#dev 2020-03-18

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@_am1t I am toying with an idea to enable another option for the readers to comment on posts. I have always been very wary of enabling a commenting system of any form on my blog. So the only option I have kept till now was webmentions. Most.. https://www.amitgawande.com/1584503152450 (twitter.com/_/status/1240122221277908993)
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@ChrisAldrich I've been working on making some significant back-end tweaks to my wiki today. Among other things I've fixed, it should now be set up to accept incoming webmentions. Hooray! I've always wanted an IndieWeb wiki [more] https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/17/55769344/ https://wiki.chrisaldrich.net/Main_Page (twitter.com/_/status/1240138869867249670)
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[g33kcentric] Morning all! The first draft of my requests :) https://github.com/itsjustk/indieweb-har
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[grantcodes] That's a cool idea [g33kcentric]
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[g33kcentric] Thanks :) feel free to do any pull requests
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[grantcodes] https://gist.github.com/grantcodes/41d6093e36a4fa9adc4a4a9d46184983 here are some I use (a few of which are not really in the official spec)
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[g33kcentric] Arrr wicked! I have noticed that not all publishers are created equal so if you code for one (indeginous for example) it won't be the same for others (quill)
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sknebel yeah, annoyingly you need to support the various variants in the spec, clients don't quite concentrate as expected on some
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[g33kcentric] Ok it's good to know that, becuase j spent alot of time thinking I was doing something wrong.
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sknebel if you have support for the json variant, then formencoded is relatively simple to add though (its a fairly straight-forward conversion)
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sknebel leaves the various ways for file uploads
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[grantcodes] I've found most clients fairly standardized (apart from your server will need to support json & formencoded)
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sknebel yeah. if anything insists on having extensions available that's IMHO probably a bug
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[grantcodes] The ones I mentioned are specific functionality I have within my own server / clients. Like I support markdown and a bunch of the experimental extensions.
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petermolnar > you need to support the various variants in the spec - XMPP says high.
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petermolnar *hi
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@CascadingNews Weekly Platform News: CSS ::marker pseudo-element, pre-rendering web components, adding Webmention to your site https://css-tricks.com/weekly-platform-news-css-marker-pseudo-element-pre-rendering-web-components-adding-webmention-to-your-site/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter #css (twitter.com/_/status/1240268154741428225)
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@ascarida ↩️ Podes, por exempo, avisar das actualizacións en Twitter/Facebook (tamén por email se queres) e o contido seguiá estando na oldweb. Se é pola xestión de comentarios e blasblas, Webmention é unha movidola bastante guai. (twitter.com/_/status/1240271838091059200)
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@batyshkaLenin ↩️ Т.е. это либо брать Markdown редактор или вроде того и сделать какой то скрипт/хук, который после сохранения будет инициировать деплой. Либо не морочить голову и использовать API. @marinintim как ты решал этот вопрос? Как я понял на твоем сайте нет запросов к API кроме webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1240302703454171138)
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@_am1t Over the last week, I've added some features to Blotpub that were long in works - support for syndicating longer posts, support for updating posts. I've also automated sending of webmentions to the target sites for reply and like posts types. It's been some productive week this. (twitter.com/_/status/1240336047378227203)
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gRegorLove I finally dropped the p-name from my notes while I was working on some updates
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gRegorLove Might get my u-photo outside of e-content too, though I'm curious how that discussion ended at IWC Austin
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[LewisCowles] [gRegorLove] how do notes without a title work, or is there a better alternative than p-name?
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gRegorLove [LewisCowles], The recommended mf2 used to be `p-name p-content` (or `e-content`) around the content of the post. I think mostly because parsing rules used to imply a p-name if it wasn't provided.
