#dev 2020-02-16

2020-02-16 UTC
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gRegorLove huh, neat
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gRegorLove nudge all the microformats!
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gRegorLove Loqi is slacking on his memes
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gRegorLove gives Loqi a meme
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Loqi throws the meme
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gRegorLove Rude
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[jgmac1106] could I use this store webmetions from webmentions.io https://gsuite.google.com/u/0/marketplace/app/api_connector/95804724197
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sknebel probably
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[jgmac1106] hmmm..might be worth exploring as plenty of tutorials to serve up content from gSheets
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[chrisaldrich] As I'm looking at Indigenous for Android again while waiting for Goodreads RSS feeds to update (ugh), I'm noticing that the UI in swentel's posts kindly has a drop down menu for to-read, reading, and finished. It was so subtle that I missed it the first time around.
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[chrisaldrich] swentel++ for an overly good job of /read posts in Indigenous
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Loqi swentel has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (36 in all channels)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++ for having read-status support in Post Kinds plugin for WordPress
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[Michael_Beckwit gives Loqi gRegor's meme
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[chrisaldrich] suspects that the Loqi bot thing is a myth and it's really just a puppet controlled by aaron. 😉
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: bot or puppet?
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Loqi puppet
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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gRegorLove hashtag facts
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@dshanske Webmentions for WordPress 4.0.3 Released: https://di5.us/b/uU (twitter.com/_/status/1228925830497263617)
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jgmac1106 what is pagination?
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Loqi pagination is a UI pattern for navigation across (typically chronologically) sequential pages that show one or more posts such as permalink post pages, archives, search results, and lists of tagged posts https://indieweb.org/pagination
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jgmac1106 Trying to brainstorm how to add pagination and the url structure for my artilces page: https://jgregorymcverry.com/articles
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jgmac1106 read Karthik and aaronpk do by year, was thinking every 12…not make it sate specific
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jgmac1106 not sure about /,1,2,3 because new articles added to /, I don’t want to have to move everything once a page exceed 12 articles
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jgmac1106 maybe I do articles/yyyy/mm and use that as inspiration to try and publish 10-12 articles a month
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jgmac1106 what happens then if I have a month with no writing? a 404? Maybe a redirect to the prev with a post
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jgmac1106 I will add a directory of months to my page not found: https://jgregorymcverry.com/pagenotfound so if someone was just poking around archives by messing with yyyy/mm url they can find months with stuff
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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jgmac1106 too confusing just going to add a <?php include ’nopostthismonth.php'; ?> to yyyy/mm without anything and link to all the months with
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swentel GWG, what happens if 'read-status' is not posted to WP, will post kinds still see it as a read post because of 'read-of' ?
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GWG Yes
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swentel ok, chris suggested making it optional in indigenous
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swentel he seems to happy with the feature :)
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swentel see https://boffosocko.com/2020/02/16/55767364/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Congratulations on the fantastic updates on Indigenous! The recent changes are making me wonder how I’ve lived all this time without it. My first use of the read post functionality was a tad confusing because I wasn’t aware that either the WordP...
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GWG I need to check how I set it up.
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GWG I was going through my RSS feeds to see how they parsed
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swentel hmm I'll have to add it to xray
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swentel it completely ignores those property iirc
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GWG swentel: I have to see if I'm ignoring it
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swentel will be a little slower the next weeks here though, almost off to scotland for 3 weeks
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swentel and most features I wanted are in, so time for a little break :)
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GWG swentel: Have fun
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[LewisCowles] jgmac1106 this sounds like what I was suggesting the other day RE: 404 handling and what happens if there is no month. You could use meta + http refresh to read the path and try to iterate to next month. It's not clean, but it would allow you to present a 404'ish screen, which is actually useful and continues to iterate the month until it hits one
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jgmac1106 ahh okay for now I cheated I just made a php file that says “Wow Greg was lazy this month, check out the archives from mnths when he got writing done <ul></ul>
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jgmac1106 then I made one file for each missing month, it isn;t many. this website only goes back to Nov 18 launched at NYC IWC
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[LewisCowles] 👍 has it taken over all 404's or just for the posts paths?
