#dev 2019-11-06
2019-11-06 UTC
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[jgmac1106] mblaney long term maybe sign on should be smaller in another area rather than front and center on /index.
# [jgmac1106] Basically choice of a static or feed on /index
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# [jgmac1106] thx, mblaney just feedback when I showed people my site, maybe I will make a post and keep updating, hoping to build some channels to test out reader features
# [jgmac1106] but people asked, "but where is the website" when I sent my link, started sharing /blog instead of /index...people aw /index as a sign in screen
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@pushcx ↩️ @Lobsters fetches web pages for a couple reasons:
* to prefill the title field on new links as a convenience
* to cache story text for the search engine
* to check for rel=canonical links
* to auth github/twitter/keybase accounts
* to send webmentions back to blogs (twitter.com/_/status/1192074503637082113)
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# [jgmac1106] mblaney something like: https://github.com/cogdog/wp-dimension or jgmac1106.glitch.me minimal content that is an h-card about me with links to pages on my ihazawebsite site
# [jgmac1106] long term give people choice of a profile home page or a feed homepage
# [jgmac1106] aaronpk just shared a minimal profile page that could work as static h-card homepage...people I showed the site to just didn't understand how it was "my website" or "their website"
# [jgmac1106] Can I ask anyone a quick PHp question, having to use quotation marks and concatenation messing me up on datetime
# [jgmac1106] I am trying <time class="dt-published" datetime="<?php echo $date('Y-m-d H:i:s').\"\ . ">" . ('Y-m-d H:i:s')?></time>
# [jgmac1106] ahhh, thanks. well learning..gonna be a mess
# [jgmac1106] I started here: https://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.add.php and was mucking about
# [jgmac1106] I was able to do it with two different strings but wanted to practicce concatenation
# [jgmac1106] aaronpk++ thx
# [jgmac1106] ahh okay thx, glad this is such a good community to learn
# [jgmac1106] sweet, I know only have to either just add a url for an img/video, or reply and content in my notes, everything else through deployment (up to Bridgy) automated
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jeremycherfas So hard working on mf2 when you develop theme locally. So many round trips. I'm going to see whether I can open a grok tunnel.
# jeremycherfas I've had little luck doing that. Which one would you recommend?
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aaronpk pin13.net is running https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-php which is also what I run on my laptop for testing
# jeremycherfas Well, to my surprise, the ngrok tunnel seems to be OK
# jeremycherfas What is h-feed
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain root class(h-*) objects, usually h-entry posts and optionally a common author, name, and representative photo https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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# jeremycherfas Is canonical equivalent to u-url? And should it be inside h-feed or is it OK if it is somewhere on the page?
# jeremycherfas OK. I think I am OK then.
# jeremycherfas I did find https://indieweb.org/feed#How_To_Test not very useful, as the Glitch thing seems to be dead and indiewebify.me does not in fact test feeds, only a single h-entry. But I am reluctant to edit from a postition of ignorance.
# jeremycherfas Erk. Joschi's parser finds NO microformats
# aaronpk have you tried https://monocle.p3k.io/preview ?
# jeremycherfas Not yet. Next on my list after the python tool.
# jeremycherfas No authorship, but that's OK. I'm the only author.
# jeremycherfas Perhaps. But in my head I have rel="canonical"
# jeremycherfas Not my head, my HEAD
# jeremycherfas Working on that.
# jeremycherfas I want to get individual posts fixed, and will then turn to author. There is an h-card on the home page, and a <data> h-card on each entry (I think)
# jeremycherfas Woohoo.
# jeremycherfas gives Loqi a round of applause
# jeremycherfas OK, fair enough.
# jeremycherfas Much trickier decision ahead: having brought all posts under one main category, Listens far outnumber substantive posts. I have already removed them from the home page, but maybe I should filter them out of the main feeds. Or else, possibly, offer a separate feed for Articles.
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# [jgmac1106] I know folks disagree but I love separate feeds if others would clog up your fire hose.
