#dev 2019-09-12

2019-09-12 UTC
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[KevinMarks] @t maybe this can be a push for us to update the rel registry https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/09/evolving-nofollow-new-ways-to-identify.html
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vika_nezrimaya [KevinMarks]: Something like await Promise.all(input.files.map(file => fetch(<...>))).then(responses => responses.map(response => urls.push(<...>))); return urls;?
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[schmarty] vika_nezrimaya: http://h2vx.com/ics/ will convert an h-feed of h-event into an ICS format
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[schmarty] so if you have an h-feed of (reposted) h-events, that proxy will make them add-to-calendarable
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[schmarty] oops, just saw your goodnight message in another channel.
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[schmarty] !tell vika_nezrimaya http://h2vx.com/ics/ will convert an h-feed of h-event into an ICS format. so if you have an h-feed of (reposted) h-events, that proxy will make them add-to-calendarable
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@wearewebclerks Did you know that the #webclerks site supports webmentions too? Send us a like (or like this tweet) to join these awesome people! Also, get a ticket - they're selling fast ;) https://webclerks.at/ (twitter.com/_/status/1172082072845987840)
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Loqi vika_nezrimaya: [schmarty] left you a message 8 hours, 46 minutes ago: http://h2vx.com/ics/ will convert an h-feed of h-event into an ICS format. so if you have an h-feed of (reposted) h-events, that proxy will make them add-to-calendarable
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vika_nezrimaya It seems like Redis is the best solution for geospatial applications (e.g. venue query), since it implements georadius calculations natively
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Zegnat vika_nezrimaya: don’t most dbs have something these days? I seem to recall a whole spatial extension for MariaDB
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vika_nezrimaya no thanks I heard enough about MySQL :3
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vika_nezrimaya rn I'm using redis but maybe I want to migrate to flat files
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vika_nezrimaya and not use Redis
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vika_nezrimaya but then I'll have to make a geospatial index myself
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vika_nezrimaya anyway, either I'm using Mongo and getting hacked (lol) or I'm using Redis as a cache and geospatial index with flat files
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vika_nezrimaya wait, can I use ElasticSearch index as a database?
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beko[m] Interesting. Got a failed Star over Bridgy Github due to `enabled OAuth App access restrictions`. Didn't know that's possible.
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jacky aperture's source feels so simple
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[schmarty] vika_nezrimaya - looks like the web ring app is having trouble connecting to your site: ```https://fireburn.ru/%7C2019-09-12 13:55:19|{"status":0,"error":"Problem checking site link: RequestError: Error: write EPROTO 139687147210560:error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure:../deps/openssl/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:802:\n"}```
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[schmarty] SSL/TLS protcol issues 🤔
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jacky yeah looks like SSL is still being served
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jacky just disabling that and opting for TLS should fix it
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jacky TLS 1.1 or higher
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jacky right now, I'm still wondering if I should do some more fancy discovery work
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jacky I'm hoping to have a demo before I leave for twitchcon
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jacky TIL that DuckDuckGo has a search api in JSON
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jacky https://api.duckduckgo.com/?q=indieweb&format=json&pretty=1
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jacky (mostly for instant answer it seems)
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@schnarfed ↩️ bridgy already does this! it follows reply chains, sends every tweet back as a webmention, and includes a u-in-reply-to link to the direct parent tweet as well as to your web site post. example: curl https://brid.gy/comment/twitter/schnarfed/1145113483161161729/1145117421994307584 (twitter.com/_/status/1172180748788387841)
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@schnarfed ↩️ bridgy already does this! it follows reply chains, sends every tweet back as a webmention, and includes a u-in-reply-to link to the direct parent tweet as well as to your web site post. example: curl https://brid.gy/comment/twitter/schnarfed/1145113483161161729/1145117421994307584 (twitter.com/_/status/1172180748788387841)
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[tantek] This is a great incremental o
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[tantek] "own your tweets" thread: https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1171421627650887681
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@zachleat trying to own my twitter content and host my tweets on my personal web site and I accidentally built a very fast HTML-first twitter client—oops (alt: an example of how a thread renders) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEG5wjMX4AAEEAQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1171421627650887681)
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[tantek] Twitter << Examples of how to own your tweets: https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1171421627650887681
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@zachleat trying to own my twitter content and host my tweets on my personal web site and I accidentally built a very fast HTML-first twitter client—oops (alt: an example of how a thread renders) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEG5wjMX4AAEEAQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1171421627650887681)
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Loqi ok, I added "Examples of how to own your tweets: https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1171421627650887681" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=64905&oldid=64879
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jacky hm does bridgy support sending video to Twitter?
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jacky I'm going to check my logs in a few (not by desk) but https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/11a18abc-ccfb-47ca-859e-1434fac89190 hasn't sent anything to twitter
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[snarfed] jacky: yes. https://brid.gy/about#video
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[snarfed] looks like you put u-video on a jpeg: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/11a18abc-ccfb-47ca-859e-1434fac89190
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Loqi Got a new video over at https://jacky.wtf/youtube! Go peep and lemme know what you think below [video]
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jacky that's def wrong lol
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jacky hm I guess poster gets precedence over a child having src
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beko[m] [snarfed]: I wonder… is it possible to e.g. like something on Github and simply post that also on TW as article via Bridgy? When I try I get error that XY was not found on TW. Naturally, it's not there 😕 Making the post twice clutters everything up even more. So for now I make this manually (or edit the post later when it was sent to TW first)
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[snarfed] beko: sorry, trying to follow. TW is...twitter?
