#dev 2019-09-13

2019-09-13 UTC
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[tantek] Shokunin it’s Thursday :)
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vika_nezrimaya Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi vika_nezrimaya: jacky left you a message 8 hours, 19 minutes ago: what's your site's URL (the glitch one, not the one with the branded domain)? I don't think Glitch has HSTS enabled for sub-domain projects if custom domains are enabled
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vika_nezrimaya jacky: I don't host on Glitch, I'm a proud owner of a laptop-server and a broadband connection with a static IP
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vika_nezrimaya nginx+uwsgi+python+redis is my stack
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vika_nezrimaya these two messages were separate
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jgmac1106 grrrrrr I think cloudlinux https://www.cloudlinux.com/ is throwing a 403 for my vacation photos: jgregorymcverry.com/photos/oceancity2019
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jgmac1106 I know the photos are big and I would like to use scrscet but the entire idea of doing all the post production editing to get three images for every imag…never will happen…owning your imgs is hard
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jgmac1106 !tell snarfed I put my Reclaim Hosting sites behind cloudfare to expiremtn and see if I can get Bridgy working again. Let me know next steps
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[grantcodes] I don't see 403s on that link? Is it just some photos?
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jgmac1106 yeah the phots themselves
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jgmac1106 the smaller ones get served
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jgmac1106 they are all working now
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jgmac1106 weird, must have been just the data transfer that tripped up cloudlinux
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jgmac1106 it was an FTP permission setting actually
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[grantcodes] Take a look at https://images.weserv.nl/ for on the fly resizing. I use it in together and it seems solid.
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jgmac1106 grantcodes++
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Loqi grantcodes has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (44 in all channels)
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@sl007 ↩️ Thank You. That's a start. "registerProtocolHandler"= major important to give the user a convenient feeling with independent protocols. E.g. for indieAuth or a "toot"-button you do not need to enter your url again and again. It's in the browser. Major problem is visibility (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1172475239764287489)
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jgmac1106 !mf2 http://jgregorymcverry.com/oceancity2019.html
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Foceancity2019.html
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GWG Good morning
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Loqi happy day
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beko[m] o/
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[manton] Currently going through review with Facebook again to get Micro.blog re-approved to post to Facebook pages. I know Bridgy has already given up on Facebook and I think I may need to also... Anyone have thoughts? It's frustrating to keep going through this every year with a company who doesn't care about their API.
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[snarfed] [manton] yup
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Loqi [snarfed]: jgmac1106 left you a message 2 hours, 50 minutes ago: I put my Reclaim Hosting sites behind cloudfare to expiremtn and see if I can get Bridgy working again. Let me know next steps
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[snarfed] pages seem like a very minority use case. how many m.b users use a page to interact on FB? 1%? maybe not worth it?
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[snarfed] maybe worth it if you really want non-people (companies, orgs, etc) to use m.b effectively and syndicate. otherwise...meh
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[manton] Thanks. Yeah, it's not many people but I do hear from some of them when it stops working. Feels like more trouble than it's worth at this point.
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] great!
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jgmac1106 yeah and pages are so downplayed in the timeline algorithims most companies have stopped updating…never knwo if pages in favor or out of favor
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jgmac1106 i feel for you. Your micro.blog feed is just a stream of feature requests
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[manton] Heh. I like feature requests! What I don't like is trying to explain to a reviewer at Facebook how Micro.blog works and why it's useful to post to a blog. 🙂
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[manton] I may try one more time and then I'll follow [snarfed]'s lead and let it go.
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GWG [manton]: I still am looking for a feature to POSSE to Micro.blog explicitly, rather than using a jsonfeed or RSS feed
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jgmac1106 you need to write a micropub solution in WP GWG correct?
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[manton] You can use Micropub but I think the missing piece that @GWG needs it to be able to get the Micro.blog permalink for a post in the timeline via the API.
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petermolnar [manton]: which one is "simpler" to get approved for on FB - PESOS or POSSE?
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petermolnar because while POSSE should be the way, if it doesn't work, there could at least still be a PESOS pull in
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jgmac1106 Yeah I syndicate anything with #mb to micro.blog but then forget it doesn’t show in main timeline, does it.
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[manton] [petermolnar_] Good question, I haven't looked much at PESOS and Facebook. That is probably easier to get approved, though... It's making new posts that they have really locked down.
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jgmac1106 petermolnar not sure you can download the json any scheduled way…it’s the entire thing. cleverdevil did it well with his wife’s ditchbook
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petermolnar that is archive export; PESOS would be "read my own content" from an application
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jgmac1106 and instagram..so not sure abotu facebook, decided you don’t own the comments on your post, so the backfeed of that is tough
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jgmac1106 ohh hmmmm, interesting
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jgmac1106 wonders if this still works: https://ifttt.com/applets/dd8vis2p-archive-all-of-your-status-updates-in-google-drive
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jgmac1106 a lot of recipes for facebook and this app in IFTT: https://www.unforgettable.me/
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petermolnar IG to RSS works with this: https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge so there is a way
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Loqi [RSS-Bridge] rss-bridge: The RSS feed for websites missing it
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petermolnar "you don’t own the comments on your post" - well, this is one of the tricky topics even in indieweb circles; I tend to agree with it. What you do own is the notification you got, and nobody should say a word if you only link to the comments in my opinion.
