#dev 2019-09-10
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@jeannieindigitl I’ve seen some replies to followed Tumblogs from http://micro.blog. Just an FYI, Tumblr doesn’t have public comments or webmentions so if you want to leave a comment on their Tumblog that they will receive you will need to do so from your Tumblr account. (twitter.com/_/status/1171213270251950081)
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@dippizuka ↩️ Increasingly more fond of the micropayment/microsub model (especially with its popularity on Twitch) to improve the whole experience. Especially in 2019 when speed is such a crucial factor for Google. (twitter.com/_/status/1171266593411584001)
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@dev_nikema #100DaysOfCode [28/100] https://nikema.dev/posts/100-days-of-code-28-100/ I’m so tired. Today was an emotional rollercoaster. Definite highs and lows and WTFs today. I got some coding in though. I want to be a part of the indie web and WebMentions. It’s a bit confusing though. A little more social ape too (twitter.com/_/status/1171342827428597761)
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jeremycherfas Is it very bad form to put <button> on an element that isn't actually clickable?
# jeremycherfas In Grav, the templating system can be very modular. So things like a header block and a footer block are easy to re-use. Currntly I am trying to develop a template for listings and a template for single items. There are no post types, as such.
# jeremycherfas Hmn. Let me see what I can do then.
# jeremycherfas The problem is that sometimes it is clickable and sometimes it isn't. On pagination. So if you are on the first page, the << is not clickable. Maybe I can surpress it entirely if it is not clickable.
# jeremycherfas Apologies, Loqi. Fake command.
# jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat for making me think harder.
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@JamieTanna Finally got around to getting my static #IndieWeb website sending #webmentions after it deploys! https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/10/webmentions-on-deploy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1171379487126228994)
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[grantcodes] Hmm why isn't your pagination a links? But also adding the disabled attribute but keeping it a button might be ok
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# jeremycherfas TIL "The :hover pseudo-class is problematic on touchscreens."
# jeremycherfas !tell [grantcodes] The pagination includes a previous link and a next link, in addition to the numbered pages. If you are on the first page, the previous link is not in fact a link. But I like it being their for design reasons.
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vika_nezrimaya can I whine about jquery being everywhere? I just used TinyMCE in my project and found the dreaded $ to be in my environment
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# [Lewis_Cowles] You can whine, but do you have a viable alternative to ensure it’s not just whining?
# [Lewis_Cowles] there is a property on iframes srcdoc https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/iframe https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/iframe-embed-object.html
# [Lewis_Cowles] this can enable you to create your own alternatives to tinymce
# [Lewis_Cowles] I do not recommend it though
# [grantcodes] ah jeremycherfas: I would go with a span then in that case
# jeremycherfas Yup. That's what I did, in the end. The tricky part, which I can still change, is making it a button when it is a link and not when it isn't.
# jeremycherfas At the moment there are visual cues, and I think ally will work too.
# [grantcodes] you mean visually make it look like a button or an actual button element?
# jeremycherfas Button element. Visually it looks similar, but the font color is different, there's no hover etc.
# [grantcodes] This is confusing me to be honest 😅 generally for pagination I will make a bunch of a tags, change them to spans add the same class to all of them and style them based on that.
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# jeremycherfas All will become clear (or confusing) when I finally publish the theme to my site. But it isn't ready yet.
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# [Lewis_Cowles] [jeremycherfas] might want to run WebAIM or similar accessibility check on that if it’s something you’d be keen not to rule out
# jeremycherfas Ooh. Thanks for that. I think I'll probably wait until I have visible design and then mf2 sorted out, and then use that tool and hope I don't then need too many tweaks.
# jeremycherfas I know for sure I am going to have to play with some of my colour choices.
# [Lewis_Cowles] there is also a tool pa11y which can run reports. https://nystudio107.com/blog/making-websites-accessible-americans-with-disabilities-act-ada I like it a lot as my instincts are a little privileged and perhaps ignorant of challenges I do not face
# jeremycherfas Absolutely. But I am, as I say, leaving it till last, when it will be free too override my privilege and lack of knowledge.
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jgmac1106_ Anyone know what this is: https://www.traackr.com/ I didn't install any trackers but the send 1000s of requests each week
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# [jgmac1106] twice something super funky happens and eats up all my event processes. This was 21:46 last night I wasn't online
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# jgmac1106_ on my main site the last 7days I had 1,306,129 successful requests and on my Known blog 1,251,537 Pretty standard traffic for me. Not seeing a huge spike…can’t figure this out.
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# jgmac1106_ Shared Host is looking into it but they can figure out what is eating through my event processes either
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beko[m] Oooo... now this is interesting https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/web-scraping-doesnt-violate-anti-hacking-law-appeals-court-rules/
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# jgmac1106_ now watch LinkedIn limit how much a public profile shows...
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[KevinMarks] [jeremycherfas] why not make it a button, but set the disabled property when it will have no action?
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# [jgmac1106] Added ORCID support to sign annotations
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@joejenett Replied to Mr.Kapowski by Chris M.
paging @MrKapowski…
I just discovered http://micro.blog receives webmentions from various sources, viewable in the ‘Mentions’ section for logged-in users. Cool. (I figured you must be doing some testing sir.) https://mrkapowski.com/2019/09/thanks-it-was-quite-the-challenge.html (twitter.com/_/status/1171456151386382339)
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# jeremycherfas !tell [KevinMarks] Because I don't do enough of this sort of thing and didn't know about Disabled. Although there is also a sense in which it isn't disabled as much as non-functional. Does that make sense?
