#dev 2019-12-21

2019-12-21 UTC
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@mat_packer a post by Miraz For an additional test, does it pickup the webmention from this reply? The post appeared first on Mathew Packer. https://micro.blog/Miraz/7336710 (twitter.com/_/status/1208182810055450624)
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@mat_packer @Miraz For an additional test, does it pickup the webmention from this reply from an external website? The post appeared first on Mathew Packer. https://www.mathewpacker.com (twitter.com/_/status/1208185543403671552)
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jamietanna[m] Re automatic POSSE convo from earlier - since I'm now able to syndicate to Brid.gy (plus other destinations) I'm thinking of auto POSSE for notes and Ie twitter interactions to twitter. I also don't want to have to tick the box each time - but may be nice to display it better in the UI? Even if it's a "default ticked"
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GWG jamietanna[m]: My only contribution is to suggest that pre-checking be a thing.
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[Michael_Beckwit jamie you still fighting the webmention topic a bit?
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[tantek] I don't think pre-checking is interesting all by itself IMO. I think if you do precheck and then show something like a *preview* of what will get tweeted (e.g. ellipsed if too long, with permalink at the end) then that's useful and you can use that as feedback to edit your original note accordingly.
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[tantek] (my own UI always shows me that preview, and doesn't have a checkbox. I do algorithmic determination of which posts get syndicated where or not)
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GWG ls
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GWG I will get to algorithmic
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[tantek] :thumbsup_all:
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GWG [tantek]: I have the position of writing things used by others as well as myself.
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GWG I have this compromise philosophy that I will build for myself first.
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[KevinMarks] Can you please have a look at /webmention and see if it is clear - I'm trying to make it more spec-like as the more complex Text :~: Selection proposal is pushing hard at the moment
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[jgmac1106] I wish I had more checkboxes to control syndication, but I also use tags for this and syndicate specific feeds to places
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[jgmac1106] Right now just LinkedIn and Twitter. Would like same for micro.blog and tumblr. Have fooled around with using hashtag and microblog
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[jgmac1106] Think i will just turn off Mastodon syndication, no point without webmentions
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] [adamprocter] is building a physical mind mapping/flow chart tool that you can also change online. It is neat
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@MstrKapowski ↩️ @rdsaunders The easiest way would probably be to look into https://brid.gy - if you can send webmentions then it should work for you (twitter.com/_/status/1208407068161515521)
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@MstrKapowski ↩️ @rdsaunders The easiest way would probably be to look into https://brid.gy - if you can send webmentions then it should work for you (twitter.com/_/status/1208407068161515521)
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[adamprocter] Thanks feel free to try it out at https://nodenogg.in you can make your own instance and play
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jamietanna[m] [Michael_Beckwit sorry what do you mean by "fighting the webmention topic"?
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[tantek] that's a ridiculous amount of work aaronpk. seriously wtf
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aaronpk it was a lot!
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aaronpk I was able to reuse quite a bit of code from existing building blocks thankfully!
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aaronpk I just realized I didn't really describe how event pages accept webmentions not just for RSVPs but to add photos too
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[tantek] what is photo reply?
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Loqi photo reply is a reply with a photo, thus also a photo post that is in-reply-to another post https://indieweb.org/photo_reply
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[tantek] presumably like that? ^^^
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aaronpk that would do it!
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[tantek] aaronpk, clicking on photos in the grid opens up the top photo instead (no matter which photo you click on) e.g. https://events.indieweb.org/2019/09/indiewebcamp-amsterdam-2019-94vjWjjzri4X
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aaronpk oh no!
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[tantek] a-ha tricky. you have to click the top image first. then try clicking another image.
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[tantek] but if you *first* click an image in the grid, then it'll show up
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[tantek] (upon loading the page)
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aaronpk hm i'm not able to reproduce
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aaronpk tries in firefo
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aaronpk x
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aaronpk hm yeah still not
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aaronpk ah there's sometimes a bit of a delay while the next picture is loading
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[tantek] huh for me it reloaded the top image
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[tantek] will retry again
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[tantek] ohhhhhh I see what happens, it shows the previous photo immediately (which is unexpected / surprising) and then eventually (10s later?) the photo you clicked shows up
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aaronpk wow shouldn't be 10 seconds but yeah
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aaronpk apparently I forgot to make it clear out the previous one
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[tantek] maybe blank the pop-up thing before swapping in the new image?
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[tantek] hah
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aaronpk yeah this is making me want to drop the imageproxy thing and store static images
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aaronpk the image proxy let me shortcut a whole bunch of annoying dev time
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aaronpk but it generates the images on the fly so sometimes it takes a second to resize the image. it should be caching it sitewide tho
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[tantek] oh that's the delay ok
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[Michael_Beckwit jamietanna[m] the repeated sending of past mentions. I still see them cropping up in my comments area, so i'm wondering if it should have been solved already or if you're still working on details
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[tantek] is the weird string on the end of the event URLs its actual ID? It looked like noise on the end of the slug so I tried dropping it and got a 404
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aaronpk yeah, so instead I should resize the images as they're loaded to the 3 versions I use, then the delay would be just the network
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aaronpk ooh I forgot to talk about url design in the post
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aaronpk yeah that's the actual event ID. the rest doesn't matter, it'll always redirect to the canonical if you change the slug or date
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[tantek] I suppose the next trick would be treating a URL without the ID as a search for that event date / slug which is likely to find a unique result
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aaronpk yeah i'd be up for that
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[tantek] that could be part of your URL design post, indicating how you made them work
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aaronpk ok I added a section to the post describing the current state https://aaronparecki.com/2019/12/21/4/indieweb-events#url-design
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Announcing events.indieweb.org!
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aaronpk oh I also forgot: tag names can have non-ascii chars, and the URLs keep them too!
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aaronpk e.g. https://events.indieweb.org/tag/düsseldorf
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aaronpk that was a fun couple hours :)
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] hmm, tag pages for unused tags should show perhaps a tag cloud instead of a 404
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aaronpk my first 5-minute implementation turned the tag "düsseldorf" into the url `/tag/d-sseldorf`
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[tantek] e.g. https://events.indieweb.org/tag/sf
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aaronpk oh yeah I don't have a list of tags anywhere
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aaronpk adds it to the list
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[tantek] perhaps at https://events.indieweb.org/tag/ 🙂
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aaronpk does all my iCal feed discovery chatter from the last week make sense now? :D
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jamietanna[m] [Michael_Beckwit that's odd, it should only now resend if it's not already sent one, or if it had issues sending. What's your domain? I can check it out tomorrow
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[KevinMarks] Yay for polyglot tag urls
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Loqi woot
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[tantek] alright I'm going to revert the HWC Template change until it can be done losslessly
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[tantek] (I was trying to fix it, to link to the new events, but there's at least Pullman missing for now, so going to revert until we haven't event/venue parity)