#dev 2019-10-20
2019-10-20 UTC
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[snarfed] aaronpk when someone gives webmention.io a twitter URL, you're welcome to use bridgy's converter if you want, just needs a URL transformation. https://brid.gy/about#source-urls
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# [snarfed] discovered via https://mastodon.social/@jkreeftmeijer/101245063526942536
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Loqi [Jeff Kreeftmeijer] Got it. This is how federation works.You need the local ID for the status you’re replying to. https://mastodon.social/@jkreeftmeijer/101236371751163533 is posted on https://mastodon.social, but you need the ID from https://mastodon.technology/web/s...
# [snarfed] (you can also GET /api/v1/instance on the URL's domain to see if it's mastodon, but you wouldn't get your local instance's id for it, which you need if you want to POSSE a response to it)
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[fluffy] for example http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/7221-Gah
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# [Lewis_Cowles] Not sure it's dev as it's essentially adding meta-tags, but I got web-mentions on my site today. I made the perhaps odd choice to put them on all generated pages
# [Lewis_Cowles] used webmention.io
# [Lewis_Cowles] I don't want to go programming systems until I understand the indieweb a lot better
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[Rose] This is the one I’m using, in case I broke it: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/150421bd1d7842869d64da870297782c
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# [Lewis_Cowles] vscode PHP debugging pro-tip. Don't use empty lines 😂
# [Lewis_Cowles] All I wanted to know was can it be an interactive debugger like pdb. The answer still seems to be no
# [Rose] * [Fetch MicroPub Endpoint](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/e3680cea46c74492b0b88366d5a5e78f)
# [Rose] * [Get IndieAuth Token](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/24f7b4eb708b4aa094a8d0fc2b5fdcaf)
# [Rose] * [MicroPub Post](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/02cae0afe95f43078708a80e88fb68a8)
# [Rose] * [Fetch Media Endpoint](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/e3680cea46c74492b0b88366d5a5e78f)
# [Rose] * [Media Endpoint Upload](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/470b70536c1d4f0299f7edac4304bcc6)
# [Rose] * [Fetch Syndication Targets](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/98adff9520d5439e868c1d1355aa5c47)
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# [Rose] known working (and following spec) indieauth shortcut: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/f8e7b48172ab4585ad3f69fce065dd06
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# [Lewis_Cowles] today I'm working on encrypted content. I may only get a walking skeleton or convoluted example working
# [Lewis_Cowles] ```
# [Lewis_Cowles] <section data-encrypted-content-href="fqdn" cipher="RSA-4096">
# [Lewis_Cowles] </section>
# [Lewis_Cowles] <!-- Fallback HTML -->
# [Lewis_Cowles] ```
# [Lewis_Cowles] After modifying that plugin https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/242562/screenshots/7684433/media/b0741950ee797135c0c8831acdb10909.png, I don't think it's useful, or that providing the encrypted content for those that don't want it will do much more than waste bytes
# [Rose] Better Media Upload: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/c2d8710f2617469280e17181e9b0d179
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[jgmac1106] any project left of my website is too big and past my understanding for a single hack day (micropub endpoint, send, receive, display webmentions) guess I could return to adding a guestbook....may just continue the code break and push a bunch of content
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# [jgmac1106] excited for this: https://github.com/idno/known/pull/2536 thx jbove
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# [snarfed] [fluffy] nice! next: link to the u-url instead of the source url. https://brid.gy/about#appspot
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petermolnar [Rose]: I forgot to mention, I have an auto (to OS)/hand set dark/light theme switcher on my site and I'm happy to help with that, should you ever need it.
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aaronpk this was the original webmention they attempted that failed https://webmention.io/andy-bell.design/webmention/1_-J54iEdKi7HM-JN8SY
# aaronpk but that didn't work: https://webmention.io/andy-bell.design/webmention/59rwfgRIC81kDe6Bo7h2
# [snarfed] you can use your username: https://brid.gy/post/twitter/aaronpk/1180072044890902529 ...but it won't do the right original post discovery to get the target link in there
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# [snarfed] aaronpk: this one works: https://brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/1179046764218847233/1180072044890902529 ...but that first (extra) number in the URL is id of the in-reply-to-tweet, which you can't get just from a URL transformation. you'd need to fetch the tweet (API or however) to find it.
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# petermolnar the trouble with the toggle is that you need to store the setting
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# [Lewis_Cowles] finally tested encrypt / decrypt working with in-browser plugin + changed styling. Need to work on non-PGP message signing, separate network resource encrypted message(s), testing rich content
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[dmitshur] does anyone know the correct HTTP status code to use when serving a request where the host is invalid/unsupported? is it 404 or is there a more specific status code for "host not found"?
# [dmitshur] a host where no website exists
# [dmitshur] but the DNS happens to be pointing at some server
# [dmitshur] I'm not finding anything more specific than 404 but wanted to ask in case I overlooked something
# [dmitshur] because that was the most reasonable thing I could think of. what do you suggest instead?
# [dmitshur] the server exists and hosts multiple hosts. so it's a question of what to do when the request host is not one of the ones it serves.
