#indieweb 2019-10-20

2019-10-20 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] Hooray! I was just invited to give an IndieWeb related talk at WordCamp Riverside! Specific day/time on the weekend of November 8-10 to be determined.
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[Michael_Beckwit Spread that Indie to the WP community
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: I accepted tantek's suggestion I go to WordCamp US. I'll try to spread. But I don't have the charisma [chrisaldrich] does.
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GWG Waiting for sunrise in EEST to see if I got this code right.
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[Michael_Beckwit I have a handful of coworkers going to WCUS
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[Michael_Beckwit i think at least one of them are helping organize
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[chrisaldrich] Charisma doesn't get me very far without your code GWG... Don't sell yourself short.
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[Michael_Beckwit just checked, 2 are coworkers 😄
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Anyone want to come talk about the Indieweb?
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[Michael_Beckwit unsure at the moment, but i will be internally presenting about IW in January. Too late to spark interest for this event, but perhaps another time 😄
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[Michael_Beckwit i’ll try to remember to check monday for who all is going and who may be interested, so I can help them potentially find you
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[tantek] anyone have experience with https://groups.io/ as a place to transfer a group from Yahoo Groups?
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[frank] I am working on a Dutch blogpost about the WP indieauth plugin. I want to give an example why using a silo account as login might be bad in the long run. Does anyone know from the top of their head where an example might be present on the wiki? Like how Facebook changed their terms or otherwise?
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[frank] I am reading up on /indieauth on the wiki of course 😉
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[tantek] [frank] some examples on /why too
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[frank] Thanks Tantek, will read into it
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[frank] I have to say, writing these articles really helps me understanding the technologies and protocols better. It all seemed magic but it's actually code made by humans 😉
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[frank] [aaronpk] For my micropub article I'd like to know what the status is of OwnYourGram. Any idea when it will become active again for new users? Or is there an alternative already?
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petermolnar !tell GWG: the probability of losing (not just rent running out, any factor) one's domain has been bothering me for years, but so far no solution emerged. "Owning" an IP address is not an option either, it's also just rented.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell [tantek]: yesterday evening I came to realize that one of the reasons that drove me to a static, or better call it, pre-generated website was to go have and offline and local workflow, I just never really thought of it as a real factor in the process, but it was part of it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] makes sense petermolnar!
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aaronpk [frank]: I'm not sure yet, because the verification process of signing up is what's being blocked by Instagram. So I have to decide whether to skip verification completely or find some other way
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[tantek] aaronpk, have the user post a QR code that you provide to their IG to sign-up 😂
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aaronpk omg
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[tantek] Today I'm working on adding a minimum viable /service_worker to my site to at least have a friendly offline page to start with, and then enhance from there. Home page. Contact & pay pages precached. Then ???
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Zegnat And I have power so I can also join chat again :D
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[Rose] I have discovered a bug that is not in my Shortcut!
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[Rose] And it turns out that today’s small project may not work
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[frank]1 [aaronpk] Thanks. I just tested OwnYourSwarm. I haven't used my Swarm and Foursquare account in years but managed to login to the apps. But OYS gives and error after web sign-in: "No access token was returned from Foursquare." Any idea how to proceed?
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aaronpk well that's odd
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[frank]1 Well, my complete 4sq profile is rather odd... For some reason my userpage is on and off... https://foursquare.com/user/24766 works but https://foursquare.com/frankmeeuwsen doesn't...
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aaronpk oh that is strange
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aaronpk ah your foursquare needs to be linked to twitter to get a username
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[frank]1 Oh jeez...
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[frank]1 Just disconnected because why would I...
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[frank]1 OK the username is back in my URL. I can connect to Foursquare through OYS, click Allow but get the error from above.
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[frank]1 Also OYS is not in my list of connected apps
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aaronpk i'm checking it out
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[frank]1 :thumbsup:
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aaronpk I think I see what's wrong, can you log in again? (it won't work, but I can debug again)
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[jgmac1106] morning all, good luck everyone on their hack day stuff, think it is a content day for me, have some mozfest videos to make since I will not be there next week
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[frank]1 OK, just a minute
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[frank]1 Just logged in, it didn't work as you said
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aaronpk ok yeah wow
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aaronpk foursquare apparently changed their OAuth API
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aaronpk [frank] can you try again?
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aaronpk should work now
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[frank]1 Yes. I don't get the error message. Now I will test a checkin to see how it works, thanks!