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[snarfed] what's your bridgy github user page URL?
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beko[m] yeah
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beko[m] `bekoli`
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[snarfed] thanks!
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[snarfed] re twitter, sorry, no, bridgy doesn't support cross posting a reply to one silo onto a different silo. discussion: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/362
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Loqi [dissolve] #362 syndicate posts despite "Could not find a tweet to reply to."
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[snarfed] and re your failed star earlier today, looks like the HTTP response body to your webmention POST included the error explanation: "Although you appear to have the correct authorization credentials,
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[snarfed] the `OkunaOrg` organization has enabled OAuth App access restrictions, meaning that data
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[snarfed] access to third-parties is limited."
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beko[m] yeah… stared it manually and ignored it. Just didn't know that this is possible
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beko[m] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/362#issuecomment-73728017 this is how I do it now
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beko[m] I see, read https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb and can follow 👍️
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jacky video posting just worked! :)
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jacky this is interesting
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jacky I could use Instagram to send a video to twitter, my site and into the fediverse all in one go
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beko[m] 😎
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jacky I'm starting to think that I want to progressive load the replies to posts on my site
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jacky like the first 10 likes, 10 replies etc
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jacky but that's a fear of it being slow
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[KevinMarks] Measure it? Or do the promise stuff we were talking about?
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jacky I can measure it before doing anything elsed
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jacky promises won't help here because it's mostly I/O and too much I/O will become noticeably slow
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[KevinMarks] Server side i/o?
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[KevinMarks] That promises article by Jake had a good walk through of incrementally loading a sequence of stuff.
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[KevinMarks] If your server side i/o is too slow vs network then you may be storing things inefficiently
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[snarfed] is it too slow now? if not, maybe wait? optimize when something is actually slow, not just when you suspect it might be slow at some point in the future
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[snarfed] intuition about performance is usually difficult at best
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jacky nah like
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jacky I think it looks slow because I'm watching logs
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jacky and it might also be an inefficient storage approach (all of the webmention and entry data isn't stored on disk; it's stored remotely)
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jacky so to load a photo that has like 150 likes, 40 replies and 3 photos in the set, that'd be 194 HTTP calls (one extra for the underlying MF2 of the post)
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jacky I _am_ working to make it read from disk but tbh I think I might be just pre-optimizing
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jacky https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-09-12/1568307780462300
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Loqi [jacky] but that's a fear of it being slow
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jacky :)
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[KevinMarks] The promises.All thing was about whether you chain all the i/o or spawn it in parallel. (I'm not sure if you are working in js anyway).
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[grantcodes] I'd work on the storage first. Why are likes not attached to the post in some way?
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[KevinMarks] This article - it explains it in js terms, but the broader ideas make sense too https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/primers/promises
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[tantek] "work on the storage first" yes! well, after the UX design 🙂
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[tantek] "Why are likes not attached to the post in some way?" oh boy. paging [schmarty] for the whole discussion we had about this at IWS
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[snarfed] but also more importantly, 194 http calls seems like too many, regardless of anything server side. (network generally matters more than your backend/storage code unless it's egregious.) looks like you already collapse the like/repost facepiles. consider lazy loading their images?
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] here I've been worrying about reading from one file vs two (or three) to render a post 😂 — without making *any* HTTP calls from the server
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[grantcodes] Ah, are the network requests from avatars? If so that is different to what I was thinking about
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[schmarty] i most of that traffic refers to loading avatar images, which is an interesting thing to try to optimize. lazy-load is good in some circumstances.
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[snarfed] lazyload++ https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/12512
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Loqi lazyload has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi [snarfed] #12512 Lazy loading: use new HTML `loading` attribute (eventually)
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[schmarty] ponders inlined SQIP for facepiles
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vika_nezrimaya hey [schmarty] so I saw your message in the scrollback
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vika_nezrimaya SSL protocol errors you say...
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vika_nezrimaya Do you think that's my configuration mistake or yours?
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vika_nezrimaya I'm kinda new to configuring nginx so I might've done something wrong
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vika_nezrimaya Running ssllabs.com test right now
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vika_nezrimaya And i got an A. My cipher strength has some room for improvement but overall it's fine, and I even support TLS 1.3!
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vika_nezrimaya I don't support anything lower than TLS 1.2 though
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[schmarty] i think the issue is that glitch may not support only TLS 1.2/1.3?
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[schmarty] i don't maintain the platform, just the nodejs code that runs atop it :}
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vika_nezrimaya Oops! I seem to not have HSTS
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vika_nezrimaya ok maybe you can file a bug with glitch?
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[Lewis_Cowles] any rubyists in?
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jacky just the mf2
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jacky I'll write about it more but only info is stored; no remote media (like media in replies or h-cards) are stored
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[tantek] vika we might have someone here that works for Glitch ;)
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ShokuninDiscord[ Meetup tonight?
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jacky !tell vika_nezrimaya what's your site's URL (the glitch one, not the one with the branded domain)? I don't think Glitch has HSTS enabled for sub-domain projects if custom domains are enabled
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next