#dev 2020-01-29

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plindner[m] So... what's the best place to find how to debug brid.gy backfill issues on mastodon? Open an issue on gh?
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aaronpk oh I think this is because laravel thinks it's on http but it's not
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[snarfed] ohai plindner, i can probably help
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plindner[m] snarfed: This is for @lindner@social.coop + 1500wordmtu.com - I did have one successful webmention make it, but I'm not seeing anything on older posts. Debug tips? Could I try adding myself to beta-users and see if that gives 50 posts instead of 10? Something else?
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[snarfed] looking
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aaronpk ⭐️ it worked! ⭐️
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aaronpk and automatic migrations on heroku when it's pushed too \o/
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[snarfed] plindner, looks like the synd link on https://1500wordmtu.com/2020/julie actually points to a comment on the syndicated post, not the post itself at https://social.coop/@lindner/103478392544119934
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plindner[m] oh weird.
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plindner[m] That whole post got a little odd and I was trying to fix it manually. A better example would be on the older posts.
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plindner[m] But I'll try fixing that manually (again)
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plindner[m] (hot-patching json on known cms.. oof) -- better example is https://1500wordmtu.com/2019/native-ads-in-your-news-feed-circa-1903 which should map to https://social.coop/@lindner/101394105139057531 -- is there a way to peek at brid.gy's posse mappings?
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Loqi [Paul Lindner] From the January 15th,1903 edition of the Hendricks Pioneer. https://1500wordmtu.com/file/db12f23a17082764326a457c30e3449f/thumb.png
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plindner[m] In the log I see a max of 10 entries fetched "Hit cap of 10 permalinks. Stopping."
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[snarfed] right, on the older posts, bridgy hit that limit, so it didn't see their synd links
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[snarfed] often you can manually trigger them by entering the post URL into "Resend for post"
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[snarfed] i tried that with one and it hasn't worked yet. i'm looking at logs
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[snarfed] not sure why resend isn't working, but i'll keep looking. sorry for the trouble, thanks for reporting!
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[snarfed] as a workaround, if you plug your original post into Resend, and then click the retry button on a response, it works. eg https://1500wordmtu.com/2019/todolindner-attend-tech-debt-conference#comments
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Loqi [Paul Lindner] TODO(lindner): attend tech debt conference https://2019.techdebtconf.org/
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plindner[m] yes, just saw that one go through...
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plindner[m] I'll give that a go and thanks for spotting my bad manual link editing...
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[snarfed] hah, np!
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plindner[m] so where's the bridgy opencollective?
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[snarfed] hah, much appreciated. https://brid.gy/about#cost
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[snarfed] we basically just redirect people back to https://opencollective.com/indieweb
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aaronpk Sooooo anyone wanna try installing Meetable on heroku? :-D
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aaronpk I need to publish a release then it should be a drop in and go install on shared hosting too
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plindner[m] snarfed: okay, might be time to increase my contribution!
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[jgmac1106] !tell gwg in WP couldn't you group photos to location using category or tag? In mf2 use p-category? Not location driven but the logic works
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] !tell mblaney I figured ot was there. I haza.website is so cool. Fully integrated site builder, blog, and social reader.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[LewisCowles] [aaronpk] got a link?
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable
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Loqi [aaronpk] Meetable: a minimal events aggregator
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aaronpk suggestions welcome!
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aaronpk heroku instructions: https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable#installing-on-heroku
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Loqi [aaronpk] Meetable: a minimal events aggregator
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[LewisCowles] Just found them… I’m gonna have to give you a button
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[LewisCowles] some of this can be turn-key
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aaronpk oh even better
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aaronpk i havent played aroudn with the button stuff at all
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[LewisCowles] it’s basically all your steps, but it surfaces some UI. It’s not perfect (what is right), but it allows people who are not us to interact
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk is there a better way to define all the config variables? the only options i was able to find was one at a time on the command line, or with the GUI one by one
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aaronpk (later i'm gonna move a bunch of the settings into the app GUI so they're not in the .env file at all, but there will always be a couple that have to be defined there)
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[LewisCowles] What you’re did with dotenv is perfect as heroku has UI for button installers to provide all options, but mark some / many as not required
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[LewisCowles] after install you have to know to go to settings or use heroku cli to set ENV, but it’s workable and not the most awful
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aaronpk ok
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[LewisCowles] You can also provide descriptions for people and use generator methods, but I’m struggling to find the generator methods in the recent docs updates
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aaronpk for this installer to work, don't define any config options in the button deploy flow
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[LewisCowles] it says you can use them and gives one examples
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[LewisCowles] okay
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[LewisCowles] apart from attaching a mysql database?
