#dev 2019-10-09
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk ^^ :)
# KartikPrabhu only title shows up no content
# KartikPrabhu I think you told me this once
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] So Chrome and Safari don’t like my site’s CSS grids unless I put a “width: 100%” on the Grid containers. No idea why but thanks to https://piperhaywood.com/ for the fix!
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[jgmac1106] Good tip
# KartikPrabhu <shurg> I think Chrome/Safari's Grid implementation is broken
# KartikPrabhu anyway thanks for checking
# [jgmac1106] I always forget..don't care.. to check what my pages look like on Safari and Chrome..
# KartikPrabhu yeah me too
# KartikPrabhu specially Safari since I'm on Linux
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk here is how it used to look https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/www-vs-chrome
# Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Funny how my site displays in the emulation of the first browser WorldWideWeb ( https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/browser/ ) but not in the fancy latest Google Chrome! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/l20PhauH67oA0R_ptDVUZxF_V31zWbbWXDD3SXWStpooYbRz39K10foST3l2sg3glOjanZCc5AL9sl3df5Cvjn0V32eWHlllFZtIJXWDsg_aPu3VY7cJ413f0mMxgbGJzsV24OdVhSNKOoh3dmUgJ-SBA7P37MTG9WH435Ze71GOZFx_yD5IrFuITMM0c-_JvC92vgmDfMsLR7epEkorLel25r48xqtxOI0OlKHT4UZoBOpF93cWAJuOP9mZjP4v7HBuQlq0yDZwS-0NmBAHoD4gSB68TkqFhjnMFIKZzg5LOJirTt7TkjLPE8TlXSAxC2KFeXuIgFAujGE3THSac8S6IeXuZTulcztKA3PDrrenJwk86TUFMak9dzDbRjEfpPAC_wtv_zKZ7O0jLW2mbo0lrs-bTbDVx-gzvu82qSR-QlbUUGNO20OY0ZFgcUS-MyMweBAwsF7U1g5choY0MIe8H2VWAvi18JfsO_POSZjZXZqdat0QGrYP30TCsf2BXmeidF3TNR-zzL2sRMfvEuviORuVx5xcjCPejOMaUpR2cJ0HdDiSpKOFp0qCqTBasRS-exhBmM9Y9GaLoVJPxv6rY4RBqn6jrhmm31GXT9AnltPHrZhg--qTQIv-apzAdZxLWiWgNeto94l2K5z-Vo2Tj7u5M8DL=w604-h571-no
# KartikPrabhu aarrgh!!! forgot about that :P
# [jgmac1106] Kartik interesting design for hansling your nav putting it into the paragraph... Been toying with my nav vis-a-vis flexbox and haven't landed on anything I really like
# KartikPrabhu I don't put navigation in a paragraph!?
# [jgmac1106] Sorry not in the element sense I meant the copy, "some of the latest notes or latest articles below" etc
# KartikPrabhu oh! yeah
# KartikPrabhu that was just for "new people"
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# [jgmac1106] I had the typical javascript hamburger collapse but broke it somehow... Taking chance to explore non javascript approaches
# KartikPrabhu if you need a hamburger then there is too much navigation, specially for small blog-ish sites
# [jgmac1106] Your site made me think I could do a navbar on desktop and narrative nav on mobile
# KartikPrabhu I do have a nav bar too but at the bottom
# [jgmac1106] Currently just switching flexbox between horizontal and vertical
# KartikPrabhu and that does use flexbox
# KartikPrabhu aside: you probably don't want to scale font-size with browser height
# KartikPrabhu for main text
# [jgmac1106] Need to increase the vim of my font-size
# [jgmac1106] Ooh really? Been lovong viewport font sizes. Been easiest approach I have found for responsove font
# [jgmac1106] Will remove font size from body
# [jgmac1106] Curious as to why? I trust your CSS skills more than most so will make change blindly just wondering why
# KartikPrabhu well, I just un-maximized by browser and noticed I suddenly couldn't read :P
# KartikPrabhu it is good to scale font-size with viewport size, but not sure the viewport height is the best yardstick
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@miklb Nice to see @Paul_Kinlan add Webmentions to his static site. With a nice post on how he does it with Hugo. https://paul.kinlan.me/using-web-mentions-in-a-static-sitehugo-/ (twitter.com/_/status/1181731342154948608)
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# [jgmac1106] ooh makes me want to halloween my css..creeepy font here we come
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[Lewis_Cowles] [snarfed] ++
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jeremycherfas Accessibility testing is telling me I need Labels on my forms, aside from the placeholder text. But I do not want those labels to display on screen. Do I use aria-label="label"?
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# jeremycherfas To answer my own question: yes. Thank you, rubber ducks.
# [Lewis_Cowles] devils advocate, aren’t placeholders for something else?
# jeremycherfas Maybe. The way I see it (and I recognise what I have just said, the placeholder shows you where you could put something, and can even indicate what that thing should be. Accessibility wants the screen reader to know what it should say, and apparently not all screen readers read the placeholder.
