#dev 2020-03-17

2020-03-17 UTC
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aaronpk seems like this might tidy things up a bit with indieauth, since ppls' microsub and micropub endpoints are considered "resources" in oauth terms, this seems like it'd be a good fit https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8707.html
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aaronpk will have to think about that some more
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[jacky] ooh
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[jacky] yeah this would be great
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[jacky] allowing for more fine-grained controls
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[jacky] could even allow for the inital auth request to be more semantically informative
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aaronpk it's more tightening security
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aaronpk it means your indieauth server can issue an access token where it can only be used at the microsub endpoint for example
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aaronpk and if your micropub endpoint got a request with that token, it would know that token isn't valid for it
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[jacky] goes to add a note to considering implementing this
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aaronpk for an all-in-one micropub+microsub+indieauth implementation this isn't needed, but it's helpful when the three pieces are all totally different software
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[jacky] true!
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GWG aaronpk: Who will be the first to implement it for Indieweb?
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aaronpk if i were working on my replacement for indieauth.com i would probably include it there
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aaronpk but i am nowhere near ready to start that project yet
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GWG aaronpk: What is next for you?
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aaronpk i want to make sure the events site is stable, and i might add a few more things to it still
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[tantek] cancellations!
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aaronpk yes!
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[g33kcentric] If anyone is interested, I have started to create my micropub HAR requests (using insomnia and ingenious), i know micropub rocks and publishes etc exits, but personally i find it easier to have a bunch of, what are essentially CURL requests I can fire off and get detailed feedback straight away from.
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[jgmac1106] What is curl?
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Loqi cURL is a common Linux software library and command line used to get/send a file from/to a URL using only HTTP(S) https://indieweb.org/cURL
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[jgmac1106] people always say it, all the documents have the terminal syntax, but I never knew what it was
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[jeremycherfas] What is HAR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HAR" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "HAR is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[g33kcentric] its basically just a wrapped up browser request 🙂
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[LewisCowles] HAR is a web-archive, which can be used to save a point-in-time capture of requests and responses, headers and bodies, all that information that helps to diagnose specific web-request issues.
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[LewisCowles] what is HAR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HAR" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "HAR is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[LewisCowles] HAR is a web-archive, which can be used to save a point-in-time capture of requests and responses, headers and bodies, all that information that helps to diagnose specific web-request issues.
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Loqi ok
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[LewisCowles] what is HAR?
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Loqi HAR is a web-archive, which can be used to save a point-in-time capture of requests and responses, headers and bodies, all that information that helps to diagnose specific web-request issues https://indieweb.org/HAR
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[jgmac1106] [Zegnat] where are you in th great Drupal/WordPress debate?
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Zegnat I am in the place where I have not had a lot of time outside of work to really sit down and try. But I have been playing with the latest release-candidate for next version of Drupal, which seems really nice. Symfony stack that I have some experience with.
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Zegnat But not made any specific decision for my own site yet
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[g33kcentric] Does anyone here have any experience with thr app tasker
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GWG For Android? Yes
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[g33kcentric] ooo! any good tips/tutorials on how to actually do something with it, i cant make head nor tails of it 😄
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GWG I use it to scrape in flight wifi
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[g33kcentric] Cool, im looking to do some of my own audio scrobbling
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[g33kcentric] and apprently the latest version has access to logcat
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[g33kcentric] which is pretty much giving you the keys to the castle really
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[g33kcentric] still i still dont know how to even just set up triggers and have things happen
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GWG It depends
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[grantcodes] I moved recently to an app just called "automate" which is a bit more user friendly
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[LewisCowles] what is audio scrobbling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "audio scrobbling" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "audio scrobbling is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel what is scrobble?
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobble
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sknebel what is scrobbling?
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobbling
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petermolnar [g33kcentric]: eons ago i made a scrobble plugin for wordpress - recommendation: don't follow my example. You'll end up with 100k+ posts.
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petermolnar hasn't been touched in a while: https://wordpress.org/plugins/playlistlog/
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Loqi [cadeyrn] Description The plugin has two parts: An importer for last.fm to import all scrobble data from last.fm provided zip files. A reciver that supports Audioscrobbler Protocol 1.2 to store and receive all the played entries a client sends to. The entries...
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[g33kcentric] Hehe well, I have an idea about how I would do it, mainly for audiobooks. Hopefully be able to store everytime I press play and press pause, that gets stored in a temp place, and at midnight I compile them together into one post
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[g33kcentric] So say I have 5 plays and 5 pauses, I'll take the current time from each of those and do some simple maths
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[g33kcentric] And it will end up as one "I listened to inversions for 3 hours"
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[g33kcentric] It's just getting that data in the first place
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petermolnar today's relevation: I wrote so much code which I don't use for anything any more
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[g33kcentric] :D I do have to periodically do a sweep of my "web* folder
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[LewisCowles] TIL
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[jgmac1106] this is my fav for music: https://tinnitus.robweychert.com/
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[jgmac1106] I keep meaning to make a cutesy bookshelf for my audiobook habit as well.....
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[g33kcentric] Yeah that is nice! How you imagining doing the bookshelf?