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[LewisCowles] or do we get the person to do that too?
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aaronpk if the button can create the DB add on that'd be great, but don't ask the user to define any configs in that process
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[LewisCowles] awesome, I won’t ask the user to define any configs
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[LewisCowles] it’s not entirely like an installer
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[LewisCowles] it’s more like what is the system config, an installer would need so you’re not left jumping between system and app deps
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[LewisCowles] btw I’ll find something later which helps heroku parse out it’s database URI’s so you don’t need separate HOST, USER, PASS, NAME params. Those can totally help, but it’s friction with the platform for heroku and cloudfoundry as they typically offer up a URI
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aaronpk it does already recognize the DB config if you use the MySQL add-on from heroku
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mblaney 👍
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Loqi mblaney: [jgmac1106] left you a message 54 minutes ago: I figured ot was there. I haza.website is so cool. Fully integrated site builder, blog, and social reader.
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mblaney ^ that's what I'm aiming for :-)
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[jgmac1106] Good example why blankspace should be respected: https://twitter.com/dogtrax/status/1222307780838731776 vs webmention on this https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/01/28/smallpoemstormented-by-desirei-sought-refuge-in-verseto
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@dogtrax @jgmac1106 I sit beneath this flower - a refuge in verse Never before did I wonder if it or I were the writer or if might not be the reverse #smallpoems response (twitter.com/_/status/1222307780838731776)
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[jgmac1106] p tags and br... Enemy of any online poet
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[LewisCowles] Hmmmm
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[LewisCowles] > Command “schedule:daemon” is not defined.
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[LewisCowles] hehe aaron is not using nodejs
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aaronpk what does that do
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[LewisCowles] nothing if you use the PHP for the scheduler 😉
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[LewisCowles] it’s for people who use nodejs for scheduling
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[LewisCowles] I mistakenly put it in place. I’m currently tweaking installer to not ask me questions I know the answers to
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[LewisCowles] like we don’t need to check host, user, pass name for database if it provides a URL. Laravel supports them out of the box
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aaronpk Just keep in mind this needs to work outside of heroku too
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[LewisCowles] sure thing. I’m guarding with checks, so if outside of heroku someone happens to set a DATABASE_URL, they too will be able to not need to provide those details. If it’s not set they are still asked for, confirmed and generated
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[LewisCowles] same with the secret laravel key
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[LewisCowles] DATABASE_URL is the laravel way to handle. It’s in the database config by default
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[LewisCowles] We’re having cleardb addon call it’s URI `DATABASE_URL` so that it’s one less step for heroku users. It’ll also be a win for some CloudFoundry users
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Ruxton it's a pretty normal standard to set those kind of things with env vars, because it means when I spinup dockers/vm's I can just have the spinup set thse vars and config carriers through
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[LewisCowles] Ruxton++
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[LewisCowles] I’m not sure aaronpk is arguing against btw
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[LewisCowles] I think they are just checking it will also work without heroku, docker, cf
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aaronpk Course not
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[LewisCowles] a solid move
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[LewisCowles] aaronpk++
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[LewisCowles] sometimes internetting can be harder than I’d like, we’re all good
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aaronpk I suppose if it's already there then the installer can probably safely skip the prompt entirely, I wonder if that'd fail in any cases
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[LewisCowles] right now it’s failing 😁
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[LewisCowles] but thats part of why I’m iterating
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[LewisCowles] setting up the right guards
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[LewisCowles] like I have an APP_KEY, which I’d like to keep. So I guarded setting a canned one and only generate if not the canned value
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[LewisCowles] found it. You’re checking for setup db_name; but I bypassed that, so I’ll redirect to the database step first, which sets that up
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[LewisCowles] got it working, but need to understand this use of dotenv
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[LewisCowles] got it.