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aaronpk great!
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[frank]1 micropub to site works as well. Without extra plugins it looks rather silly (https://frankmeeuwsen.xyz/2019/10/20/164/ vs https://www.swarmapp.com/frankmeeuwsen/checkin/5dac3cb7089f510007972a05) but we're getting there!
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Loqi [frankmeeuwsen] Groceries https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ae0d61ecec9ba68060523144917aed32?s=100&d=mm&r=g
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[frank]1 Thank you Loqi
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aaronpk that's a good start though!
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[frank]1 Already wrote three Dutch articles on WordPress and Indieweb plugins. I finished the one I wrote during IWC Amsterdam with plugins and some editing. Today I wrote a howto on the IndieAuth plugin and the Micropub plugin. Starting on a Post Kind plugin article. That should cover a first publishing round and get people going on WordPress.
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[frank]1 [tonz] If you're willing, could you read along with the posts (and any other Dutch community member on here!)? I can send you the concepts.
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[frank]1 The way the previous sentence is built, it gives the wrong impression 🙂 If any Dutch community member wants to read along ([sebsel] [Zegnat]) and has some time tonight, please let me know.
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Zegnat knows basically nothing about WordPress
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[frank]1 That's good! So you can read it from a point of view if the information besides how to install and configure is complete enough for a non-developer.
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petermolnar when is demo time? I'll try to make it remotely
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Loqi what
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aaronpk 4pm
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aaronpk in ~2 hours
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petermolnar demos @ IWC Brighton 2019 is at 16:00
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar I don't know how to schedule with Loqi
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petermolnar Loqi --help
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Loqi Loqi has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (26 in all channels)
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar that was not the intended use
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petermolnar sorry, Loqi
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petermolnar Loqi++
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aaronpk what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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aaronpk LOL
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aaronpk literally almost spit out my coffee
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[Rose] what is digital therapist
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "digital therapist" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "digital therapist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Rose] digital therapist is Loqi
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Loqi ok
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[Rose] what is digital therapist
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[tonz] [frank] sure ping me the links
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Loqi digital therapist is Loqi https://indieweb.org/digital_therapist
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[Rose] What is digital therapist
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "digital therapist" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "digital therapist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Rose] digital therapist is /Loqi
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Loqi ok
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[Rose] gregorlove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] my tiny hack day project https://halloween.jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] forgot the time and might as well turn it into an h-event
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petermolnar btw if anyone if out of ideas for project, you can always make your site available over gopher :)
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jbove What is gopher?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gopher" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gopher is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jbove I have nothing to add that is not already on the Wikipedia page for Gopher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29
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jbove This is interesting: https://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/relevance.html
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jbove > The misconception that the modern renaissance of Gopherspace is simply a reaction to "Web overload" is unfortunately often repeated and, while superficially true, demonstrates a distinct lack of insight. From a purely interface perspective, there is no question that Gopher could be entirely "subsumed" under the Web (technical differences to be discussed presently). Very simple HTML menus and careful attention to hierarchy
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jbove would yield an experience very much like a Gopher menu, and some have done exactly that as a deliberate protest against the sensory overload of modern Web 2.0.
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jbove petermolnar Do you run a gopher server?
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petermolnar yes
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petermolnar but from my perspective, it's not really a reaction against the modern web - my site, while using fairly up to date features, like os color scheme checks, is still pretty lightweight. The gopher part is due to my admiration for The Old Tech, to a world I've not experienced during it's haydays.
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jamietanna[m] If anyone wants to join us at OggCamp for my talk about the IndieWeb in about 15 mins, there's a live stream at https://youtu.be/SSLhibEKeG8
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[dougbeal] Oh no, sounds like its the computer mic or something.
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aaronpk oh no the sound is missing
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[dougbeal] I sent a tweet
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petermolnar what's the livestream for demos?
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aaronpk it'll be the red link
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GWG And What Time is demos
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 6 hours, 10 minutes ago: the probability of losing (not just rent running out, any factor) one's domain has been bothering me for years, but so far no solution emerged. "Owning" an IP address is not an option either, it's also just rented.
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sknebel GWG: 11 minutes ago in theory, so... any minute now
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GWG I will just have to watch it on the dl
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dougbeal|mb1 technicaldifficulties--
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Loqi technicaldifficulties has -1 karma over the last year
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[tonz] Things I did on my site this weekend : made default language setting for postings in WordPress match actual language of posting (English Dutch or German), added a piece of text to feed items to indicate they are unlisted in the site, and didn't finish but will later today, add automatic machine translation links to non English feed items.