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jgmac1106 yeah it is interesting to listen to different opinions on it, where as I may not own the comment but if say your site has a CC-BY-SA O can cite it….I just go with take it down if ask
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jgmac1106 it was interesting listening to the Google Data team at NYC and here how different companies where handling it
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beko[m] <jgmac1106 "and instagram..so not sure abotu"> when you export "your data" via takeout from FB you only get your own comments as well. This is not true for messages tho. Here I get sender and content as well.
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jgmac1106 …i made the mistake of downloading the html version and not the json version
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jgmac1106 if I have to use quotes in the alt text do I just use HTML entities?
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jgmac1106 !tell petermolnar had random thought about webmentions and privacy in terms of physical analogy. If you mail be back an RSVP I get to keep the response, same for a reply to a letter.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel keep yes, publish not generally
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jgmac1106 interesting, wonder if privacy laws are histroically different there…I really have no idea about the laws on publishing correspondence in US
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aaronpk also there generally isn't enough content in an RSVP to be considered an original work with copyright
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sknebel (even if publishing is not illegal, the expectation of a reply to a letter is probably that it's kept private unless explicitly stated otherwise. of course, a letter is not made public while being sent, while a reply post typically is)
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jgmac1106 all solid points, thx
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[snarfed] backfeed legality/ethics: https://indieweb.org/backfeed#Storage.2C_legal.2C_data_ownership.2C_UX...
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jacky no lie I was wondering what would it take to make a 'replacement' for Facebook pages in the indieweb fashion
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jacky like I want to bring something to market that 1) works, 2) sustainably allows a company/SMB to do stuff and 3) works with the indieweb
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jacky Facebook Pages are _really_ only usable for businesses that push ads or want DDoS-prevention when they handle support/questions
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aaronpk we used to call that building a website
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jacky that's silly lol
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aaronpk i guess the question is what do businesses actually want from facebook pages?
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jacky ^
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jacky the first thing that comes to mind is ad management
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jacky going to go ahead and ask some people on it
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aaronpk i suspect discovery is a big part of it too
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jacky hmm yeah
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jacky woes of the silos
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jacky ahh I just experienced that "Someone is typing a comment" thing on Facebook (asked that question
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jacky it's kind of surreal even though I _know_ it works
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jacky that makes it feel like a real time convo
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jacky yeah it's mostly for discovery and also if you wanna sell you need a page (for both Instagram AND Facebook)
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jacky that's kind of hard to compete with tbh
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jacky but it's not a competition :)
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[manton] I could imagine a tool that describes itself as a great way to build both a Facebook and web presence... It helps you create a Facebook page but behind-the-scenes maintains a web site and always links people out to it. (But how to reach people who just go straight to Facebook and don't think they need anything else?)
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jacky right right
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jacky the hedonic adaption is hard to break
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jacky esp when facebook makes it hard to manage pages outside of their platform
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[manton] Exactly. That's the really frustrating part.
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aaronpk attempts to turn OwnYourGram back on
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aaronpk new approach: every minute it fetches one user's timeline
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aaronpk that should keep me under the rate limit globally, at the cost of potentially getting behind if too many people are using it
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (193 in all channels)
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aaronpk and I still have my polling tier logic in here, so frequent posters will still be checked more often
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@GoNorthStack Serverless IndieAuth #ServerlessIndieAuth #serverless https://piperswe.me/posts/serverless-indieauth/ Via HackerNews https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20966572 (twitter.com/_/status/1172619159282290689)
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aaronpk i also have a bucnh of graphs to monitor this now
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aaronpk uhoh what
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aaronpk hackernews
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aaronpk oh nice, the post is from a few months ago
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@mooreds From HN: "Serverless IndieAuth": https://piperswe.me/posts/serverless-indieauth/. (twitter.com/_/status/1172619977100279809)
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@jbkavungal Serverless IndieAuthhttps://piperswe.me/posts/serverless-indieauth/ (twitter.com/_/status/1172620253970358273)
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[snarfed] aaronpk i have a similar global IG throttle in bridgy and granary, they just globally remember each time they get rate limited and pause IG for 5-10m
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aaronpk i should probably implement a global pause like that
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk ok let's see how that goes
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[pawel_madej] Hello
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[pawel_madej] Which microformats validator do you use recommend? I Used indiewebify.me but there is everything ok a but Google does not see any structured data
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KartikPrabhu [pawel_madej]: I don't think Google shows microformats in its structured data tool afaik
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aaronpk google looks only for specific microformats, and their validator will tell you whether they find them and what is missing
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[pawel_madej] Some time ago i think it showed me something
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: does Google use any mf2? or is it some mf1
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[pawel_madej] It finds nothing at all now after i removed json-ld and kept microformats
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aaronpk i don't think there is a definitive answer
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aaronpk but most of their documentation is about mf1
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[pawel_madej] So it seems better to have this json-ld generated
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aaronpk if you're willing to maintain it, and if all you care about is whether google can parse it, then sure
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[pawel_madej] Well this will be auto generated via liquid template when jekyll will build rest of site So no additional work for me
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aaronpk maintaining templates is still maintenance
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[pawel_madej] Sure but when it is done once it works. Until you do not want to tweak it once more 😉
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jacky nah maintaining templates is so much work
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jacky composition sounds nice and is nice when it works
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jacky but when it breaks?!?
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[KevinMarks] Every silo wants their own format http://www.kevinmarks.com/partialsilos.html
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jacky lock-in--
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Loqi lock-in has -1 karma over the last year
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