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[LewisCowles] There is now an ENV `SETUP_DONE` if my edits to the config setting are correct, then new ENV can also be nominated. Meaning the .env.sample existence isn’t the only way to set.
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[LewisCowles] Heroku will use redis by default. It should make things consistent and harder to tamper with. When experimenting though, people may wish to set the session to cookie, so they can tamper 😉 (clear cookies)
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[LewisCowles] I’m re-thinking the redirects if DB is there. What if someone has a DATABASE_URL, but wants to set alternative connection credentials? Perhaps they should still be able to nominate an alternative, although I’m quite sure Laravel will ignore it… Choices gah.
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[LewisCowles] The instructions given to the user will be that `SETUP_DONE` will be `heroku config`’d to `true` after install. This way I can let people pick an app name and test that it cascades through the environment like other settings. And like my favourite declarative toolings yaml and CSS.
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[Marlin_Forbes] TIL https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/selecting-content-from-objects.html
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[LewisCowles] nice find datashaman++
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[LewisCowles] you can also import CSV or SQL directly from S3 if you use RDS
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[Marlin_Forbes] yea, my mind is exploding with possibilities
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[LewisCowles] a tip for debugging heroku button deploys is to copy the name to your terminal and run `heroku logs -a {your-app-name} --tail` it’s the only way I know of to see why releases fail. Heroku helpfully (or not) deletes the app if a release fails, but only shares logs for deploy
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@kmelve ↩️ @eunjae_lee @sanity_io @even Thanks! It's not public, yet, but here's at least something to get you started: https://www.knutmelvaer.no/blog/2019/06/getting-started-with-webmentions-in-gatsby/ (twitter.com/_/status/1222422551151792129)
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@JamieTanna Woops, after spending ~40 mins working on getting my Webmention notifications (https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/01/12/webmention-notifications/) to send the author's avatar in the notification, I've now realised the Pushover API doesn't support it. Doh! (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/qecid/) (twitter.com/_/status/1222428232449961984)
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[LewisCowles] !tell aaronpk PR inbound. I expect changes and bargaining 😉
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel GWG, example of a map using the geocaching posts I have on my site: https://realize.be/geocaching-map (uses mapbox for rendering)
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swentel next test is adding a map for my trips
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swentel but I first need to post one to the site :)
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GWG swentel: Pull any archive URL on my site and add /map
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Loqi GWG: [jgmac1106] left you a message 5 hours, 33 minutes ago: in WP couldn't you group photos to location using category or tag? In mf2 use p-category? Not location driven but the logic works
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2020/1/26/map
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swentel wow
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swentel nice!
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GWG swentel: And it's themeable, even though no one has yet
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swentel I really need to check how I can make xray parse your pages
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swentel they show up without any properties in indigenous :/
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swentel those checkin pages I mean
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GWG swentel: Which pages? I can update my markup
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swentel GWG, I'm subscribed to https://david.shanske.com/all/
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GWG I thought I marked it up as an h-feed
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swentel but e.g. Checked into Sofia History Museum doesn't come in nice
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swentel I see only published and author info in indigenous
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GWG swentel: Okay, will investigate
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GWG Maybe I marked it up incorrectly
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swentel https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https://david.shanske.com/all/
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swentel I see checkin though
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swentel soo
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swentel I might be my problem actually
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swentel *it
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GWG Could it be interpretation
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swentel well, I use xray to parse that page, so I should receive the same data
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swentel let me check what I have in the db
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GWG I always want to improve presentation though
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GWG Especially on location and photos
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swentel so, it's my fault afaics
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swentel {"type":"entry","published":"2020-01-26T12:07:26+02:00","url":"https:\/\/david.shanske.com\/2020\/01\/26\/3203\/","featured":"https:\/\/david.shanske.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/IMG_20200126_120713-1200x900.jpg","syndication":["https:\/\/www.swarmapp.com\/user\/454146796\/checkin\/5e2d64de447abb0008f847d2"],"author":{"type":"card","name":"David Shanske","url":"https:\/\/david.shanske.com\/","photo":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.co
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swentel m\/avatar\/681eba02e72ba1d894097034a8110e61?s=49&d=mm&r=g"},"post-type":"note"}
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swentel that's what I have the db
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swentel ok xray was 3 verions behind, but I don't see anything yet it wouldn't have found it yet
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swentel will check later :)
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swentel I'm also going to look into collections
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swentel but not sure yet how I will handle that
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swentel tricky stuff
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swentel hmm
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swentel it actually does parse good
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swentel I wonder whether it's because of websub
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swentel as there's probably a delay when swarm pings back to your site
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swentel the first time, the checkin info isn't there yet
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swentel so it's seen as a 'note'
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swentel but when swarm pings your site and you update the info, I don't reparse it anymore as I already have an entry for that url
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swentel and yes, even another ping will see that something changed for that url, but since it exists it doesn't update
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swentel hmmm tricky
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swentel GWG, do you know if yarns always updates stored items in the microsub server?