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[jgmac1106] not sure if will make my audiobooks look like album covers, I may out a bookshelf and make it look like traditional spines, bc to me it is same as reading and I want to stress thatto people in my field
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sknebel shelf of cassette covers? :P
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[jgmac1106] and by try out I mean Google around until I find examples I can use by better CSS artists, though playing with subgrid a bit I could se it being doable
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[jgmac1106] ...that would be neat....my 6 year old just got a cassette player...he is really into thte old tapes
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IsoQ testing
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[jgmac1106] I kind of like that when I share a fragment link a webmention isn't picked up on the page either by webmention.io, spec, or fluffy's tool
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qwerty hey there
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jacky so I'm working on my microsub server (service) and I'm wondering if it's a bit much to have a 'reporting' function for posts that look funny
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jacky I remember Firefox having a function for this (for sites that render weird)
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jacky I just can't remember the URL and I didn't bookmark it
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sknebel sounds like it'd make sense, yeah, but I'd be worried about client vs server with reports
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jacky but I'd want to catalogue different pages; their MF2 and see how I might be parsing it unexpectedly (or if a page is using custom properties: h-x-food) and see if I can add support
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sknebel i.e. you might get a bunch of "this looks funny" because the client can't handle the HTML well in that context
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jacky ah yeah that's the other part
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jacky it assumes HIGH faith in the client to render things as expected
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sknebel although that might still be worth consideration if you want to modify it or not
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jacky indeed
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jacky I think that actually might be a big problem! if the client has a public page for showing a post is rendered in a feed
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jacky like the feedly preview but for a specific URL
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jacky that'd definitely be useful for publishers
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sknebel right. I wonder if aperture's preview uses monocle's rendering code (aaronpk?) as one example
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sknebel for the web ones it's of course relatively easy
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jacky hmm IIRC tho, I'd have to take into consideration that the rendering depends on how the microsub server sends back mf2, no?
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sknebel yeah
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jacky like for example, the mf2 parser for elixir doesn't support mf1
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jacky hmm which might mean this page would require one to sign in
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jacky _or_
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jacky I can run some implementations and allow them to be viewed using those responses
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jacky that's definitely for debugging purposes but it's like a browserstack for microsub servers
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sknebel so stuff being freely usable certainly helps
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jacky yeah for sure
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sknebel I guess servers could maybe offer testing instances that don't keep state
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jacky yup!
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jacky I want to make it easy for people to test what they _have_ and like incrementally improve
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sknebel one could make a debugging server you can paste a JF2 string in it should reply
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jacky oh yeah that'd be nice
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jacky that's probably the easiest form to do
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sknebel which you could combine with "feed this post through aperture, yarns, ... and make me a feed of all their responses"
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sknebel which would be an interesting community resource
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jacky yeah!
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sknebel if you run a desktop/mobile client, I guess a "paste URL here, get screenshot" service would be excellent but work
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jacky def got some prelim sketch work for the weekend now
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sknebel did you ever work on your desktop client you talked about?
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sknebel I remember seeing a repo, but ...
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jacky I did but I've slowed work on it
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jacky some people in the KDE space want to consolidate the work people are doing on desktop social clients so I'm holding to see how that plays out
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sknebel oh, I wonder if anyone I know is involved there
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jacky that + having to write a mf2 parser in rust is part of the hurdle lol
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sknebel haha
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sknebel I'd help with the latter
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jacky https://phabricator.kde.org/T12814 is the ticket
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jacky (it says mastodon but my client was planned to be agonistc)
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sknebel right, that's what I'd fear with such an initiative, that you get a mastodon client
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sknebel hm, no, no names I recognize. KDE is big :D
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jacky yeah
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jacky gnome already has a few stable clients so masto compat is wanted for traction
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sknebel + I guess Plasma Mobile wanting it
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jacky yup yup
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jacky which is also something I reaaaly want lol
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jacky but I can't figure out how to get it on my Pixel
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sknebel yah. been thinking about getting a Pinephone for that
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sknebel maybe waiting a little until it gets further, but unless its hardware they specifically target its gonna be a problem I guess
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sknebel but I'm also mostly following this from the sidelines because many of my collegues work on KDE
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aaronpk okay i really need to add a UI to quill so that i can create my "presentation" posts. my list is horribly out of date
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aaronpk they're h-events internally, but they have a few extra fields for linking to the slide deck for example
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aaronpk i'm also not happy with quill's event UI after i spent all that time on meetable
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[tantek] iteration is good!
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aaronpk funny, i now have an exception to the rule I made in meetable which was for multi-day events, the list view shows only the dates, not the times
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aaronpk most of the time the start/end times aren't relevant for multi-day events, but this virtual conference is a 24-hour conference so it ends the morning of the second day
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@JmacDotOrg For those who care, which might be only @taskboy3000 and @ReBeccaOrg, current mad-science project is a stand-alone Webmention receive/store/query utility, replacing the bolted-on mess in Plerd. I was due to dig in on this anyway, with my “sabbatical”, and nothing’s changing that. (twitter.com/_/status/1240056168304857088)
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ Something like this already exists, of course, with @aaronpk’s extremely capable https://webmention.io. But, with typical pig-headedness, I gotta have my own implementation. (See also: Plerd, not exactly the first thing to ever do what it does.) I feel pretty fired up about it. (twitter.com/_/status/1240056839657721862)
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ I let my attention slide from it in 2019, but I still feel very bullish about Webmention as a simple technology with strong potential to make the web better. Useful even when relatively few websites use it, potentially amazing if and when more websites adopt it. I wanna help it. (twitter.com/_/status/1240057725654052866)
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