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jamietanna[m] Can anyone see anything obvious for why mention.tech wouldn't pick up my `u-syndication` links on https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/10/webmentions-on-deploy/ to then send webmentions ?
# jeremycherfas grantcodes made the same suggestion. I could argue it both ways. It is a button, and if it doesn't do anything, that's the same as being disabled. Or, if it doesn't do anything, it isn't a button. Now that I know, I might give it some more thought.
# [KevinMarks] I think disabled fits your use case - the button is there but shouldn't be clickable as it won't do anything, but when things change it can be enabled
# jeremycherfas I think you are right.
# jeremycherfas It might well simplify the markup too.
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# [snarfed] KevinMarks: looks like https://github.com/kevinmarks/mentiontech/ is outdated? it doesn't have eg `/mentionall` from the currently deployed https://mention.tech/
# [KevinMarks] oops, did I deploy before committing?
# jamietanna[m] Ooh good spot snarfed, having the code available may help me track down whether I've got my markup wrong
# [KevinMarks] ah, I had commited but not synced
# [KevinMarks] it is, yes
# [KevinMarks] that was my quick way of not sending for all the headers, but it does impose an mf2 requirement
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[tantek] Thread and new account some folks here may be interested in, since keeping old(er) machines working is a part of ownership/ independence: https://twitter.com/righttopreserve/status/1171447536227246080
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@RightToPreserve Hi, @ShortFormErnie of @readtedium here. Did you know that if you use an old computer or operating system, there’s a chance it may not be able to get online without a lot of extra work? (twitter.com/_/status/1171447536227246080)
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# ShokuninDiscord[ Potentially interesting for Permaweb too actually
# ShokuninDiscord[ Because certs expire?
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[schmarty] ooh there's a whole page: https://indieweb.org/https_admin_tax
# ShokuninDiscord[ Thanks!
# jamietanna[m] kevinmarks snarfed: thanks, that explains it. Would you be happy with a PR to extend it to not just `e-content`? Just so it can pick up any of the other links
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# jamietanna[m] Also it may not pick up links within my /mf2/ posts as they're not wrapped in e-content hmm
# [snarfed] jamietanna: i assume you've considered others like https://telegraph.p3k.io/ and https://webmention.app/ ?
# jamietanna[m] When I had a look at telegraph it looked like I needed to know all the links I wanted to send up front, which was one of the things I wanted to avoid if possible
# jamietanna[m] I'll look into webmention.app again tho!
# [snarfed] jamietanna use telegraph's target_domain https://telegraph.p3k.io/api#send
# jamietanna[m] Looks like I'll still need to know the domains up front, no worries, was kinda hoping I could get away without writing any HTML parsing :D
# jamietanna[m] Ah I've always read the docs for webmention.app with the `/check` not actually sending them - but definitely user error, thanks!
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@swyx ↩️ image hosting!
rss feed!
og tags!
dark theme!
private posts! (either author-only journal mode, or posts that readers have to login to see, optionally be a subscriber aka @SubstackInc)
generate audio file and publish as podcast!
webmentions!
text-to-blog! (twitter.com/_/status/1171495541533859843)
# @dev_nikema ↩️ @BekoPharm I didn’t get a message ☹️ Was it about WebMentions? (twitter.com/_/status/1171496726751936512)
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# jamietanna[m] `curl -i -X POST 'https://webmention.app/check/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jvt.me%2F'` doesn't seem to be working for me 🤔 I'm getting `
{"urls":[]}` when there's definitely some links on that pagedougbeal|mb1, [Will_Monroe], [fluffy], [Lewis_Cowles] and [schmarty] joined the channel
# jamietanna[m] Does it need to be a feed maybe? Not a raw url?
# jamietanna[m] Nope `curl -i -X POST 'https://webmention.app/check/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jvt.me%2Ffeed.xml'` still isn't happy
# jamietanna[m] `curl -i -X GET 'https://webmention.app/check?url=https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/10/webmentions-on-deploy/'`looks good, there seems to be some latency with the POST, so not sure if there are too many requests to send?
# jamietanna[m] Ooh the POST returned me:
# jamietanna[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/UivIjlJcoyjwIeojYpQjeYkQ >
# jamietanna[m] But when doing a GET before I did manage to get it returning all the right links
# jamietanna[m] Ah no it doesn't pick up the syndication links, nor does https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2a3d25be-b02d-4a58-bb84-f68300701bc1/ work (which isn't wrapped in an `e-content` or a `p-content`
# jamietanna[m] So may need to wrap things in `e-content`!
# jamietanna[m] So my /mf2/ posts don't have the syndication links in the h-entry, so that's definitely an issue with them
# jamietanna[m] php.microformats.io/?url=https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/10/webmentions-on-deploy/ shows that the page has the syndication links, but webmention.app doesn't seem to be picking them up
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@BekoPharm ↩️ Oh no :( I run it manually again using curl and I got '{"status":"queued","summary":"Webmention was queued for processing"[...]webmention/JHUlgCm6cwsz0AzxOKqU"' so I guess it's in the queue. Endpoint looks fine so no idea what happened on the first try. (twitter.com/_/status/1171538387242668033)
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# [KevinMarks] Yes, I'm open to changes by pr
# jamietanna[m] KevinMarks cool thanks!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk ^
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# [Ramiro_Ruiz] I was also looking into webmention.app about the possibility to help me send the web mention needed to bridgy adding the `<a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter”></a>” link to get automatic syndication to twitter, because my micropub doesn’t send web mentions. But webmention.app is not getting the link from my note
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jacky https://webmention.app/test might be able to help [Ramiro_Ruiz]