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[LewisCowles] I remember you were using single PHP files to post (unless I've imagined it)
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jgmac1106 just those post paths, but I need to fix some page first
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jgmac1106 yeah
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[LewisCowles] jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (86 in all channels)
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[LewisCowles] well done
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jgmac1106 I did somethign wrong though, won’t pick up my head or header: https://jgregorymcverry.com/articles/2020/02 very strange…same template I use for everything
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jgmac1106 I think putting it in a 2020 directory messed things up
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jgmac1106 should look like this: https://jgregorymcverry.com/myarticles
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jeremycherfas Continuing to decrease my dependence on DropBox, I currently have Arq backing up to AWS. When that's done, I think I'm going to move dailies to local storage and update AWS weekly.
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jgmac1106 I need to .. to go back a directory
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jeremycherfas On a scale of 1 to 10, how important would you say it is to host my own web fonts?
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[grantcodes] not very
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jeremycherfas That's good enough to demote in my list of things to do. Thanks
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[grantcodes] Set a fallback and you are technically fine, I would say the main reason not to would be potential tracking.
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jeremycherfas I'll leave it on the list then, and demote.
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jgmac1106 amy I writing this correct to go up one directory: <?php include('../head.php'); ?>
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jgmac1106 there we go: https://jgregorymcverry.com/articles/2020/02 I had to use an absolute path, probably same bug in my regex that doesn’t allow me to visit any directory page
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jgmac1106 !mf2 view-source:https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-02-16-1
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jgmac1106 oops !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-02-16-1
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jgmac1106 !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-02-16-1
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fnotes%2F2020-02-16-1
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jgmac1106 oops missing p-name
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[LewisCowles] first check if it's present and useful using var_dump or var_export; but it should be a (private server path) to your public web folder. It's no good for external or web-links, but perfect for including a header or common, core files
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[LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] there are some tricks for this going up a directory lark. One is to check `$_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']`
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[jgmac1106] I think my next in person IWC I will propose a session on low hanging fruit of automation with PHP and then beg someone to run the session
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[tantek] Uh there’s no such thing AFAIK as “low hanging fruit of automation” of any kind on a web server
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[tantek] They all require technical knowledge and the discipline to do regular maintenance
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jgmac1106 yeah but naming a session “teach Greg excatly what he needs” isn’t inclusive either…will try to think of better theme
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[tantek] I don’t think it’s a session thing. I think it’s a hours of hard study thing
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[Jeff_Hawkins] Every time I automate something I find myself having to do more manual work <grin>.
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superkuh I just log all http posts and sort through them with my eyes at the end of the day. Takes about 30 seconds/day. The payoff to automate it and handle all edge cases is probably many work hours away.
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[LewisCowles] Feel like I'm missing some context for superkuh, but it's a good approach to keep logs. Algorithms are man-made or made by man-made things. Not one of them is without flaw. Especially if context is lost.
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[LewisCowles] jgmac1106. Maybe a questions and answer micro-pub site would be able to help?
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superkuh Yeah, my fault for not reading the backlog more than 2 lines. *I* missed the context.
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superkuh I was just talking about webmention implementation.
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[LewisCowles] Very nice. So you manually register web-mentions?
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jgmac1106 LewisCowles I was playing with Kirby and that was the best place to have a community to learn some basic PHP., i bet the Perch discussion boards were the same
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superkuh Yep. Then I use curl to respond, if I respond.
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jgmac1106 I was doing the codeacademy courses but my free trial expired
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[LewisCowles] Perch by Drew & Rachel?
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[LewisCowles] Also CPD-Budget++
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Loqi CPD-Budget has 1 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] CPD budget is both financial and time, patience and humility
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jgmac1106 yeah, I am sure they must have an active dev board somewhere, just a guess, really liked the Kirby guides they helped me learn some stuff
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[LewisCowles] the p can either be professional or personal. I prefer personal as it gives me agency in what I choose to learn.