# jeremycherfas Does that make sense?
# [Lewis_Cowles] 👍
# [Lewis_Cowles] tbf today someone (rightly) pointed out that I’d used span title= where abbr and time elements would be much more contextual. Give me back HTML 3
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[grantcodes] I generally use placeholders more as an example eg the label would be "your url" and the placeholder might be "example.com". But there should always be a label, even if it is visually hidden
# jeremycherfas I was thinking that when you posted it, but I am no expert. Just feeling my way.
# [Lewis_Cowles] we all are [jeremycherfas]
# [Lewis_Cowles] [jeremycherfas] ++
# jeremycherfas The placeholder is "Search" and the label is "Search text".
# jeremycherfas Seems similar.
# jeremycherfas Gotta run.
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[schmarty] jeremycherfas: using placeholders alone has some pretty big impacts for folks that don't use screenreaders: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/form-design-placeholders/
# [grantcodes] That's ui not the actual placeholder, but yes there is a lot to consider
# [Lewis_Cowles] [grantcodes] ++
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# [jeremycherfas] Thanks [schmarty], I think. My specific use case seems OK.
# [snarfed] have you seen https://health.color.com/ ? it has a couple example dashboards that we've made for specific health systems. we could definitely do something similar focused on pharma, clinical trials, etc too!
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[tantek] accessibility << default to sans serif: https://twitter.com/leoniewatson/status/1181968960746594307
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@LeonieWatson @glyphe It has been found that sans-serif fonts improve readability for people with reading/learning difficulties like Dyslexia http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/sites/default/files/good_fonts_for_dyslexia_study.pdf @mmatuzo (twitter.com/_/status/1181968960746594307)
# Loqi ok, I added "default to sans serif: https://twitter.com/leoniewatson/status/1181968960746594307" to the "See Also" section of /accessibility https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=65369&oldid=64712
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# [Lewis_Cowles] [tantek] ++
# [Lewis_Cowles] one of my niches is working with people with differing abilities. There was another study, but still people always push back with more studies about serif’s… How can more information be easier to process is how I keep it in my head
# ShokuninDiscord[ Snarfed did you work for Color, the photo app?
# [snarfed] shokunin lol no, definitely not. color the biotech company. 😁 https://www.color.com/
# ShokuninDiscord[ Hahaha
# ShokuninDiscord[ There was a photo app called color before
# ShokuninDiscord[ Around 2010
# ShokuninDiscord[ Funded by Sequoia
# ShokuninDiscord[ 😆
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# [Lewis_Cowles] I’d love to see a dashboard of the total amount VC’s have funded
# [Lewis_Cowles] Be great to break it down by year, and as a % of WDP
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# ShokuninDiscord[ You’d have to break it down by tiers
# ShokuninDiscord[ Otherwise you’d see silly stuff like Uber refinancing
# ShokuninDiscord[ Or like AMC being sold
# ShokuninDiscord[ The later the round the more it looks like a loan
# [jgmac1106] check crunchbase
# [jgmac1106] prolly got more than 41 mil out of apple dunno: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/color-labs#section-overview
# [Lewis_Cowles] the thing you’d need is really going to be something governmental
# [Lewis_Cowles] you cannot trust private corps to report honestly
# [Lewis_Cowles] The startup I work at was telling me of some “tricks”
# [Lewis_Cowles] they are all fully legal but it’d not really the valuations claimed if it’s not liquid
# [jgmac1106] revenue is the only trick I like if trying to raise a round,
# [jgmac1106] all valuations are myths but registered firms will report raises to where crunchbase is closeish
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# [jgmac1106] Apple $7M on Nov 12, 2012. This deal was done in Cash & Stock....Sequoia got hosed...
# [jgmac1106] just one year after 41 million raise
# [jgmac1106] guess this more chat then dev
# [Lewis_Cowles] 👍
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[KevinMarks] Small sample size in that font study.
# [KevinMarks] And they didn't really normalise for weight
# [KevinMarks] This was in 2013 on a single density screen at 14pt. They don't describe the font renderer, so don't know if they were using msft style pixel snapping or apple style greying.
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# [jgmac1106] Even worse than the sample size, which yes is too small for Bonferonni...or almost all regression models, but age range 11-50....
# [jgmac1106] We have a Dyslexia Research Center. I Can ask around for font studies...quite interesting
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# [KevinMarks] I spent a while looking for research on this when I wrote my font lightness rant, and there wasn't much.
# [KevinMarks] I bet the legibility correlates with black pixels in the image for that study
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] here: https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog#features
# [jgmac1106] this was my first attempt to fix: https://github.com/microdotblog/theme-arabica/pulls
# [tantek] more like this: https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog#Microformats_in_Themes
# [jgmac1106] okay I didn't know if I had to go down multiple levels in the fragments, thx, always wondered
# [jgmac1106] thx
# [jgmac1106] well back to getting the NYC pics up
# [jgmac1106] actually should do some posts about microformats for the micro.blog crowd, many customize themes or download hugo themes and don't understand the role of mf2 in making everything work