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gRegorLove It relied on consumers comparing the parsed name and content values to see if they were equal to differentiate articles and notes. Parsing rules changed though, p-name isn't implied if there's other p- or e-content
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gRegorLove We should probably update /note. Closest is https://indieweb.org/note#Including_a_p-name_in_a_note
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Loqi +1
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aaronpk update what? the example there already doesn't have p-name https://indieweb.org/note#How_to_publish
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gRegorLove Right, I just mean an FAQ for why no p-name
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gRegorLove I guess it's probably not causing problems, just people like me who haven't updated their notes template in 4+ years, haha
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[LewisCowles] [gRegorLove] ++ so basically it never used to be a title. That makes sense. I feel like I'd want names as otherwise I'd have to scan all notes like Gist, and I really feel Gist can be a pain to manage.
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk notes do not have names, that's what makes them a note
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[LewisCowles] 😞
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aaronpk the reason for p-name on notes was because of the old microformats parsers implied parsing rules which gave everything a name even if there wasn't one, which was because old RSS readers tend to assume everything has a name
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[LewisCowles] without a name, how are you finding your notes?
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aaronpk not sure what yuo mean?
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aaronpk finding where?
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aaronpk my notes are here https://aaronparecki.com/notes
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aaronpk and my search searches the contents of the notes
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[LewisCowles] right, but if you get more than one page full, or lets say more than 50. How without knowing the content, do you find them?
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aaronpk tags
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aaronpk search
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gRegorLove In my CMS (ProcessWire) I can search by several different fields, so I just search body content. Also posts are organized by year/month in the admin, so can drill down a page list that way.
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aaronpk not sure why giving them a name would help me find them?
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[LewisCowles] tags can be better than a name
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[LewisCowles] body search... less so
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[LewisCowles] Thanks for answering me though 👍
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[LewisCowles] a good answer too [aaronpk] ++
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aaronpk if it has a name then it's an article
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gRegorLove :shrug: it's worked fine for me. What would you put in a name that would be easier to search than the body?
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[LewisCowles] I just said tags are better. I've only seen categories so far; bodies are terrible because the index becomes the content and the two don't always match
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aaronpk i dunno, my search works great for finding notes
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[LewisCowles] scanning through dates also bothers me as I might not remember when I wrote a note, just that I have one
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gRegorLove I'm on MySQL, I think the search is a LIKE search
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aaronpk i do use elasticsearch for my search feature
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[LewisCowles] I also have a problem getting the single word that I used, but tags can beat titles for that as I can make synonym tags
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[LewisCowles] tags++
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gRegorLove That makes sense.
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aaronpk yea i often add multiple similar tags to stuff to help me find them better later
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gRegorLove I have some tags, but no search/browse UI for them yet, heh
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aaronpk oh yeah huh i don't really have a list of tags
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aaronpk oh, also emoji :D https://aaronparecki.com/emoji
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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[LewisCowles] emojii as emotional cues, or just emojii tags for fun? Either way it's cool
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aaronpk both i guess
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aaronpk it's just when i use emoji in posts, they get indexed
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[LewisCowles] so many eggplants. The second you said emojii I had to check
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[LewisCowles] 😂
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aaronpk haha
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gRegorLove aaronpk, I updated my notes authorship to link to the homepage. Xray doesn't seem to find it. I'm guessing because the homepage h-card is inside the h-feed. That h-card has the u-url == u-uid, though.
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gRegorLove Does it have something like expect=card like it has expect=feed?
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sknebel gRegorLove: what does sturdy-backbone think about your notes?