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[LewisCowles] As a fan of empiricism I've found boards can be limited. Best to take all groups with a pinch of salt. Think about what they are saying at all times and try to grab the best parts.
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@dance2die Ignore me. Just testing Webmention: https://sung.codes/blog/2020/01/23/opening-a-new-tab-from-office-ui-fabric-nav/ https://sung.codes/blog/2019/12/25/building-gatsby-with-git-hub-actions-and-deploying-to-netlify/ https://sung.codes/blog/2018/12/18/page-not-found-on-netlify-with-react-router/ (twitter.com/_/status/1229149895174561803)
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[Jeff_Hawkins] Sometimes doing things manually for a while sets the process really needed in your mind to where, when you see the answer, you'll recognize it.
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@dance2die Ignore me one more time... Testing webmention again https://sung.codes/blog/2018/12/18/page-not-found-on-netlify-with-react-router/ (twitter.com/_/status/1229151800374317056)
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Loqi [Jeff_Hawkins] has 1 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] [Jeff_Hawkins] ++ agreed
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[snarfed] hey jamietanna, you around?
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jamietanna[m] hey snarfed
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jamietanna[m] For a little bit but off to bed shortly
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[snarfed] np!
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jamietanna[m] That's updated now - I've used `url` which seems to be present even on your example 👍️ if not found it'll return a 400. hopefully you're happy with that?
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@danielpietzsch Webmentions This site can now receive Webmentions. Either directly or via Twitter (with Bridgy’s help). Webmentions are a standard and open way to send and receive common social-media reactions like “comments”, “likes” or “replies” via and on any site.… https://danielpietzsch.com/articles/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1229173400167501826)
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[snarfed] jamietanna: sure! requiring url is fine, and that error should be descriptive enough to be user visible
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[snarfed] so i think the bridgy PR is ready!
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[snarfed] it does show a few raw API JSON errors directly to the user right now, eg this when i try to rsvp to a group's event that i'm not a member of: `Error: {"errors":[{"code":"member_error","message":"Invalid member"}]} HTTP Error 400: Bad Request`
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[snarfed] and this when i rsvp to a nonexistent url (that passes the regex): `Error: {"errors":[{"code":"group_error","message":"Invalid group urlname xyz"}]} HTTP Error 404: Not Found`
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[snarfed] but those can be cleaned up later, they don't need to block deploy
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jamietanna[m] Awesome thanks! Hmm, did you want those resolved before we put it live?
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[snarfed] i'm ready to merge and deploy live if you ware
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jamietanna[m] Ah awesome 😁
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[snarfed] thanks again for your patience!
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jamietanna[m] Yes please! It's bed time for me here, so I'll get my blog post finished and released in the morning
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jamietanna[m] Having it live in the meantime would be awesome
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[snarfed] ok! here we go
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jamietanna[m] Awesome! Do you mind if I do a big announce post or did you want to do one too/instead?
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[snarfed] go for it!
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[snarfed] oh btw i usually handle specific errors from silo APIs by just pulling out the human-readable field, eg `message` here, and returning it directly as the user-visible error message
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[snarfed] feel free to do that here
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[snarfed] so now that you've got this whole thing down, is goodreads next? 😎
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[snarfed] it's live btw!
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jamietanna[m] Ah cool - that's a good idea, I'll do that
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jamietanna[m] Haha maybe 😉 few others sound interested in it tho!
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jamietanna[m] Hmm it's not yet showing for me but I'll try again in a few mins
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[snarfed] hmm!
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[snarfed] you're in an elite club now, just you and kyle and me have ever added a whole new silo
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[snarfed] thank you! and congrats!
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jamietanna[m] Thanks 😁 and thanks for the help with getting there
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed I'm heading to bed - hope you manage to find out why the home page of bridgy doesn't show the sign in button for Meetup
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jamietanna[m] I see https://brid.gy/about#meetup-rsvp so it's definitely deployed
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[snarfed] jamietanna odd, it's definitely there for me