#dev 2020-03-11

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[LewisCowles] https://github.com/microformats/microformats.io/pull/41
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@xsteadfastx so leude.... webmentions anybody? (twitter.com/_/status/1237660132617719809)
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[jeremycherfas] This is stupidly annoying. Something (I suspect the cleaning person) happened to my keyboard yesterday and now all my keyboard shortcuts have vanished and Karabiner won’t do the hyper-key thing at all. My muscle memory is driving me nuts. I think I am just going to have to dig in and try to understand what happened and how to fix it.
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[renem] Hi Guys, the last few days I implemented some more indieweb functionality to my website and now am wondering what I did wrong with the u-reply-to to a Mastodon conversation. I replied on my own site and included the link to the post I'm answering too in the u-in-replyto mf. After publishing (with Hugo & Netlify) to my blog I opened Bridgy and published to Mastodon (still manual for now). The Toot got published but looks a bit "weird". It is a
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[renem] reply to the toot, but the author didn't get mentioned like in normal conversations.
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[renem] Do I've to include the mention to someone explicitly in the post body with a proper URL as well? Here is where I struggly with the replying. The status on Mastodon is this one: https://mastodon.social/@renem/103803914242101908
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Loqi [René] Eine gute und detaillierte Berichterstattung ist hier schon angebracht. Immerhin hoffe ich dass dadurch bei mehr Leuten ein Bewusstsein geschaffen wird auf rudimentäre Dinge zu achten die eine Ausbreitung eindämmen oder verlangsamen, denn noch sind...
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[jeremycherfas] !tell Rose You use Karabiner elements, right? My Caps-Lock to Hyper has stopped working and removing and replacing has not made any difference. Suggestions?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Rose] Remove Karabiner Elements and it's associated files using something like AppCleaner, reinstall, try again?
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[jeremycherfas] Ah, tech support of the finest kind. 🙂 I suppose in the end that would be simplest.
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[jgmac1106] René you may want to check the /mastodon page. They do not support webmentions. So you u-in-reply-to will not thread I believe. Some people have a fediverse version of their own sites.
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@khurtwilliams ↩️ @mrkrndvs If @automattic added support for Webmentions to the WordPress core we would be having a different conversation. (twitter.com/_/status/1237754674658324481)
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[jgmac1106] ugggh my Known site been slowing to a crawl lately, no idea if it is a shared host, database issue, or bandwidth, but publishing takes too long, makes conversating hard
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[jgmac1106] I am serving up about 400-800 mb of bandwidth a minute. Is that alot?
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[jgmac1106] never know how to read my server metrics
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[LewisCowles] It's a fair amount for a single server. Perhaps it's the video's. Maybe time to put them somewhere dedicated for video serving (S3?)