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Zegnat Hello says adactio. Time for demos. Sorry for the technical delay
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Zegnat adactio worked to do something “with maps”
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Zegnat Wherever you look on his site you will see a list of date-ordered things, all with lat/long coordinate
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Zegnat Decided to do something with that data.
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Zegnat The lat/lon is microformats parsable now.
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Zegnat A script checks for more than 3 of them on the page, if there is, a map will be drawn in the sidebar
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Zegnat “going for that Indiana Jones” feel
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Zegnat It still misses some of the “time thing”. You cannot see where the start and end is of the journey
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Zegnat Pretty happy with the current progress
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Zegnat Looking at September 2019 archive, there is the sparkline and the calendar heat map
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Zegnat So the new addition is a third display: the lat/lon coordinates
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Zegnat He would rather make it a static flat image, but spent 2 hours on that rabbit hole …
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sknebel (Google and thus a bunch of other things copying it require a really weird compact encoding of the lat-long pairs)
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Zegnat Wants to revisit it later, possibly by looking at Atlas
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Zegnat What is Atlas?
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Loqi Atlas is a set of APIs for looking up information about locations, including a timezone lookup, finding the name of a city given a latitude/longitude, finding the current weather at a location, and generating static maps https://indieweb.org/Atlas
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Zegnat By putting it further down the page hopefully the percieved performance of loading it after the fact is good
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Zegnat sebsel: shows a styling change
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Zegnat But the stying change does not carry over well on the projector
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[qubyte] What’s the zoom link for the Brighton presentations?
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sknebel slightly sabotaged by the fact that the projection screen has two black lines roughly where the borders he removed wehere
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Zegnat Also fixed an issue with iPhone photos: on all platforms other than the iPhone it would be upside down
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sknebel [qubyte]: should be https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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Zegnat Next up: jeremycherfas.net
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[qubyte] Thanks!
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Zegnat Got his first thing started last night: an iOS shortcut that lets him share his current location with others
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Zegnat Got hi new theme uploaded
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Zegnat Small things he wants to keep working on: e.g. sticky on the menu bar so it does not scroll away
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Zegnat Changed a lot of structural things. Effectively everything is now a blog post, being sorted by tags to put them on the “correct” pages
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Zegnat Now showing parsing his blog with the Python microformats parser
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Zegnat Seeing a conflict with his CSS framework, where classes can start with microformats prefixes (e.g. h-full for height)
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Zegnat The reason he created this Grav theme was because most of them out there were super configurable. He didn’t need all the configurability.
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petermolnar all I've done since yesterday is fied u-photo to be outside of e-content
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petermolnar *fixed
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sebsel next up Zegnat, vanderven.se/martijn/
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[Rose] And a few technical issues
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sebsel wanted to work on his weight posting
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sebsel had a cheat-start last night, by adding weight to Quill
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[Rose] Demoing sink.zegnat.net
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[Rose] Which he is using to show the demo
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sknebel login into Quill
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sknebel now has a ⚖️ post type
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sknebel where you can put in a weight and a unit
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sknebel and post
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sebsel also did some tweaks to his homepage, new easter eggs are hidden
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sebsel next up calumryan.com
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sebsel did some Micropub things, now bookmarks a page with Omnibear
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sebsel what is Omnibear?
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Loqi Omnibear is a browser extension for posting text notes, replies, and likes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Omnibear
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sebsel now stores the whole object that he receives from Micropub
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sebsel also shows his new dark-mode
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Zegnat Next up qubyte.codes
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Zegnat Did some webmention stuff, also wanting to qualify for a sticket
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Zegnat s/sticket/sticker/
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Zegnat Going to set off the webmention from his iPad, where he set up the Shortcut for Micropubbing
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Zegnat Seeing a demo reply popping up in his glitch app for Micropub. Seeing how Netlify is rebuilding.
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Zegnat Seeing the webmention sender kick in.
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Zegnat Demo reply showed up on Discovery Test #2 right away!
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Zegnat ... has been looking at old blogger lists from Brighton. And found ~70 blogs that still have posted in the last year.