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swentel (see reasoning above the question)
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swentel aaronpk, same question a bit for you too, does aperture update existing stored microsub items?
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GWG swentel: Not sure
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GWG swentel: I would ask jackjamieson. I only handled the parsing part, not the microsub part
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swentel GWG created an issue in the drupal server to handle this case, it makes sense
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GWG swentel: I appreciate your work
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swentel GWG, does wordpress micropub handle collections?
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swentel or can kinds render it?
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GWG Not yet
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GWG It can recognize it,. but cant post it
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swentel yeah, same here, will be test and learn I guess
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@JamieTanna And here is what the new notifications look like for https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/01/12/webmention-notifications/ for my webmentions (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/op8x9/) (twitter.com/_/status/1222505267742507008)
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jamietanna[m] !tell aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/pull/94 should be ready for another review if you get a mo, would be greatly appreciated to get it live so I can start following my Meetups via meetup-mf2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [jamietanna] #94 Add support for parsing MF2 JSON
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@Juan__Wolf ↩️ Thanks :) I think I need to consider my low visibility as an advantage for building posts more personal (with more value in my opinion) rather than being driven by how many people actually reads it. Thanks for writing the post, it was really good and webmentions looks amazing! (twitter.com/_/status/1222529690285617152)
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jgmac1106_ !mf2 https://werd.io/2020/the-worst-mistake-startups-make
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Kaja_____ https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwerd.io%2F2020%2Fthe-worst-mistake-startups-make
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Loqi [Ben Werdmüller] The worst mistake startups make
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jgmac1106_ [benatwork] I was curious how the parsers would handle something behind your paywall, looks like the paywall gets ignored and I can read the text
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aaronpk oh hah it's a javascript paywall?
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Loqi aaronpk: [LewisCowles] left you a message 7 hours, 50 minutes ago: PR inbound. I expect changes and bargaining 😉
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Loqi aaronpk: jamietanna[m] left you a message 2 hours, 36 minutes ago: https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/pull/94 should be ready for another review if you get a mo, would be greatly appreciated to get it live so I can start following my Meetups via meetup-mf2
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: 👍
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wink div id=paywall. nice
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jamietanna[m] Amazing thanks aaronpk! Do I need to do anything for adding Aperture support? It doesn't seem to be working with https://meetup-mf2.jvt.me/PHPMiNDS-in-Nottingham/events
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jamietanna[m] (that url seems to be publishing more data than its meant to but https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeetup-mf2.jvt.me%2FPHPMiNDS-in-Nottingham%2Fevents&pretty=true still seems happy
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aaronpk i need to push out an update to aperture to use the new library. it uses xray as a library not the one running at xray.p3k.app
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jamietanna[m] Ah gotcha!
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jamietanna[m] I don't mind raising a PR to bump the dependency if you'd like? Or is it more involved and may be easier yourself?
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aaronpk probably quicker for me to just do it. give me a sec to finish this PR review for [LewisCowles] tho
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jamietanna[m] Sure, thanks!