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[LewisCowles] It's 1152000MB per-day
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[jgmac1106] my shared host promises unlimited bandwidth, guess maybe it does get throttled,
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[LewisCowles] 1TB/day per server is not awful for shared hosting
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[jgmac1106] around 120 gigs a month is what I average, so must be a spike now
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[jgmac1106] I already have the s3 buckets, and ec2...maybe time..,but I hate when unlimited doesn't mean unlimited
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[jgmac1106] well feb was 500 gb of bandwidth, forgot March isn't over, still small, probably right. just published a video, just a spike
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aaronpk wait what
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petermolnar 400-800 MB or Mb? if it's MB it's A LOT
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aaronpk either way that's a lot
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[jgmac1106] yeah I have no sense of scale on these things
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[jgmac1106] my last week
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aaronpk i'm at 10 megabytes per minute across all my websites
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[jgmac1106] ...wow....wonder what I am doing wrong, you serve up way more content
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aaronpk no videos though
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[jgmac1106] that has to be it, may add a tiny bit of analytics on the videos to track
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[jgmac1106] I seem to fall between 200-300 MB/min on most days
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[jgmac1106] this is today, may take Peter and Lewis advice and look at AWS for my video
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petermolnar that's going to cost you a ton
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sknebel first, find out *what* is needing the traffic
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sknebel also yeah, Amazon is not the cheap way to host large files
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[KevinMarks] I thought you were using archive.org for video
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aaronpk learning how (relatively) simple video hosting is compared to what i thought it took, i'm really tempted to start hosting actual long videos on my own server now instead of just posting them on youtube
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[jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] I was but they made a change at archive.org and their forums are useless
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[jgmac1106] no one replies
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[jgmac1106] but like [aaronpk] said I like hosting my video it isn't too hard and cool to own my video
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[jgmac1106] I shoot at 720p to reduce size, 480p if I know Ghana primary audience
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[jgmac1106] with archive.org you used to be able to switch out /details/ to /downloads/ in the url and get the url for the media source
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[jgmac1106] they made some change and did not document what, anywhere, that I can find
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] now that Granary supports fragments I can serve up both mf2 and rss feeds for all my shows on my video page
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@BaulCN webmention test https://approachai.com/gewuzhiyong/xiang-bei-chu-fa (twitter.com/_/status/1237774562605043712)
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[KevinMarks] hm, I go to https://archive.org/details/vid20190707203950 which I uploaded
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[jgmac1106] https://archive.org/download/vid20190707203950 used to go to source file
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[KevinMarks] then https://archive.org/download/vid20190707203950 shows the variants, did that change?
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[jgmac1106] yes, not sure why and can find no documentation
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[jgmac1106] and it is not universal, I noticed when all my podcast links I used to host on archive.org stopped working
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[KevinMarks] then https://archive.org/download/vid20190707203950/VID_20190707_203950.mp4 is the file
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[KevinMarks] I shoudl check that too
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[jgmac1106] https://archive.org/post/1106251/replacing-details-and-downloads-no-longer-works-for-embedding-video-and-audio
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[KevinMarks] mine still work
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[jgmac1106] it is about 50-50 for me, some do and some do not
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[KevinMarks] eg https://archive.org/details/Tummelvision54JeffJarvis is linked to http://media.blubrry.com/tummelvision/p/www.archive.org/download/Tummelvision54JeffJarvis/Tummelvision54_JeffJarvisOnHisPublicPartsRevolutionaryTechnologiesAndMediaDisruption.mp3 which 302s to http://www.archive.org/download/Tummelvision54JeffJarvis/Tummelvision54_JeffJarvisOnHisPublicPartsRevolutionaryTechnologiesAndMediaDisruption.mp3
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[jgmac1106] https://archive.org/details/2toPonder/2toPonderSe02Ep16.m4a
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[jgmac1106] goes to https://archive.org/download/2toPonder/2toPonderSe02Ep16.m4a
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[jgmac1106] thx for help Kevin. That is enough to help me poke around a bit
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[KevinMarks] so if you copy the url from the directory listing page and use that in your <video> or <audio> it shoudl work
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[KevinMarks] https://archive.org/download/2toPonder has a lot of files, presumably each episode
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[KevinMarks] hm, I see what you . mean, there is some inconsistency on directory naming, but I think if you get the full file path from the directory, it should be stable
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[KevinMarks] which would be https://ia600709.us.archive.org/25/items/2toPonder/2toPonderEpisode16.m4a for that one
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jacky aaronpk: re: video hosting, I'm still drafting how I want to do this
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aaronpk nice
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jacky my biggest "issue" is transcoding and probably getting that to my site (like do I mark every video url in a video post or only the canonical one?)
