#dev 2019-08-07

2019-08-07 UTC
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[fluffy]
It’s not using the author URL (http://beesbuzz.biz/), they’re all linking to the page URL (http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/)
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[sebsel]
I always strip those tracking tags from links I share. Should I change utm_source=twitter to utm_source=indieweb before I post something on my site? :p
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Zegnat
I think [KevinMarks] does that
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AkshayDiscord[m]
aaronpk Hi Aaron, We're trying out indielogin for permaweb writer application. Could you please add permaweb.io as a registered client_id? Also would it work for a subdomain such as auth.permaweb.io
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cweiske
since when do clients need to be registered?
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cweiske
this would go against the "indie" in the name
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cweiske
AkshayDiscord[m], people do registration requests via github tickets: https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/issues/
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Zegnat
If you want to use indielogin.com as your login form provider, you need registration to use the service, cweiske. Alternatively you can host a copy yourself.
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Loqi
[aaronpk] #20 Add client registration form
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Zegnat
[insert note about please hosting yourself and not depending on aaronpk]
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AkshayDiscord[m]
I'm also working on self-hosting it. Zegnat
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Zegnat
Nice! :)
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[Rose]
Self hosting is good!
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jgmac1106
Anyone know how to get the date I file was uploaded to an @internetarchive item? I got lazy and didn't keep my podcast page up to date. I can see the date the item was created but not the date it was modified with new files.
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jgmac1106
Luckily I have a page for each show on the blog so I can find back dates that way, need to try the Kirby podcast plugin
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[Lewis_Cowles]
I think there is a file which is updated with metadata. If memory serves it is meta.xml. I may be wrong, this may be an author choice to upload
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jgmac1106
I don’t have it, think I will just add an h-entry for each new show to the event description rather than uploading a seperate xml file
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jgmac1106
Lewis_Cowles++
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Loqi
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[Lewis_Cowles]
Is it accepted that they share your email? (I suppose GitHub does it)
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jgmac1106
ohh that parsers so nice….think I might be done keeping a seperate podcast
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jgmac1106
personal choice, my email is already everywhere
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jeremycherfas
Is there anything that will let you view a site at different screen sizes locally?
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[grantcodes]
All browser dev tools have it built in? Or something fancier?
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[fluffy]
[KevinMarks] for some reason I didn’t get the notification about your question re: NIPSA until just now. And yeah that’s a big part of what I wanted from Disqus.
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[fluffy]
But I also was getting annoyed with how much they were gearing stuff towards driving “engagement” at the expense of actual UX
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[fluffy]
like the useless reaction icons that you can’t even see what got voted for as a site admin without voting yourself…
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[fluffy]
and all the intrusive popovers and whatnot
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jeremycherfas
Not fancier; just simpler. I just realised, one could have the diff sizes open in diff tabs. I’ll try that.
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[tantek]
speaking of diffs, has anyone migrated diffs between a git repo and a media wiki page, (sub)set of pages, or entirety of pages?
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[tantek]
by diffs I really mean a document with its revisions
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[tantek]
I'm also curious if there is any sort of interchange format for that, for a document plus (reverse) diffs, or a document and all its revisions
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[tantek]
(background: I actually coded something to do this for arbitrary document formats back in 1996, as part of a commercial product for my startup, but wasn't looking for standards at the time, just writing the most minimal / simplest thing that could work across arbitrary formats)
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[snarfed]
[tantek] just fyi your site seems unhappy, not showing anything after june
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[snarfed]
(noticed it last night in passing, then again this morning)
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[tantek]
yeah that would be the fallback behavior if/when a storage file "goes bad" (i.e. tantek or his code makes a typo)
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[snarfed]
#hugops
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[tantek]
I designed the system to keep working with whatever storage files were still working
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[snarfed]
unrelated, have you ever gotten complaints about it overriding pgup/down and arrow keys?
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[tantek]
instead of XML / SQL style "fail all the things"
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[snarfed]
i don't mind arrow keys, but i use pgup/down a ton, so it's a rude surprise when those change pages on your site
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[snarfed]
minor nit though
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[tantek]
hmm I thought I disabled pgup/down on blog posts
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[tantek]
i.e. on things with more than one page 🙂
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[snarfed]
nah they still trigger on permalinks
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Reflecting On IndieWeb Summit: A Start
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[tantek]
literally just tried it
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[snarfed]
oh, articles vs notes. sure, maybe i'm only seeing them on notes, but your notes are often past a page
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[snarfed]
s/often/usually/, esp multi-photos
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[tantek]
oh shoot you're right now that I have multiphotos
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[tantek]
this is a very good point
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[tantek]
so *that* particular flavor of complaint is new 🙂
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[tantek]
considers another heuristic
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[snarfed]
oh weird also this permalink seems unhappy, renders two like posts, and top left arrow just reloads the same URL. https://tantek.com/2019/162/f5
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] likes @glueckpress’s tweet
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[snarfed]
sorry, i'll stop harassing you now 😎
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[tantek]
snarfed++ no no this is all good
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Loqi
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[tantek]
I mean the reporting of it is good 🙂
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[snarfed]
some replies also approach page length, eg https://tantek.com/2019/155/t2/
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Please also add a :buffering (or :waiting) pseudo-class distinct from :stalled, at the same time as adding :stalled. Use-case: showing loading/buffering spinner, often with a %, e.g. on Netflix. I’d like to see :buffering defined similar to :stal...
