#dev 2019-12-20
2019-12-20 UTC
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[Rose]1 Me! I use Zapier to auto post things to Twitter and LinkedIn in specific formats.
# [Rose]1 Only blog posts and podcasts post to LinkedIn for me.
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# [Rose]1 So I do it based on post category for those. Kind dictates what goes to twitter though.
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[jgmac1106] reply contexts get hard, I would like buttons or radials to decide on per post level, but also be able to decide what is checked by default
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[grantcodes] Always auto posse with a bit of intelligence. Twitter always, Instagram + twitter if it's an image, replies / likes only if they are to the specific silo
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@NmVAson PSA: TIS THE SEASON TO CHECK YOUR FORMATTERS, PEOPLE TIL that Java's DateTimeFormatter pattern "YYYY" gives you the week-based-year, (by default, ISO-8601 standard) the year of the Thursday of that week. 12/29/2019 formats to 2019 12/30/2019 formats to 2020 (twitter.com/_/status/1207820284268597249)
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@bradenslen This is cool. With https://b2evolution.net/ as a blog script you get as many blogs as you want with webmentions on one install. As a CMS you get the mentioned blogs, plus photo gallery, forums, a manual publisher and a group projects tracker in one install. (twitter.com/_/status/1208047894663700480)
# [jgmac1106] gwg I found this: https://codepen.io/anon/pen/WrQZqX we could use CSS animation to have the candles light at appropriate times
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[schmarty] haha i'll wrinkle this up a bit and say i would like the option to put a syndication link on a post when i create it on my site 😂
# [schmarty] sometimes i have already posted it to whatever silo and am manually re-creating the post on my site
# [schmarty] manualuntilithurts++
# [schmarty] (i don't have time to build "check my twitter to see if this new content matches my latest tweets" into my site)
# [schmarty] i don't concede that it's a backend weakness. who wrote that into my requirements document? 😂
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GWG https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#h-syndication-targets - Is it worth proposing an optional property in the syndication targets?
# [schmarty] tantek: i don't follow your reading. i described a situation where i have posted something on a silo and want to copy it to my site with a syndication link. my micropub endpoint would happily accept a post like that, but i am not aware of any clients that will construct that post.
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chrisaldrich I'll stay away from the larger plumbing questions/issues, but I will say that the way Known implements syndication buttons for silos is much more elegant UI than checkboxes.
# chrisaldrich Here's an example, though only one button that changes color: https://boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/known-syndication-button.png
# chrisaldrich Often it's easier on most interfaces to click a slightly larger button than a checkbox.
# chrisaldrich I mention it because GWG's metabox in WordPress uses checkboxes.
# chrisaldrich Quill is a solid experience too, though it might be better on desktop if they were horizontal buttons (to take up less screen space/scrolling) instead of vertical (which is a better experience on mobile).
# chrisaldrich GWG, if you do go buttons, think about that ^^
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aaronpk does it look ok with variable width buttons? https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-12-20-10-28-48-s09o5e6Y5V.jpg
# chrisaldrich It's not too distracting to me.
# chrisaldrich I do try to keep my target names rather short and sweet for just that case though.
# chrisaldrich Foursquare Tip? That's an interesting target... Anyone else doing that?
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Loqi Foursquare is a venue reviews, recommendations, and lists silo based on its previous location-based checkin support, a feature that was spunout to the separate Swarm application which still shares some data back & forth with Foursquare https://indieweb.org/Foursquare
# aaronpk yeah I wrote about that here https://aaronparecki.com/2019/10/06/20/foursquare
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] anything there? /Foursquare#POSSE
# chrisaldrich [tantek] I'd looked and it was all checkins related (from before Foursquare pivoted to Swarm branding)
# [tantek] however if you actually *user test* people with simple UIs with fewer options, vs more complex UIs with lots of checkboxes etc., and measure *did they get the task done* and *did they feel good about it*, the simpler UIs with fewer options always win (as in overwhelming majority of users)
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[davidmead] Chiming in quick (as I have UX i my title) - beware sing buttons, especially lots of them, as this can be confusing for users. buttons are usually only one or two and mean an action, like submit.
# [davidmead] expectation is usually “i push/click this and I’m done”
# [davidmead] i saw that [schmarty] ;-)
# [davidmead] toggles, checkboxes, and radio button arrays convey ‘choice’
# [davidmead] a button is usually a final step
# chrisaldrich Also in thinking about a broader IndieWeb future, there's a liklihood that there are more syndication targets (like IndieNews or IndieWeb.xyz), which means many more toggles over time.
# [davidmead] asking a user if they “always want to send posts to…” when they toggle can be a good way to change preferences with them having to think about it and hunt around for it in the settings
# [davidmead] *without*
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# chrisaldrich I like the idea of having a sticky toggled state, but GWG is also dealing with a dozen or more post types (notes, likes, replies, etc) and far more targets which complicates the plumbing and choices combinatorially.
# chrisaldrich Swarm has the benefit of being a checkin unitasker with only a couple of syndication targets. That level of simplicity makes the UI an easier thing on both sides of the dev/user equation.
# chrisaldrich An example closer to what he's talking about is the massive plumbing involved in setting up /SNAP, which couldn't have been fun to code, isn't fun to configure as a user, and even when done well isn't much fun to use on a day to day basis.
# [davidmead] what is snap?
# Loqi SNAP (Social Network Auto Poster) is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
# chrisaldrich [tantek] It's not far off, but I'll also note that /SNAP is one of the most massive and ugly ones that I've seen, particularly if you're attempting to syndicate to more than one target.
# chrisaldrich Not far behind that are some of the big SEO plugins, which might also make some good UI case studies.
# [schmarty] aaronpk's talk about home automation with NodeRED has me thinking about visual flowchart-like tools for POSSE/PESOS
# chrisaldrich GWG, if he where here, I suspect that snarfed would pull out the example of https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb
# [schmarty] bridgy publish is the only service that needs to be bridgy publish :}
# chrisaldrich GWG, another way of looking at the solution is to offload some of these decisions to the UI that micropub clients want to build in or support. Just provide the minimal basics in WP or your platform of choice and let the variety of micropub apps sort out what users may or may not want?
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@nhoizey https://nicolas-hoizey.com is now built with @eleven_ty !
Not everything works yet (search and webmention for example), but at least I can build it, and it will improve during next weeks. (twitter.com/_/status/1208146495989583874)
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@DavidBurnsBusks ↩️ He falsely accused someone who helped rescue children trapped in a cave of being a paedophile when they pointed out that the microsub he sent wouldn't work (twitter.com/_/status/1208149363622633472)
# [schmarty] 😂