jacky was looking at
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[eddie]
BenLubar, each person that uses Microsub has a different number of channels
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BenLubar
yes, and this is a specific use-case
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[eddie]
Oh you mean specifically how many channels jacky has
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BenLubar
yeah
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[eddie]
gotcha
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jacky
BenLubar: it's a user-defined amount, with an included notifications on
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BenLubar
unless the number of channels gets gigantic I wouldn't even worry about trying to optimize it
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jacky
no so like
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jacky
activitydesk fetches the list to determine what channels to use
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jacky
hmm this is a persistence issue I'll figure out in a few
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jacky
lol yeah this was on me
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jacky
I wanted to avoid having state in this app but oh well
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BenLubar
I mean, you can always fetch the entire channel list every time
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BenLubar
it's not going to be significantly more expensive than a get-single-channel endpoint unless you have millions of channels
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BenLubar
and at that point your UI will probably break in another way first
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jacky
true but like I would want to make this request once
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[snarfed]
[renem] moving here. i don't actually see any AP `Follow` requests to bridgy fed for you. only one request to `/renem.net/inbox`, a `GET`, i'm guessing your interactive one.
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[snarfed]
looks like you have the redirects set up right though. you followed `@renem.net@renem.net` in a mastodon instance?
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[snarfed]
fwiw i followed `@renem.net@renem.net` from my mastodon account just now and it accepted and worked fine
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[renem]
[snarfed] yes, I tried to follow it from my Mastodon account on Mastodon.host instance. Could this be instance specific? Or maybe a caching thing from instance because my redirects weren’t working on the first few attempts and that’s why the instance still sends the follow request to a wrong URL?
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[snarfed]
maybe! not sure. all i know is your site seems to be redirecting right, and bridgy fed is working ok with it, but it never your follow request, but it got mine
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[renem]
Tried it again, and still the same issue. Maybe I’ve to wait a day or so and get the details about that. After a refresh the “follow” button switches to the “waiting for approval”.
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[renem]
But thanks for checking that it’s working, I still have issues with the ./well-known/host-meta* redirects because they end in 404 and I don’t know why but the Webfinger thing is right 😀
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[snarfed]
i see the webfinger requests from mastodon.host, bridgy fed responds to them ok, but it never gets an AP `Follow` request. 🤷
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BenLubar
[snarfed]: I think there might be something related to the dots in the names because I remember having to change it for ravenvale.lubar.me's gw2 actors
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[snarfed]
BenLubar maybe! but the domain-based usernames like `@renem.net@renem.net` are working for other users, and for me following this one, just not for renem's user on mastodon.host, so that seems to be the broken part here
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BenLubar
hmm, maybe it was changed when instance actors were added? because lubar.me is definitely an account on my instance
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[snarfed]
i haven't followed mastodon changes closely. but again, using my mastodon account on mastodon.technology, i can follow `@renem.net@renem.net` successfully, and it's running the exact same version of mastodon (2.9.2) as mastodon.host, so mastodon itself is ok. something is unhappy on mastodon.host specifically
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