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Zegnat Was also sad to see how some blogs had their final post announcing a death
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Zegnat The web gets older
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Zegnat Next up jtom.me
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Zegnat Indiewebified his website: new h-card, option to login to the wiki.
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Zegnat Has written about one of the sessions that ran yesterday on the wiki. Has also updated his wiki profile page to include many of the ideas he was walking around with
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Zegnat Next up paulrobertlloyd.com
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Zegnat Has been updating the IndieKit stuff for easy Micropub installation
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Zegnat You should now be greeted by an explanation
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cambridgeport90[ Thanks for the reminder; need to update my own wiki page.
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Loqi definitely
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Zegnat First needs to login, uses GPG for this so he can use IndieAuth.com without a tonne of social media accounts for test pages
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Zegnat Showing how the interface will guide the user to set-up the link to GitHub
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Zegnat Not sure the next step - the homepage - works.
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Zegnat Shows an editor that can post to itself
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Zegnat Overall lots of progress
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Zegnat What is IndieKit?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IndieKit
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Zegnat Next up: rosemaryorchard.com
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Zegnat Started with Shortcuts towards WordPress things, finding and squashing bugs as she went
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Zegnat Then continued with her new WordPress theme
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Zegnat The next thing she tried was to get logging in with phone working
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Zegnat She can click a phone icon and she then has to respond to a push notification to login
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Zegnat Also added Sign In with Apple
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Zegnat Treats it as a proof of concept
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Zegnat Also got a start (“a work in progress”) for dark theme
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Zegnat Next up: svenknebel.de
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Zegnat Shows a category on the blog that only contains test micropub posts
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Zegnat Found a Quill bug when Quill stripped animation from his animated GIF
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Zegnat Also tested from mobile with Indiginous, but that did not use the media endpoint and therefor no image showed up
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Zegnat Next up: aaronpk.com
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Zegnat Fixed one super small thing: sebsel kept trying to get to aaronpk on Github through aaronpk.com/github, instead of github.com/aaronpk. So that now works.
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Zegnat Konami code has also been activated on his site
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petermolnar what is Konami Code?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Konami Code" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Konami Code is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat The thing he actually wanted to get done requires him to also show his screen.
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petermolnar Konami Code is an old cheat code that sometimes triggers easter eggs on websites: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Aaron worked on his phone login, and fixed the problem Rose was having: the push notification now shows his actual location.
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Zegnat Also added the sign in with Apple button
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Zegnat Which on his phone will make use of Face ID and imediately sign him in
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Zegnat Next up: tantek.com
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Zegnat He added a service worker to his site, specifically to his homepage
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Zegnat No service worker starting when you go and visit an article directly: you may not want a relationship with the site
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Zegnat Demoing what happens when you are offline
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Zegnat Taking the browser online again, and loading the homepage
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Zegnat A service worker should now have been installed, and have cached parts from the homepage
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Zegnat Service worker did not do what was expected, so live updating firefox
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Zegnat Now that we are in HTTPS land, the demo should work now
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Zegnat Now an offline page is being displayed
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sebsel ServiceWorker works! (with the https version of the site)
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Zegnat It is a custom offline page that shows a little message about the offline status, but also links to the contact and payment pages.
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Zegnat Those pages were immediately cached by the service worker when you visited the homepage and are therefor available
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Zegnat Even if you were offline, or the page was unavailable, the contact options would still have been clickable
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Zegnat One test failed: precaching images hosted on a different domain. Possible? Some resources suggested yes
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sknebel and I totally forgot to credit schmarty for "spano", which "heavily inspired" my code
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The IndieWeb Movement: Owning Your Data and Being the Change You Want to See in the Web" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/20/indieweb-talk/
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petermolnar a bit late to the hacking, but I decided to make a hidden - non-linked - page that shows all photo posts with geo data on a map:
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petermolnar https://petermolnar.net/map.html
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petermolnar and there's a bug: I've never been to Saudi. The picture marked in Saudi was not taken in Saudi. It's marked with the exact same coordinates as the other pictures from the same location, see HTML #1899 in the source. If anyone knows what is going on there, please let me know
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Loqi Peter Molnar
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petermolnar hang on ... it might actually be me fault
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petermolnar nope, not me
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2019-10-20-2
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[jgmac1106] hmm maybe I need to put the p-name in my notes.....
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[jgmac1106] very early draft of a video [Sadik_Shahadu] and I are working on since we can't make mozfest: https://www.wevideo.com/view/1487794423
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