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[KevinMarks]
good reply BTW
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[tantek]
if you like it you should put a 👍 on it 🙂
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[tantek]
snarfed great catch on that dupe fave post! nice that at least the forgiving code I wrote renders like two posts instead of zero! now I have another consistency check to add to my data store. 🙂 (also fixed that instance)
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[snarfed]
welcome!
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[tantek]
looks like even the single photo posts that I make are scrollable on my laptop at full screen
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[tantek]
and events obviously
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shokuninDiscord[
Hey tantek
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shokuninDiscord[
We’ll be coming for the meetup today
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shokuninDiscord[
6pm @ Mozilla?
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[jgmac1106]
jeremycherfas there is a good chrome extension for screen resizing based on type of phones, no equivalent on FF..but dev tools does the same thing
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[tantek]
I have a bunch of favelets.com bookmarklets but all the anti-javascript: security measures have broken them 😭
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[tantek]
(for screen resizing)
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[KevinMarks]
lighthouse does the screen sizing thing. You could iframe yourself multiple times
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[KevinMarks]
previous effort at that kind of thing: http://pageaspreview.herokuapp.com/
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[KevinMarks]
though several of the pages have since died
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jeremycherfas
Thanks kevinmarks and tantek. Will investigate.
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[KevinMarks]
re link-substituting from archive.org (from microformats)
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[KevinMarks]
I had a chat with Baekdel about this and he wrote up an approach: https://baekdal.com/trends/publishers-need-to-think-about-linkjacking-too/
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Zegnat
I am not sure how to automatically detect domain squatting though. May need to look into that. (Or just go with manual, GMPG is not that big)
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[KevinMarks]
Baekdal used redirection as a cue
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Loqi
[Zegnat] #1 How to handle linkrot / broken external links?
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[tantek]
[snarfed] — pgup/down fixed to only nav on "short" things
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[tantek]
so those keys should work "normally" on photos and long notes where there is actual need scroll up/down
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[tantek]
try it!
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[snarfed]
tantek++ thanks!
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Loqi
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[tantek]
pretty sure I've fixed all of today's snarfed bug reports 🙂
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[tantek]
that pgup/down one I think has (still) been bugging a bunch of people and I hadn't realized why / what was (still) going on until today, so that will likely be a big usability improvement for a lot of folks
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shokuninDiscord[
aaronpk are you around? We could use your help with indielogin.com!
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[KevinMarks]
we were talking about lazy loading recently
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[KevinMarks]
I put lazy loading on svgshare.com, but most of them are tiny anyway
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[tantek]
what would be a reason that someone could post with Quill, but not reply/like etc. with Monocle (but reading works fine) ?
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[tantek]
in both cases they're doing Micropub so ... ?
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[tantek]
(and both written by aaronpk)
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[tantek]
Monocle apparently has some silent failures when attempting posting replies
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[KevinMarks]
Monocle doesn't like my known - I think there is a difference
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[tantek]
literally posting a reply on Quill works but not on Monocle
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[tantek]
so that presumably means we're missing a test case from micropub.rocks that would pass in one and fail in the other, assuming both Monocle and Quill pass 100% of the existing micropub.rocks test suite which I would expect since aaronpk wrote all 3
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[grantcodes]
I don't know what the difference actually is but there are various potential reasons: form encoded Vs JSON encoded & server rejecting properties (even if it shouldn't) are the most instantly obvios
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[grantcodes]
Also youd need to run the server against the test suite since I expect the problem is at that end
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shokuninDiscord[
Wait what's Monocle
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[Rose]
What is monocle
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[Rose]
pokes Loqi
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Loqi
Monocle is an open source IndieWeb-enabled reader developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Monocle
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[Rose]
Voila.
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[David_Bryant]
I happen to be the anomalous Monocle vs. Quill error case [tantek] is referring to, so can provide more details about configuration, user experience, etc. at whatever point that might be useful.
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GWG
I have been advised of a new bug to fix
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[tantek]
In which plugin?
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