#dev 2020-03-14

2020-03-14 UTC
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jacky https://saltpack.org/ rather
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @cheukting_ho: My site is at http://cheuk.dev - I just upgraded again and took my articles out of medium and onto my own website. I don't have webmention yet, so I want to link that up this weekend (twitter.com/_/status/1238779576245014529)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @ohhelloana: I have micropub and webmentions, but I didn't like the way they look, so this weekend I am converting to eleventy as I understand js better than ruby (twitter.com/_/status/1238783743961305089)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: I post to my site using a mobile app called indigenous, which uses micropub, and I read with a microsub client at http://alltogethernow.io (twitter.com/_/status/1238786116561575936)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Sebastiaan Andeweg: You can log into my site with indieauth and can see some hidden posts including checkins from swarm (twitter.com/_/status/1238788221380763649)
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[jgmac1106] sebsel automating the article cards on my homepage and on https://jgregorymcverry.com/articles/2020/02 be neat, first I need to fix the grid so single items don't stretch, gonna do that with the subgrid update
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sebsel [jgmac1106]: hm, getting the data and displaying the data are two different things. one does not necessarily have to wait for the other
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[jgmac1106] yeah I am thinking I could name the strings and figure it out, probably too much for this weekend
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sebsel name which strings?
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[jgmac1106] with everything shut down for weeks I might start up the PHP codeacademy course again, was waiting for summer....but it might already be here
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[jgmac1106] not sure probably saying wrong thing, I am thiking in my article tempalte I could add a variable to different parts and then call them on the feed page to builkd the cards...long term brainstorming way past my current knowledge
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[jgmac1106] this is as far as I got before the semester started and I hit pause: https://jgregorymcverry.com/phpnotes.txt
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[jgmac1106] that was the real reason I liked Kirby, it was learning by doing, good community to learn PHP, active forum, helpful and teaching customer service
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sebsel yes, the main problem you are having here, I think, is that there is no abstraction in your articles. They are just separate pages.
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sebsel that is not necessarily a bad thing, but it makes it harder to extract data out of them
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sebsel ofcourse, you marked them up with Microformats, so that could be a way to extract the data out again
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sebsel but that feels like overkill to me
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[jgmac1106] yeah..trying to decide if I just add a bit of data storage using PHP, for now it isn't bad....but I always fall behind in updating my feeds..end up with many unlisted posts
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sebsel yes, you are not really using the dynamic things PHP gives you: you are only using it to include a header and footer in every page.
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[jgmac1106] also another reason I liked Kirby...everything was flat file but important parts automated. never really used the publishing ui
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sebsel You could turn that around: add only the HTML in the posts-files and let some other page insert that to add the headers and footers.
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[jgmac1106] ...yep on my homeoage will not add anything until I understand it...bout as far as I have gotten in my PHP learnings
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[jgmac1106] oooh interesting idea....need to take a lego break with my son.....brb...gonna be a long few weeks
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sebsel That is what Kirby adds for you: it extracts the content into separate files (the content/*.txt) than the templates (site/templates/*.php), and by doing so it is able to parse information out of the files and display it in different ways in different contexts
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sebsel it's kind of hard to create that on your own if you don't really know PHP that well
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sebsel first thing you can do is list the contents of your posts-files and list them as links, but getting the titles out of those files is harder if they only contain HTML
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sebsel which in itself is a benefit, because files with just HTML are easier to write by hand
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sebsel pro's and con's
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sebsel have a nice Lego break
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@kevinmarks tweeting about webmentions http://www.kevinmarks.com/buildingblocks.html (twitter.com/_/status/1238815647431372804)
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[jgmac1106] is there a site search engine tool that relies on mf2, like parse and then use the JSON to search?
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[jgmac1106] who is jmac?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Jmac.org
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[jgmac1106] @jmac didn't you do some neat analytic project recently?
