[jgmac1106]its one vcard hcard I haven't deleted yet.....messes me up every time...if you have time some day you could probably show me what I am doing wrong
[LewisCowles]I don't know how all the write your own are coping. It's been a while since I've written greenfield without a team and It's kicking me places I'd forgotten about.
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[jgmac1106]is this true?: Tunes supports feeds that start with “https://”, but only from eight popular SSL certificate providers. If this feed uses HTTPS, this tests whether it uses a compatible certificate provider.
[jeremycherfas]Hey [aaronpk] When Overland sends a trip notice to a micropub, what is the payload? Is is just the entire trip {} blob? I’m thinking of setting up something to receive only that.
sknebelZegnat: e.g. there's the NIST randomness beacon: https://beacon.nist.gov/home, but I'm fairly sure you can also construct something useful that doesn't need external parties at all to get random numbers
ZegnatI was thinking if you want to webmention me with the move you are making your pokemon use, something needs to decide whether it hits or not. And neither me or you are trusted enough to decide it ourselves as that would easily allow for cheating.
ZegnatThe problem with that one is the wait times I guess? E.g. you do an attack, then we need to wait for the number to see the result of it before I can make my move?
takev[m]One issue I can think of is hidden information. Part of the strategy comes from both players selecting a move at the same time. So there needs to be a way to hide that information until the turn is executed.
sknebelone way to "roll dice" with hashes: I publish a hash of some secret data. You say "I attack, random number decides if valid. Here's a random string of my choosing". I combine your string with my secret data, generate a result from that, reply "you lost. Here's my secret data, so you can verify you really lost"
ZegnatThe service may have a post that is the start signal. Only after receiving a reply from both parties will the service show and update the results
ZegnatYes. Or really any /unlisted post could work. As long as you only mention the third party you do not really need to protect the page any further than from casual browsing finding it
ZegnatYes, I can commit to what move I want to make. But that does not solve whether my move will actually hit/miss/be critical. I still need random there.
sknebelyour seed is committed (because you published a hash of it) but private before you reveal it (so the player going second can't create a seed that gives them the result they want)
ZegnatAah. You would go “I will use data with hash(x) to decide whether your attack hit me.” Then I say “please add y to it”. Then the response is “the original data x + y gives a result if z”
takev[m]Actually, one issue is that if both players use the same move twice in a row, we'll get the same results both times. So a third piece of information would be good. Maybe turn number?
takev[m]Okay, so both players generate a random hash. When they exchange moves, they also send that hash. Once both are obtained, they combine the two in a PRNG and generate random numbers in the order dictated by speed and priority?
takev[m]The algorithm would probably be: For each pokemon, generate 1-N numbers. Assign them by speed and other factors. So, say we have a battle, and I've got a Pikachu and Zegnat has a Eevee. Eevee is faster. We generate 4 numbers, the first is chance to hit for Eevee, second is chance to crit for Eevee, third is chance to hit for Pikachu, fourth is chance to crit.
sknebel(of course we have the entire social layer of "what does happen if you edit your post and then complain I didn't use the right secret" still. Sprinkle signatures on top? :P)
ZegnatI guess that means both players first announce their move commits and the hashes of their secrets. Then both announce their secrets. And then the secrets are combined into a PRNG for x rolls? takev[m]
sknebelZegnat: no, you sign your post. I keep a copy and can show all your (nerdy enough...) friends that you posted that and then claimed you didn't, you cheat :P
ZegnatSo for every move it will be 2 messages for each player, and then one message from anyone (either one of the players or a helper) with “dice rolls”
takev[m]Okay, so we sign the moves and send the signature to verify that we've committed. Once both players have committed, we can generate hashes and send them to each other at the same time as we send the plaintext post. From there, we can calculate what has happened.
takev[m]Maybe we send the current status (HP/Effect/Fainted) of our team to each other in order to verify that we've finished, and the next turn can start.
ZegnatYou would send a hashed move (so it is blind for the other player) and the hash of your secret in the first message. Then the second message is both your move and your secret in the clear. Roll will be based on combining both clearsecrets.
takev[m]Oh, one other thing. Your team is supposed to be a secretish. Like, they can know what the party is, but not really the items and stats. So perhaps at the start of the battle we send a hash of the party?
ZegnatHonestly if you get it to work in plaintext first, you already have it working. You can then even do it cross-network with people who cannot add full mf2 markup anywhere.
Zegnattakev[m]: one of the dice rolls could decide variable number of times. I do not remember the math on those moves though. Is it an equal distribution?
ZegnatThis is why chess works very well when written out, and games like this get harder because people added rules that are only easy for computers :P
[jgmac1106]gRegorLove yeah just add an input field checkbox to syndicate to https://indieweb.xyz/en/bookclub/ though be cool if kickscondor added a way to sort by p-name or indiebookclub had option for a read post or h-review
gRegorLove[jgmac1106], re: indiebookclub and syndication, if a micropub endpoint listed indieweb.xyz as a syndicate-to destination, IBC could show that as a checkbox...
gRegorLoveDisregard that, I guess it doesn't matter... simplest implementation is to list "[ ] syndicate to [name]" based on what the mp endpoint returns, don't need a pre-defined list.
[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I have gotten so close on two really popular event plugins to be proper h-events that work with semantic linkbacks
[chrisaldrich] Which ones? Where's the code?
[datashaman] this might be useful for some.
[jeremycherfas] That could be handy. Thanks.
@kevinmarks ↩️ Well, you can keep up with them via http://brid.gy (though not the only on Facebook ones as their api is only for exploitation, not for users) (twitter.com/_/status/1233049542343450626)
Zegnat I think it may look something like this? https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/fc7d37547960c28df1c839b24a8eef9b
Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden (CEST or Europe/Stockholm timezone). Pronouns: he or they https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
gRegorLove [jgmac1106], re: indiebookclub and syndication, if a micropub endpoint listed indieweb.xyz as a syndicate-to destination, IBC could show that as a checkbox...