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[KevinMarks] http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwerd.io%2F2020%2Fthe-worst-mistake-startups-make
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Loqi [Ben Werdmüller] The worst mistake startups make
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aaronpk *whew* back to you [LewisCowles]
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: should be live now
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jamietanna[m] Thanks aaronpk! Aperture is now consuming it, I'm now trying to work out why it's not showing 😅
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aaronpk Uhoh haha
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aaronpk what's not showing?
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jamietanna[m] It's recognising the MF2 feed, but it's not getting any entries
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aaronpk It takes a minute for the first ones to appear
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jamietanna[m] Okey dokey. I'll keep an eye on it and see if they appear soon. Sorry I know I was being a bit impatient
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aaronpk It should be like 30 seconds tops assuming the server isn't super busy
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aaronpk I unfortunately don't have a lot of good debugging visibility there tho
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[snarfed] hey jamietanna, while you're here, do you remember where we are on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/906 ? (welcome back btw!)
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Loqi [jamietanna] #906 WIP: Meetup.com
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jamietanna[m] No probs
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jamietanna[m] Hey snarfed! Thanks :) I'm hoping to get it worked on tonight as I've got a full evening in, so https://github.com/snarfed/granary/pull/181 will be first, then the other
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Loqi [jamietanna] #181 Fix: Meetup library defects
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[snarfed] ah right, that PR. np! no hurry
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jamietanna[m] Something that may be why Aperture doesn't recognise the events - Xray isn't recognising the `location`, as it's showing up as `[null]`?
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aaronpk hm that is odd, but that shouldn't stop aperture
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jamietanna[m] Do you know if there would be any logs that could help?
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aaronpk possibly
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aaronpk gonna be hard to find with all the traffic it gets tho, let me see
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jamietanna[m] That's fair. Thanks aaron!
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aaronpk what time did you add it?
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aaronpk oo i see an eror
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jamietanna[m] either `127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jan/2020:18:30:48 +0100] "GET /Notts-Techfast/events HTTP/1.1" 200 2387` or `127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jan/2020:18:24:56 +0100] "GET /Notts-Techfast/events HTTP/1.1" 200 2387`
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jamietanna[m] ooh
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aaronpk your location is missing a "value", it's not technically correct mf2 json
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jamietanna[m] Awesome OK, that's fair enough then!
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aaronpk that's the downside trying to generate mf2 json manually... now i have to handle consuming invalid mf2 json
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aaronpk normally xray knows the JSON structure it'll get because that's handled by the mf2 parser
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jamietanna[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ebjLWslxTrzbGCwnJnpKRkzb >
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jamietanna[m] Does that look invalid?
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[LewisCowles] [aaronpk] back to you. I’ll let you finish the UI before I feel comfortable making some of the changes asked for. We have different ideas, but it’s your app.
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20200129174234159
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aaronpk notice the "value" property added by the parser
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aaronpk (also the values of your location are wrong but that's a different problem. street-address is supposed to be just that piece, not the full address)
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jamietanna[m] aaronpk ah gotcha! I'll try a quick fix for that now
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jamietanna[m] Street address I'm not sure I can directly get it unfortunately
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jamietanna[m] In that example, `locality` is before the `street-address` is that correct/
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aaronpk if you don't have the individual address components then you're probably best off dropping the whole h-adr and just setting the location to a string
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aaronpk order of JSON properties doesn't matter
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aaronpk normally you're going to have HTML for the address and then add the classes around the different parts like this http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20200129174801370
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jamietanna[m] Sorry, I meant that it came out as `Nottingham JH, 34a Stoney Street, Nottingham, NG1 1NB. United Kingdom` Whereas I'd expect `JH, 34a Stoney Street, Nottingham, NG1 1NB, Nottingham, United Kingdom`
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aaronpk the "value" is supposed to be a fallback for consumers to show if they don't understand the parts inside
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aaronpk so whatever you want that to show to a person is what youd put there
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aaronpk a mf2 parser builds the "value" as the text part of all the HTML elements inside
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jamietanna[m] Awesome, just got a hotfix for that and that's sorted the location parsing! Would you recommend, in this case, that I just return `value`, not the JSON?