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[jgmac1106] foudn it
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[jgmac1106] https://fogknife.com/2018-01-03-announcing-bise-a-blog-readership-reporter.html
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[jgmac1106] I see it there, but you don't have a link on dev.to to your website, but that shouldn't effect indiewebify.me
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[LewisCowles] [Cheuk_/ Cherrie] it definitely links back https://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcheuk.dev check http / https
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[LewisCowles] I changed to https and it worked
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[jgmac1106] not necessary for rel=me but I would instead of using <linK> in the header just turn <div class="col-xs-12 col-sm-6 col-md-6 col-lg-4 header-right"> into <div class="col-xs-12 col-sm-6 col-md-6 col-lg-4 header-right h-card">
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[jgmac1106] something like: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/c6ff4bf5969184b14430f5878f08d686
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[jgmac1106] oops wouldnt work, the div ends too soon
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[jgmac1106] and the p-name is commented out
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[jgmac1106] moved the h-card to the top div....but something like that and you can knock out two birds, your rel=me and your h-card
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[jgmac1106] I think another hackday goal I will have is making a new article template that doesn't have a space for u-featured, should be an easy low hanging CSS fruit
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[jgmac1106] https://jgregorymcverry.com/myrunningtrail
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[jgmac1106] oops forgot to push title change
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jmac Woo, bise
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jmac bise is the project I get the most surprised and confused over when I hear that other people use it
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jmac I am like, check out this webmention library I spent months making. No, they say, we'd rather use this script you banged out in an afternoon during your christmas break two years ago because it actually has a defensible purpose
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jmac Oh man, I wrote it even before I discovered IndieWeb. Maybe I can "improve" it
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[jgmac1106] jmac add ability to track people reading using h-feed
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[jgmac1106] possibly add a webmention counter
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sknebel "add ability to track people reading using h-feed" what does that mean above what it already provides?
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[jgmac1106] he tracks the rss readers....just meant another row with the h-feed readers
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[jgmac1106] also just throwing spaghetti
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[jgmac1106] anyone else use trackbook for android? trying to figure out what else I can do with gpx besides an iframe to an owncloud app (about my level of expertise)....should learn what those API thingamajiggers are
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jmac What is an "h-feed reader" tho... how would you know one by a webserver log
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jmac RSS readers you can tel coz they're requesting atom.xml, e.g.
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jmac (Yes, bise naively assumes that if you're requesting atom.xml you're an RSS reader. It's not hardcore about filtering out false positives)
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jmac I mean, an h-feed reader would just be requesting index.html and reading the micro formats, right? But the webserver doesn't know it's doing that, alas
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[jgmac1106] ahh okay
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jmac There's room to look at user-agent strings of course, but eh
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jmac I'll look the next time I'm in the code because honestly I have no idea how it actually works
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jmac And now I do want to see if I can work in some microformats fun because it's fun
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jmac My current mad science plague project is a "webmention query tool" tho. It's currently a few hours old and in "don't ask" status. (To say nothing of "don't look")
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sknebel can I at least ask "what does that mean?"
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jmac I'm just fiddling around with a tool for not just receiving/storing/displaying but also querying received webmentions. A command-line utility that I can ask "Show me all the WMs that I received from example.com since January 16".
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jmac Which will in turn let me mess around with some ideas I have for moderation tools
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jmac All i've done so far is convert all the 600-odd WMs my blog has received from the yucky hand-rolled file format it currently uses into an SQLite database, and have been just noodling around with it
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sknebel gotcha
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[jgmac1106] well I lost my subgrid code and failed miserably at my next attempt: https://jgregorymcverry.com/
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[jgmac1106] yipee: https://indieweb.org/2019/csssubgrid from my summit post: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/07/05/learning-to-make-pretty-cards-at-indieweb-summit
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[jgmac1106] ahh but mJordan took the codeped down we worked on
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[jeremycherfas] The beauty about bise, which I have been using for a while three weeks now, is that you can easily add a row for absolutely anything you like.
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[jeremycherfas] As long as you can define it in the logs, that is.
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jmac [jeremycherfas]: I'm really happy to hear that!
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jmac OK... I'm going to inbox revisiting Bise somehow, even if just to update its documentation after a couple years of use
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cal micropub question: for h=entry, is the repost-of attribute more just a hint, or does it override the content= attribute?
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[grantcodes] cal: in general a repost only needs the `repost-of` and nothing else
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GWG repost-of is supposed to have content I thought
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[grantcodes] Only maybe as a h-cite, no?
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jacky ^
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jacky I do use the h-cite u-repost-of approach a lot to show context on my site
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jacky but I think for feeds I might shrink that
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cal @grantcodes: what if I want to use content=, should I just avoid repost-of, this is for @threadreaderapp use case, where we repost a whole series of tweets
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GWG What is a repost?
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Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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jacky I read 're-publication' as 'republication' and did a double take lol
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