# jeremycherfas It's the presentation of them I worry about.
# jeremycherfas Nicely put tantek++
# jeremycherfas That's tomorrow's task.
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[cleverdevil] \\ a wild cleverdevil appears \\
# [cleverdevil] Holy wow, I haven’t been on IndieWeb chat for months. Been so busy!
# [jgmac1106] only because he BBQs so much
# [cleverdevil] Miss all of you fine folks!
# jeremycherfas True that
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[tantek] [cleverdevil] DYK IWS 2020 sign-ups are open? In case you want to plan ahead to join us 😄 https://2020.indieweb.org/summit
# [cleverdevil] Oh I’m in.
# [cleverdevil] waves
# [cleverdevil] So, one thing I am thinking of for IWS.
# [cleverdevil] I am considering turning my shady Facebook migration scripts into a service.
# [cleverdevil] (No, this will be #indieweb-dev)
# [cleverdevil] ;)
# [cleverdevil] I just keep hearing people over and over saying that they’d leave Facebook if they could just click on some things and make a migration happen.
# [cleverdevil] So, my scripts already do any Micropub endpoint.
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# [cleverdevil] To a degree, but not really.
# [cleverdevil] I don’t currently support *everything*.
# [cleverdevil] Like, checkins for example.
# [cleverdevil] @GWG oh? That’s cool :)
# [cleverdevil] And honestly, I think for the most people people just want their status updates and photos.
# [cleverdevil] That’s really it.
# [cleverdevil] If I started there, and only there, I think it would be a doable thing to support any micropub site.
# [cleverdevil] [tantek] haha, I’m famous!
# [cleverdevil] I saw that you were going to be giving this reprise of your talk from... where was it?
# [tantek] [cleverdevil] you may want to consider coming to https://2020.indieweb.org/austin as well 🙂
# Loqi Beyond Tellerand is (often abbreviated btconf) an annual web conference in Düsseldorf, Germany since 2011 (additional cities since), which has supported and helped sponsor the adjacent IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf annually since 2015 https://indieweb.org/btconf
# [cleverdevil] That’s right.
# [cleverdevil] Austin is fun, I was just there last week and will be there in two weeks.
# [cleverdevil] I’ll see if I can make it.
# [cleverdevil] I am thinking that maybe I can convince [snarfed] to join the Facebook migration effort.
# [cleverdevil] Since my code is all Python.
# [cleverdevil] It could potentially even just be integrated into Bridgy.
# [cleverdevil] That’s part of my difficulty: I’ve deleted my Facebook account completely.
# [cleverdevil] And Facebook’s export format changes in subtle, undocumented ways every few months.
# [cleverdevil] (I’m sure on purpose...)
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[snarfed] [cleverdevil] hah, shades of https://github.com/snarfed/freedom and https://indieweb.org/neotoma
# [cleverdevil] Hah, yes, [snarfed]!
# [cleverdevil] This is a problem that several of us have partially solved in dirty, hacky ways.
# [cleverdevil] I really think that with a service, and platforms available like Micro.blog that make it super simple to get started, I’d say its a good time to pick it back up again.
# [cleverdevil] What was that project that supposedly Google and Facebook were a part of for migrating social data between platforms?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that project that supposedly Google and Facebook were a part of for migrating social data between platforms" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "that project that supposedly Google and Facebook were a part of for migrating social data between platforms is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi Data Transfer Project is a collaboration of organizations committed to building a common framework with open-source code that can connect any two online service providers, enabling a seamless, direct, user initiated portability of data between the two platforms https://indieweb.org/Data_Transfer_Project
# [cleverdevil] Thx [sknebel]
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# [cleverdevil] Wow, the Data Transfer Project is.... ambitious.
# [cleverdevil] Sort of a rube goldberg machine of enterprise-y Java.
# [jgmac1106] glad to see cleverdevil getting started as the micropub as migration tool...it will start with fb but one day will include an mf2/parser and granary for rss feeds...drop in a domain and over time all the posts get republished on a new domain
# [jgmac1106] it is going to be so awesome when he finishes it.
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# [jgmac1106] it is written in the handbook on "How to Sawyer" to use third person when target of Sawyering is present to create an aura of prestige
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# [jgmac1106] What does our wiki say?
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# [jgmac1106] IndieWeb shout out in this article https://css-tricks.com/netlify-cms-open-authoring/
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mblaney for instance your site does have an h-card on the home page already, it even has a microformats checker ie: https://ihazanothersite.jgregorymcverry.com/php/microformats.php?url=https://ihazanothersite.jgregorymcverry.com&json=on
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# [jgmac1106] mblaney ohh I know I threw it through the ringers on parsers to check....was just sharing first impressions from people I have shared project with..
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