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[jgmac1106] jacky here is what I did: https://jgregorymcverry.com/myvideos
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[jgmac1106] I publish each video as it own post and then do collections, each show being it's own h-feed, which granary then serves up as RSS for everyone else
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aaronpk yeah for anything beyond simple mp4 file hosting we're going to need some other markup for videos
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[jgmac1106] my biggest is transcription, and the time it takes
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[jgmac1106] don't mind the big empty space at top of page, it is for a featured video,...just have nothing to feature
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sknebel video variants seems similar to image srcset
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jacky true
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sknebel although people there also have repeatedly said that it'd be nice to get from the parsers and then been quiet when asked about formats etc
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jacky my concern/want is to allow readers to pick formats / types if necessary
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aaronpk i'm also talking about the whole chunked playlist thing
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sknebel ah ok
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sknebel guess that's in a way also just a "video format", but of course its represented differently in HTML
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sknebel (I think? I forget what the state of that in browsers is)
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aaronpk i thought there was no native support in browsers for that, it requires javascript like video-js
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sknebel that was my last state too
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sknebel so it'd be weird to put it in a <video> tag
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sknebel or you treat it + the player JS as an embed
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sknebel (similar to how people thought about putting YT and other embeds in properties)
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sknebel which we also dont have a convention for
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aaronpk video-js works by putting the playlist in the source element
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aaronpk like <source src="/index.m3u8" type="application/x-mpegURL" />
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aaronpk inside <video>
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aaronpk i dunno what a browser does with that without javascript
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[jgmac1106] is that this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLMediaElement/videoTracks?
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aaronpk not sure
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[jgmac1106] yeah building a playlist was beyond me and I couldn't find good documentation
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[KevinMarks] there is browser support in Safari and on mobile OSs https://caniuse.com/#feat=http-live-streaming
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sknebel oh ok. well, I guess it makes sense, because if browser did it they would expect it there
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sknebel so probably expossing the source tags is enough
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aaronpk ah right safari does it because apple made up the format
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[KevinMarks] seems odd to only doit int the android fork of chrome
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aaronpk i wonder what's holding them back from bringing it to the desktop
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[yo] youtube
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[yo] lol
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aaronpk oh no
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[KevinMarks] I asked Alex https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1237787924546101249?s=20
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@kevinmarks @slightlylate @devongovett semi-related - any idea why support for HLS is mobile only on the Chrome side? https://caniuse.com/#feat=http-live-streaming (twitter.com/_/status/1237787924546101249)
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[KevinMarks] it may be a 'which standards body' thing - Apple took it to IETF I think
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG Zegnat: When you tried to add YouTube support to xray what were you looking for?
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Zegnat Subscribing to channels in readers without relying on hidden RSS feeds
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Zegnat I think I really got started on it when they redesigned the follows page and no longer showed the export opml button. I became fearful of my feeds.
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GWG Zegnat, I only saw you parsing single pages, not channels
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Zegnat Did I never merge channel support? Pretty sure I had both that and playlists
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GWG I am just looking at the first commit
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GWG one second
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GWG I was able to get everything you got in the page commit without a key
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Zegnat https://github.com/Zegnat/XRay/commit/50640a23954d0d68f693f7c06eef68f1a519dfa5 seems to introduce playlists. Maybe I never finalised channels, though thought I haf
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GWG Zegnat: https://github.com/dshanske/parse-this/commit/e385e0210805a847f1621a7164015eae775dfcaf
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GWG I just got single pages so far
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GWG But no API key needed
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GWG My new hobby is looking for json blobs
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Zegnat I went API because XRay already had precedent for API key requirements and it seemed most stable
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GWG Zegnat: I am attempting to avoid API keys
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GWG It's a dependency I dislike
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Zegnat A preg_match to find a JSON blob does not sound like the most secure and stable solution to me 😅
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Zegnat Yeah, I can understand that.
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GWG Zegnat: I agree. But I now support JSON-LD and OGP...so it will come up with something if YouTube breaks it
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GWG Zegnat: Isn't that how the Instagram parsing works also?
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Zegnat My end goal was still feeds, which means "something" was not enough. But different end goals probably!