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aaronpk probably. you have to think about what you want a consumer to do with the info
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20200129175357872
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aaronpk if you drop it, you'd drop the entire h-adr object and the location value becomes just a string
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jamietanna[m] Yeah. I guess as it's a little free-form text I can't guarantee that i.e. the `street-address` is exactly that, and in that example it'd probably be good to have an `h-card` with `JH` being emphasised as it's their offices?
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jamietanna[m] Maybe I'll just do that, return it as a plain string for now
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aaronpk heh i didn't even realize "JH" was the name of a place
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aaronpk if that's the case you need h-card not h-adr
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jamietanna[m] Actually I lie, I can get the venue's name, which may be an office, or a building (in that case, it's a company called JH)
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[manton] If folks are interested in the hosted replies feature I was asking for input on last week, we shipped it this week. Gives people the option to always have replies on their own domain name and new Hugo parameters to tinker with. https://www.manton.org/2020/01/27/replies-hosted-at.html
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Loqi Replies hosted at your own blog
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aaronpk [manton]++
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[Jacob_Michelsen Has anyone PESOS:ed stories from Instagram? I just came across https://instapipe.net and it seems like it could do the job, though it has some hardcoded couplings to e.g. Google Cloud and requires a separate IG account to do the scraping.
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takev[m] Ooh, I want to play around with that. I love setting up silo PESOS.
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GWG takev[m]: I prefer POSSE
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takev[m] Agreed. But some silos make it really hard (Facebook, Instagram, etc).
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chrisaldrich [Jacob_Michelsen I think Charlotte Allen has been doing PESOS from Instagram using IFTTT webhooks to her Micropub endpoint.
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chrisaldrich Yes, here: https://charlotteallen.info/2019/12/04/ifttt-recipes-for-pesos/
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takev[m] I've been wondering about how a "cascading POSSE" might work. Some silos have the option to share to other silos. If there was a way to POSSE to a silo, have that silo share to another, and get back both syndication links, then it could eliminate the need to PESOS in certain cases.
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chrisaldrich I've written out the process in a bit more detail with some additional examples: https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/21/using-ifttt-to-syndicate-pesos-content-from-social-services-to-wordpress-using-micropub/
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takev[m] chrisaldrich: I have been planning on writing up an article with some of the shortcomings of my IFTTT setup, as a follow-up.
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chrisaldrich and there are a LOT of shortcomings... :)
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takev[m] Indeed. Some were unexpected until I ran into the issue. For instance, if you attach multiple photos to an Instagram post, IFTTT fails. :(
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chrisaldrich I haven't been able to get it to work at all with Instagram, multiple photos or not...
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chrisaldrich With some silos it works incredibly well. With others--not so much.
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[snarfed] also [Jacob_Michelsen] asked about stories (https://indieweb.org/story ) specifically, which i haven't heard of anyone either POSSEing or PESOSing
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takev[m] Huh, are you getting an error from Instagram, or is it failing silently?
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chrisaldrich yes, it was story specific... I think aaronpk is the only one who's got that UI feature, but I don't think he's got a POSSE or PESOS piece on top of it.
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chrisaldrich takev[m] if I do it manually I get an "There was an error during check process" error on IFTTT; nothing on my end though.
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takev[m] Lovely. Good UX, IFTTT. 😐
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chrisaldrich story << https://instapipe.net for PESOS from Instagram
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Loqi ok, I added "https://instapipe.net for PESOS from Instagram" to the "See Also" section of /story https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68086&oldid=64859
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chrisaldrich This makes me wonder if one could jury rig a stories feature using the hovercards feature that Gravatar provides?
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chrisaldrich What are hovercards?
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Loqi A hovercard is a brief overview, usually including thumbnail, name, and description, that is shown in a rectangle overlapping in-context when you hover over something like a link, typically richer than a plain text tooltip https://indieweb.org/hovercards
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takev[m] Has anyone gone with flat file storage and using something like Lucene for indexing information, rather than using a DB for indexing the files?
