#dev 2020-01-10

2020-01-10 UTC
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[tantek] jamietanna[m]++ wow!
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Loqi jamietanna[m] has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (17 in all channels)
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superkuh Seems like about half of the webmention endpoints I test don't have limits for message body size.
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superkuh That or they're very high.
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Ruxton probably just limited by servers max post size
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[Rose] !tell aaronpk Are you planning extensions to the new events system for planning?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you reply to this tweet, I get webmention, it would show up under the canonical link and also have an archived version created on internet archive, Getting closer to turn key no sysadmin tool with @microdotblog, @ihazawebsite, pineblog and… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/01/10/dajbelshaw-if-you-reply-to-this-tweet (twitter.com/_/status/1215620080610029568)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ For me missing link is private group posting. This is where ActivityPub and use of inbox has some advantages over the webmention, use url for authorization model...I can send private fediverse messages. I can't publish group posts in hTML (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/wewPR) (twitter.com/_/status/1215621511647780865)
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aaronpk Hello
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Loqi aaronpk: [Rose] left you a message 4 hours, 23 minutes ago: Are you planning extensions to the new events system for planning?
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aaronpk I was not. Planning seems like enough of its own thing that it would add a huge amount of stuff to the site.
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swentel aaronpk, Dries was wondering whether it's a (good) (optional) idea to use JSON-LD for discovery of a post after sending a webmention. I couldn't really give him a clear answer on why microformats are used in probably all implementations out there (even though I find them easy/handy)
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aaronpk I've been trying to find a way to say that too. He emailed me after adding mf2 to his site
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swentel aah hehe
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aaronpk i think the answer is schema/microformats are approximately equivalent for blog posts, but microformats is way easier once you move into richer post types
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swentel right, I've been mailing too with him, I gave him an option to add a e-content div/span, but somehow he has trouble with it.
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swentel right
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swentel that was my thought a bit too
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aaronpk yeah I see why he has trouble with it on his design
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aaronpk but oh the other thing
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aaronpk for blog posts, it's fine to not have e-content because the receiver is probably only going to show a link with the blog post name anyway
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swentel that's true as well
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aaronpk but if you want the full contents of the post to appear in feeds when followed that's when it's useful
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aaronpk so microformats is for more than just webmention
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swentel indeed, haven't explained him that yet
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swentel he doesn't have a feed page for parsing, so still following his rss.xml
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swentel but I'm sitting down with him in april
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swentel to give him a bigger overview of all concepts
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swentel but at least he's setting baby steps :)
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[Rose] So, if I want my homepage to have a h-feed without having blog posts on it, is it ok to have the microformats on invisible elements?
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[Rose] And Aaron: On the planning, I thought as much. I’d be interested in working on something for that I think, though of course “interested in” and “have time to do so” are not necessarily in sync.
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[jgmac1106] [Rose] can you just include a link to the h-feed in your header? So if people throw it in a reader the link is found?
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[jgmac1106] On my homepage I have a link to my full h-feed and then an h-feed to my three latest posts, but also has an h-entry to my full article page as fourth post
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[Rose] I should probably do that
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aaronpk i think that's how a few people do it, and bridgy follows rel=feed too
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aaronpk so you can point to your feed page from your home page that way instead of having an invisible feed on the home page itself
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aaronpk oh and pretty sure aperture will discover the feed that way too
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GWG I do rel-feed in my work
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swentel drupal microsub too
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aaronpk what is rel=feed
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Loqi rel-feed is the standard for linking to multiple (potentially alternative) h-feeds from a site's homepage using the code rel="feed" on those links https://indieweb.org/rel-feed
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GWG Both publish and consume
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aaronpk seems like enough that this should be documented on the wiki
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GWG It looks like it is
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aaronpk what is home page?
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, with your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card, and fairly commonly one or more streams of recent, topical, or most relevant posts marked up with h-entry https://indieweb.org/home_page
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aaronpk my internet is so slow i can't check, but is /rel-feed linked from /home_page yet? sounds like it should be!
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@zachleat ↩️ Choosing not to manage comments on your own platform is a different thing than “comments are taboo.” I like to keep the conversation on Twitter or let people post on their own site and syndicate via webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1215668440217870336)
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[schmarty] aaronpk: as someone who has to log into my aperture instance a lot, i've begun wondering if it would be useful to add `autocomplete="url"` to web sign-in inputs.
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[schmarty] my browser autocomplete tends to suggest my site only after i've got somewhere like "<https://m>"
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[schmarty] (if at all)
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[schmarty] maybe i'll experiment with this
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[schmarty] (reading from https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/form-control-infrastructure.html#autofill )
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sknebel Would be interesting to see if browsers do that
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sknebel Or if they only treat it as a secondary field
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aaronpk Oh cool I didn't know about that
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aaronpk I guess I type mine in enough that it's usually the first suggestion when i just click into the field now
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@statamic ↩️ @scott_gruber @CraftCMS Yep! There’s an add-on for that: https://statamic.com/marketplace/addons/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1215707751088824322)
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[KevinMarks] @swentel you can use unmung.com (or granary) to turn an rss feed into an h-feed, if that's useful for explanatory purposes. But mf2 is richer than rss/atom syntax
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aaronpk right which was my point because for blog posts they are pretty much the same
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aaronpk so if you only post blog posts you won't see any meaningful difference by adding mf2
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[tantek] and by that you mean /article posts?
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aaronpk yes
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swentel yeah, his RSS is fine for now
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swentel I'm more interested whether he's going to start accepting webmentions
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swentel I just noticed that he completely disabled comments on his site too
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[tantek] aaronpk, worth addressing / resolving any of these issues in the next two days? https://github.com/w3c/webmention/issues
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aaronpk oohhboy
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[tantek] and maybe even providing a living spec update on GitHub?
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GWG Why the next 2 days?
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aaronpk that sounds like some work!
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[tantek] GWG, for Webmention's 3rd birthday 🙂
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GWG Do we have a calendar for these things?
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[tantek] resolving all the issues would be a great milestone too
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[tantek] GWG see /timeline
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[tantek] IDK how to get those as recurring anniversary events
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[tantek] but it may be possible
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[tantek] also we need improvements and more additions to /timeline
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GWG I am more thinking...on this day in Indieweb
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[tantek] GWG, already in the list! https://indieweb.org/site-homepage#New_live_modules
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GWG [tantek]: By the way, that discussion about proposing an additional property to that spec...did you ever do that?
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[tantek] GWG, sorry that's too vague for me to remember. Link to "that discussion"?
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GWG It was the webactions one
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GWG I'll find the link
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2019/SF/webactions "Tantek should talk to people working on the Web Share API whom he knows to add a declarative to support webactions."
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superkuh https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=static_site&curid=2340&diff=67850&oldid=67681 - edited the wiki, if this isn't cool revert it or whatever.