# [dmitshur] serves* multiple hosts
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dougbeal Would a diagnostic/error page be useful? i.e. http://asoshared.com
# [dmitshur] interesting option, I haven't thought about that. it's viable, but I think I'd prefer a simpler and more empty response, at least for now.
# [dmitshur] I'm fine with 404, I just wanted to check if there was maybe something more specific (e.g., like there's 405 for when the method is unsupported).
# [dmitshur] thanks
# [Lewis_Cowles] 4xx suggests it's the client at fault
# [dmitshur] it is kinda their fault for making a request to a host that doesn't exist. it's certainly not the server's fault.
# [Lewis_Cowles] it is in my view 100% the server admin fault
# [Lewis_Cowles] but also I can see how the requester shares responsibility
# [dmitshur] who is the server admin of e.g. https://thiswebsitedoesnotexist.com ? if you do GET https://thiswebsitedoesnotexist.com it's the client's fault IMO.
# [Lewis_Cowles] try example.com AFAIK its protected against registration
# [Lewis_Cowles] if that is a case
# [dmitshur] similarly it's the client's fault when they do a GET https://example.com/thispagedoesnotexist.html, and they get a 404
# [Lewis_Cowles] there is no reason to expect any response at all
# [dmitshur] agreed. but if I'm in a position to serve a response, it's better to serve an error than 200 ok.
# [Lewis_Cowles] how would the client get this undesired server URL?
# [dmitshur] I don't know. they probably wouldn't. but they if do, by trying URLs made of random strings
# [Lewis_Cowles] would deny, not be a better pattern? http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_access_module.html
# [Lewis_Cowles] you could use that on default host and specify named virtualhosts for other services
# [dmitshur] that page sounds like it's more about limiting what clients can access a resource, not about making a resource unavailable to all.
# [Lewis_Cowles] It looks like 403 and 404 are the recommended defaults https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-10.4.4
# [dmitshur] 👍
# [dmitshur] unrelated, I always want to roll my eyes whenever I see the word "permanently" in HTTP specs. as if anything can be truly permanent... it's always relative.
# [dmitshur] more unrelated, sweet, github lets you prepopulate the login value on their sign in form. https://github.com/login?login=foobar
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# [dmitshur] working on my sign in form (to replace https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/login), still a WIP, but here's what I got so far
# [dmitshur] constructive feedback is always welcome. keep in mind I'm transitioning from GitHub as the only sign in provider, so for now I want to prioritize that. over time, I'll consider de-emphasizing signing in via github.
# [dmitshur] my goal is let people who want to login via github continue to be able to do that, but also give an opportunity to someone who gets curious like "wait a minute, I can sign in with my own shorter URL instead of github.com/blah...!? let me learn about this indieauth thing."
# [dmitshur] so, I should probably make it a hyperlink 😛
# [dmitshur] (done)
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# [snarfed] [dmitshur] cool! not working for me with https://snarfed.org though, i get 405 Method Not Allowed. method should be GET
# [dmitshur] it's just an HTML page, it's not functional yet. I'm working on the HTML/CSS
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# [dmitshur] "https://you.example" is kinda long though. maybe I should use "https://you.com" as the example.
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gRegorLove I like "example.com" in those, personally
# gRegorLove Looking good!
# [dmitshur] hmm, should I use "github.com/example" too then? to match "example.com"
# gRegorLove maybe, or "username". Up to you. I think most will understand either way, though
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# [dmitshur] another option might be "github.com/user" and "user.com"
# [dmitshur] I'll go with example for both for now
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "example" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "example is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# gRegorLove Didn't know about user.example
# gRegorLove Interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.example
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sebsel I draw from https://github.com/sebsel/gimme-a-token/issues/3
# [dmitshur] I'm familiar with that, the problem is that "user.example" doesn't look like a URL to most people, because .example is a rare and unfamiliar TLD. that's why I'll go with example.com for now, it looks more like a URL and it's reserved.
# gRegorLove Yeah, probably makes more sense in technical documentation vs in a UI
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# [dmitshur] what is lwa? https://indieweb.org/lwa is 404
# Loqi Lwa is a in-progress social reader by Jacky Alciné at https://lwa.black.af that aims to provide an adaptive approach to rendering social feeds https://indieweb.org/Lwa
# [dmitshur] oh 😞
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# gRegorLove [jgmac1106], With that note, because you have an e-* (e-content), the parser does not imply the p-name. You could put p-name on the same element as e-content
# Loqi [Loqi] [indienews] New post: https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2019-10-20-2
# aaronpk The post on https://news.indieweb.org/en correctly displays it as a note. Loqi just doesn't copy the text of a note into the IRC notification
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# [jgmac1106] thx
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