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takev[m] chrisaldrich: That is a FANTASTIC idea!
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GWG I wanted to do h-card hovercards someday
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takev[m] I have a five hour flight today. Might give it a try.
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chrisaldrich I built a hovercard snippet into my site to work with kevinmarks' Noter Live a few years back. Not sure if it's still working with my new theme though.
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chrisaldrich GWG, do photos/media in WP have taxonomy associated with them? If so, then a timecode based piece in combination with a custom tagged photo set could work...
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GWG chrisaldrich: They do not by default, but they can.
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chrisaldrich hovercards << http://aramzuckerscharff.com/ has an interesting avatar that when hovered provides details about other sites where he can be found
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Loqi ok, I added "http://aramzuckerscharff.com/ has an interesting avatar that when hovered provides details about other sites where he can be found" to the "See Also" section of /hovercard https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68087&oldid=48383
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[Jacob_Michelsen at once, so it might not work after all...
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[Jacob_Michelsen Thank you for the suggestions, especially [chrisaldrich]. So far I've been double-posting for regular Instagram Photos: Once on my own blog which is then propagated to Twitter, Mastodon etc, and then once on Instagram to get into the Facebook Ecosystem. Replies from the latter are actually backfed to my own blog thanks to some Bridgy wizardry. Allen's examples might allow me to skip the first step. However I usually post multiple photos
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takev[m] [Jacob_Michelsen: Do you have a guide on said wizardry?
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chrisaldrich I haven't looked at the state of the art in Instagram in a while. I'm not sure if things like /OwnYourGram, /SNAP, DsgnWrks Instagram Importer, et al still do some of the newer Instagram functionalities.
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aaronpk instagram has been locking stuff down more and more
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GWG aaronpk: Why does the jf2 spec say the references should be in a 'references' property, but xray does a 'refs' property?
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aaronpk ownyourgram can't automatically fetch anymore, but it can still import photos one by one manually
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aaronpk GWG: I don't remember why that happened but that's one of the examples of the ways that the spec does not reflect current implementations
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GWG aaronpk: Is anyone consuming refs?
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GWG Namely, is there a case for me to change my array?
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aaronpk pretty sure the readers are
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GWG Okay. WIll change my return then
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chrisaldrich Maybe it's worth trying out https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ and then sucking in the output to one's site? I'm pretty sure that snarfed supports multiple photos with that tool.
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chrisaldrich snarfed++
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chrisaldrich Ryan is woefully under-karma-ed. Loqi has been eating them again apparently.
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swentel GWG, I think I check refs with indigenous
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swentel (I was confused with that name property)
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swentel let me double check
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swentel I might do something in the drupal part, not sure anymore
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GWG swentel: Then if I push this change, and jackjamieson adds it upstream, that should enhance things.
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swentel GWG, so indigenous looks for refs
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GWG swentel: Two concurrences
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GWG Good enough for me
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swentel I manipulate it from the drupal side
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swentel which gives me more context indeed in posts
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swentel especially those from twitter
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swentel in case of reposts
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swentel would be good to get more feedback on the UI there
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[Jacob_Michelsen @takev Nothing I can take credit for, I just make sure my Instagram posts contain a link to my original blog post. Bridgy will then send webmentions there. I actually thought this worked for Facebook too, but I must have misremembered...
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swentel sometimes it isn't clear who the actual author is, tried switching now and then, but I guess I'm currently the only one that sees it :)
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takev[m] [Jacob_Michelsen: Ah, yeah. That's what I do when PESOSing Instagram. Facebook is the big problem.
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swentel GWG, might need to add a comment on https://github.com/indieweb/jf2/issues/41 then ?
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Loqi [aaronpk] #41 refs vs references
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[snarfed] [Jacob_Michelsen] https://brid.gy/about#rip-facebook
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swentel (and ignore my stupid comment, I have no idea what I was thinking there :)
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed sorry I haven't had a chance to work on it today - tomorrow hopefully!
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[snarfed] np! no hurry at all, totally up to you. just wanted to make sure it wasn't blocking at all
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aaronpk i reaaalllly need to fix my event handling on my own website now
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