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gRegorLove Fails, but it should match on 7.2
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aaronpk lemme check.. i was thinking about expect=card but the case i thought needed that turned out would have been better to fix the markup
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gRegorLove I'm open to updating markup
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gRegorLove Example https://gregorlove.com/2020/03/reminder-homebrew-website-club/ https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2020%2F03%2Freminder-homebrew-website-club%2F&pretty=true
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aaronpk oh well this did point out a bug in xray which is that somehow *no* author property is added
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aaronpk it's supposed to at least return an author property with the url you have there
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gRegorLove ah
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aaronpk so i need to fix something
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gRegorLove I can file an issue if you'd like
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aaronpk sure, there might be one already too
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sknebel ah right, the thing with nested h-cards might not be implemented in sturdy-backbone too because that was unclear
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aaronpk hm yeah
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aaronpk i'm guessing both of these are only looking at the top-level objects
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aaronpk oh look a discussion on this from 2017 https://github.com/indieweb/authorship/issues/2
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Loqi [aaronpk] #2 Clarify step 7 "has 1+ h-card"
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gRegorLove aha
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aaronpk the wording of step 7.2 in the spec wasn't clear enough for me to have accounted for the case of nested h-card
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aaronpk even though it's technically correct
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gRegorLove My reading was that it could be anywhere as long as u-url == u-uid == author-page, for ease of the publisher
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk but when i was implementing the consumer, i didn't read it that way
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sknebel same here
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[LewisCowles] @dreamhost++ I barely use it, but somehow they keep me around with awesome emails telling me they have upgraded PHP runtime. Love that team
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gRegorLove Filed https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/95
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #95 Missing author
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jamietanna aaronpk what are your thoughts about https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/193 ?
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Loqi jamietanna: [snarfed] left you a message 2 weeks ago: hi! i'm hoping to get oauth-dropins and granary releases out soon. still interested? if you are, i think there's just one issue we'd want to knock out first: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/191
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Loqi [jamietanna] #193 Consider using RSA-based signatures for tokens
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aaronpk there's a new in-progress OAuth standard that describes how to do JWT access tokens
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aaronpk I would base it off of that rather than do something proprietary
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aaronpk however, it's still in progress and I'd want to wait a little for that to shake out
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aaronpk but also, I'm not likely to make any modifications to indieauth.com at this point, since i'd rather do any new work in a new service
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aaronpk https://oauth.net/2/jwt-access-tokens/
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jamietanna Ooh interesting, thanks aaronpk. I'll have a read of that now, I didn't realise there was anything in the pipeline to standardise
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aaronpk yeah it's based on several large providers' implementations
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jacky I'm doing better at writing more tests for stuff versus just prototyping
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jacky only because the prototypes end up very hi-def
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aaronpk tests++
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[snarfed] tests++
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[LewisCowles] some tests++
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[dmitshur] for anyone from IndieWeb Meetup NYC curious about the issue tracker I'm iterating on, it's https://github.com/shurcooL/home/compare/dev
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GWG jmac++ for reading the webmention brainstorming page and citing a conversation on how to store webmentions.
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sknebel ugh!
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sknebel tried to fix the nested h-card thing in sturdy-backbone
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sknebel not only did I fail, now Glitch refuses to launch it at all ...
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[Drew] Hello-I was wondering if anyone knew how I might be able to extend a section of this page on my website to show the hidden boxes under the 3 visible boxes? https://mcweeneyaquaticconsulting.com/pricing.html
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gRegorLove Is there a git repo for the source of that, or do you like fork it through glitch directly? (haven't used glitch much at all)
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[Drew] I am using reclaim hosting and editing the HTML file for that
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[Drew] In file manager
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gRegorLove Hi [Drew], sorry that was another topic, replying to sknebel
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[Drew] Oh no worries!
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gRegorLove [Drew], took a glance, not sure how to fix but it looks like the selector `.section .static-image` has `height: 100vh; overflow: hidden`. if I disable the 100vh, it doesn't truncate that area
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sknebel gRegorLove: I've been editing it through the glitch interface. I think I'm now running into it being coded according to old conventions and the current setup there being unable to handle the package.json :D
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sknebel so it fails to install dependencies
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gRegorLove There's a `.parallax` class so maybe the page is supposed to be doing some animations to show those boxes as you scroll? Not sure [Drew]
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KartikPrabhu is indieweb-chat on Slack?
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gRegorLove Yes
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[Drew] [gRegorLove] Where did you see that?
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KartikPrabhu then [Drew] general CSS questions could be done on the #indieweb-chat channel
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gRegorLove shows as #chat in Slack
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[Drew] Thanks-I'll ask that on the #chat channel
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gRegorLove [Drew], I'm just using dev tools inspector in Chrome. There's a div with `section section-pricing`, child div has `parallax filter filter-color-blue`