#dev 2020-03-12

2020-03-12 UTC
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[Michael_Beckwit
i’m at a coffee shop as I type this, and it’s 7pm
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GWG
Zegnat: Re distraction, I added more Parse This code. YouTube doesn't link to their RSS feeds so I added a function to generate them from a YouTube URL.
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GWG
Also parsing tv and movies from IMDb so I could cite them if I posted I am watching something and going to do music from discogs
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[jgmac1106]
I do the "google local guide" as it is actually turning into tangible benefits as businesses have started to seek out my reviews
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Zegnat
The YouTube RSS feeds discovery is on the indieweb wiki too, if you want to check if you got them all
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Zegnat
IMDb is interesting!
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GWG
JSON-LD again
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GWG
I don't like schema, but it is certainly better than nothing
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GWG
And why YouTube can't put in a rel alternate like everyone else...
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GWG
And yes, I got them all
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GWG
I also did something experimental with my mf2 return
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GWG
JSON-LD on many sites has a publisher property that is an organization object that I'm mapping to a p-publication h-card so I can get the organization URL and logo in my return
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@xsteadfastx
was man im corana mock so macht... #webmentions ins blog einbauen #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/1238128443633668098)
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jacky
I kind of like how Mastodon highlights that a mention of a person lives on a non-AP-friendly site http://noctule.jacky.wtf/s/d98MnRRYNsYrxpm
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jacky
granted, we'd lean on URLs and one's preferred name but this signaling helps if I wanted to continue to reply to one of the mentioned parties
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aaronpk
interesting
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[yo]
it’s all about the reader experience!
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jacky
tests++ for finding out why I had to double import webmentions to get them to appear on my site
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Loqi
tests has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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jacky
I'm tempted to benchmark things, which don't matter for personal stuff but like knowing me; once I can get a client that rivals the performance/quality of things like Twitter's mobile client; speed will be important to me
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[LewisCowles]
The Quantified world is certainly easier to reason about
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jacky
w.r.t well-known
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jacky
a lot of people use it (haphazardly tho, with no explicit documentation - if you know, you know)
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jacky
I do expose `.well-known/nodeinfo` (nodeinfo) on my site
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jacky
I might consider adding one for DNT
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jacky
most of the stuff in host-meta can be expressed in HTML
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jacky
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6415 (I see references to copyright, websub, etc)
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jacky
but again
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jacky
all of this can be represented in HTML
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jacky
on one page
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jacky
I guess the reasoning for putting it elsewhere is to not deal with 'parsing HTML' which isn't _that_ much of a burden - it's like shipped with any computer
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jacky
XML that is
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sknebel
some of it also makes sense to be independently maintained
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sknebel
no need to patch your off-the-shelf software that shows your front page to include it
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jacky
wouldn't have to patch it if the software is extensible ;)
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jacky
or had a flag for enabling this bits of exposure
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sknebel
sure, *if* :)
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[AlisonW]
but so long as you fill in all the options programmatically there's no actual _harm_ in repeating the info in different places if it makes some systems easier to implement
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[tantek]
kinda really dislike the "xyz.txt" thing, almost enough to label it an anti-pattern
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[tantek]
though it's mostly harmless so I haven't bothered really writing anything up about it. just distracts from actual useful standards efforts
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[tantek]
I mean come on, how can anyone hate on those cute graphics?
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wink
but they messed it up with / and not .well-known
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wink
they came late enough to actually been able to think about it
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[tantek]
nah, they identified that .well-known is crap for usability
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wink
sure, but who reads those humans.txt?
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wink
nerds, who don't care for usability
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[tantek]
nah, nerds care for usability, just often in different/weird ways, e.g. unix CLIs
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wink
it's a few extra chars. I meant nerds in the sense of "if I can type /favicon.ico I could also type /.well-known/favicon.ico"
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wink
the nerd barrier in this context is as low as understanding urls
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[tantek]
yup, excellent proof that "a few extra chars" matters
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wink
as in you wouldn't have checked it at google?