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Zegnat Yes, but Instagram does not give us the option of an API and is therefor an arm's race
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GWG Parse This does feeds and single mode
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GWG Feed mode for Yarns
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GWG Single for link previews
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Zegnat So I guess now I need to go and add YouTube feeds to Parse This? ;)
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GWG Zegnat: I'm not against API keys
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GWG I use 12 in Simple Location
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GWG I am thinking of users who won't bother
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GWG I need to redo Parse This to better allow replacing one of the pieces with an API version seamlessly
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GWG Zegnat: I would do it for you if it would incentivize you to join us
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GWG I considered adding Twitter feeds
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Zegnat GWG, currently the only thing that would incentivise me is admin ui. Everything else I know I can patch. I can probably hook any CMS up to XRay and reuse whatever code I have there.
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Zegnat That does not mean that I can not be swayed to look into e.g. youtube issues on Parse This if people keep nudging me ;)
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GWG Zegnat: Have you tried Parse This?
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GWG I would love feedback
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GWG The GitHub version has a post form in the WordPress UI for testing
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GWG It is tied to WordPress, but it could be rewritten to not need ot
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GWG Also needs cleanup
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Zegnat I was just going to ask if it could run outside of WP, hehe. How are its unit tests?
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GWG Zegnat, needs some
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GWG On my list
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GWG But I really wanted to not always rely on aaronpk. Although I was inspired by xray in some cases
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[tantek] Whoa lots I missed here. Any messages?
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[tantek] Going to figure I'm ok then 🙂
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gRegorLove !tell tantek feliz cumpleaños!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] 🥳
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Loqi [tantek]: gRegorLove left you a message 12 minutes ago: feliz cumpleaños!
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@tc_gumus webmention try outs https://pikseladam.com (twitter.com/_/status/1237832048624250880)
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@JamieTanna #IndieWeb folks who still interact with Twitter - how do you consume it? Do you use https://Twitter.com and share it to your ie Micropub client? Do you subscribe to it with your Microsub / Social Reader? Or something else? (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/03/wwsya/) (twitter.com/_/status/1237875594810937344)
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[tantek] I just had a challenging "hours open" experience
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[tantek] Google Maps said only open til 4pm, I went anyway because I know Google Maps is often wrong
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[tantek] (and I'm an optimist that things are correct in my favor, in contrast to what THE MACHINE says)
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[tantek] Turned out IT WAS WRONG, and the venue is open til 7pm T-Sa
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GWG How do you tell them?
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[tantek] HOWEVER, they only accept breakfast sandwich orders until 3:45pm 😭
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[tantek] HOWEVER when I ordered I told them it was my birthday and I'd always wanted to try this place so at the time of ordering they offered me any baked good on the house so I chose a brownie.
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[tantek] I only found out later that they were not making breakfast sandwiches any more as the slightly more experienced worker told the 3 day worker who had taken my order and then refunded.
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[tantek] So the question is how do we mark-up these different opening hours, perhaps even the fact that Google Maps is providing misinformation, so that (AKA USE-CASE / USER STORY) an indieweb venue search engine would provide both the correct information and give you the heads-up that Google Maps is wrong just in case you were going to use that for nav and get an errant warning that "the venue will be closed by the time you get there"?
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[KevinMarks] One of the reasons I do the 'google local guide' thing is to fix opening hours for businesses round here. The ux they have, and foursquares are pretty good.
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[tantek] I'm tired of doing free labor for Google
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[tantek] I'd rather post that they're wrong and make them do the work of indexing it 😛
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[tantek] I'm ok with contributing to Foursquare because they still behave quite ethically and aren't primarily dependent on advertising surveillance capitalism. Plus their personal temporal archive and search features are quite well done
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[tantek] Perhaps I should use Google's own misinformation schema to markup their Google Maps misinformation 😛
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[KevinMarks] I'm not doing it for google, I'm doing it for the little cafe near me that can't work out why people don't come after 4
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[tantek] Yeah