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wink
because of the typing?
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[tantek]
yup, more typing = fewer people bother. usability
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[tantek]
the ultimate evidence of that is all the short unix CLI commands
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wink
no, that's backwards logic
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wink
all the good ones were taken very early
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wink
of course they were short.
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[tantek]
nah, it's reasoning from evidence. science
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[tantek]
hmm, I'd say that reasoning is faulty because of the example of Twitter, where people *ignored* short usernames for ~2 years
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wink
I'm pretty sure it was disallowed at the start
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[tantek]
also false by way of evidence 😄
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wink
I think I remember when @h got his
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wink
also which evidence?
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@t
renames self to "T" to increase max chars per msg - thus setting off single char name landgrab.
(twitter.com/_/status/128033)
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[tantek]
(landgrab didn't happen til 2 years later)
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wink
ok, you could've linked that earlier
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[LewisCowles]
Cant we just dislike .well-known & similar for emotional reasons?
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[tantek]
why dislike them for emotional reasons when you can use usability to debunk them fully?
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[LewisCowles]
its too eay to hit out at tech for technical reasons
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wink
you can also dislike that fqdns are backwards for users while they are are actually the other way round
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wink
I've never seen any studies if it had made more sense to have the hierachy with the root at the start
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[LewisCowles]
Java is a case-study in why packages with backwards domain names are stupid
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wink
why?
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[LewisCowles]
uk.co.lewiscowles
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[LewisCowles]
dual TLD's
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[LewisCowles]
They convey the wrong thing first
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wink
ok, what came first? co.uk or the DNS? :)
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wink
so maybe introducing co.uk was the real culprit
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wink
and yes, I'm not defending Java here, they came later. but the order is actually correct
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[LewisCowles]
It's not the only 2-tier tld
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wink
so you're disliking it for emotional reasons? :P
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[LewisCowles]
😉 see it works
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[LewisCowles]
TBH I think tantek.com is better for the reason non-english ordering subject, detail makes more sense
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[LewisCowles]
the subject is tantek, the detail of where it lives is supplementary
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[LewisCowles]
all TLD's seem rather unnecessary in a global context
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[tantek]
in terms of "ordering", just going to leave this here: https://xkcd.com/1179/
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[LewisCowles]
As far as dates, that is the ONLY correct way to write dates
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wink
yeah, least specific to most specific
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[LewisCowles]
it's not least specific
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[LewisCowles]
it's least changing first
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wink
when? 2020
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wink
when? march 12th
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wink
I find that very much less specific
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[LewisCowles]
so if we managed to work out further details, like solar ages, we could pre-pend the year and have ordering work
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[LewisCowles]
I'm not 100% sold on the 2000 year garbage
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[LewisCowles]
but nobody will participate in very long dates with me
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[tantek]
taking the "2000 garbage" to chat
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wink
if completely ignoring everyone who changed handles or left twitter or uses digits, I see 60% of 1 and 2 letter handles being taken by accounts created i nthe first 2 years
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wink
napkin math
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wink
not saying they were all gone instantly but "ignored" sounds different if we assume that not all of them waited for 2 years but followed your example in the first year
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wink
s/sounds/looks/
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[tantek]
yeah they were renames
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[tantek]
there were maybe 3 actual grabs until 2008 sometime, at which point a spammer/squatter grabbed the rest
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[tantek]
then those were released one at a time to most of the people that have them today
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aaronpk
the date the account shows it was created is the date of the original account, not the date of the last rename
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wink
I said that I'm willing to ignore that because I'm not starting to crawl archive.org now
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wink
or maybe I was just unluicky that my initials as a 2letter combo were gone a lot sooner. I can't imagine I didn't try it
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[tantek]
2 letter combos were grabbed much sooner than most of the 1 letters