#dev 2020-03-25

2020-03-25 UTC
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jacky so my concern isn't more on storage tbh
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jacky it's about getting info from the media endpoint that I can use to then make a HTML player
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jacky ideally I'd want it to be a no-JS player
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jacky but also still provide information so like Indigenous can get useful info for playing video on mobile that's optimized for it
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jacky what is media endpoint
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Loqi micropub media endpoint is a Micropub endpoint that exclusively handles file uploads and returns a URL that can be used in a subsequent Micropub request https://indieweb.org/Media_endpoint
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jacky it looks like sweetroll / greg w has done a lot close to what I might be have thinking
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jacky yeah this would be enough tbh https://indieweb.org/micropub_media_endpoint#Query_media_by_URL
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jacky I could add a few keys for video stuff and have my site do work when it finds that
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jacky yeah ideally tbh
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jacky if this works, anyone can use it to store their content and get like HLS support for vidoes in the body
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jacky it looks like generating a HLS stream isn't too complicated
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[tantek] I missed something. There's no need for u-avatar. that's literally what u-logo already solves
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[tantek] if you want to say who you work for, that's your org, and use an embedded h-card
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[tantek] your org logo should then go inside the embedded h-card
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[tantek] [Katherine] someone is stealing your microformats packages?!? https://twitter.com/brb_irl/status/1242637978536570880
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@brb_irl whoever stealing my mf packages ....... u better enjoy the shit out of that hojicha! (twitter.com/_/status/1242637978536570880)
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[Katherine] yes, exactly! microformat!
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KartikPrabhu now there should be a h-oijcha!
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gRegorLove haha
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[LewisCowles] !tell tantek I'd suggest that only accounts for the case it's an org, not a person having a logo and avatar.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[LewisCowles] PR submitted https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/pull/86 for-now I'm using u-logo. I will be blogging about this at some point though. Perhaps it will only be me that cares, so it shouldn't be in a standard and I'll use u-x-avatar or u-x-icon.
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Loqi [Lewiscowles1986] #86 Display logo & suppress photo notice on logo
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[LewisCowles] Also got the tiny bit in my footer to display how I'd like, so I'm happy
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[LewisCowles] Interesting finding from 2017, I've only just got round to implementing for my site is self-hosting google fonts and making them same-domain.
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[LewisCowles] If you have poor / no-internet, it should be fine. If you have a network, but no internet. It can cause excessively high page-load times.
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[LewisCowles] So if you use google fonts, open the css in a few browsers, and yoink it out. Run a diff on the css so you can machine hint to de-duplicate noise. Then find replace /v[0-9]+ with '' and the prefix which is the same between font files to be '/fonts/{font-family}'
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[LewisCowles] This is not against anyones terms of service
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[LewisCowles] I know a more modern approach is system fonts, but on windows and Linux it just looks nasty
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[LewisCowles] fluffy++ for webmention.js. Most of the CSS to display icon of logo, avatar, photo was lifted from that. It's the first real-world usage of `ex` unit measure I've seen
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Loqi fluffy has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (65 in all channels)
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GWG I have not done any Indieweb stuff in several days due cleaning projects. Today, I break from cleaning and will do at least 1
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swentel GWG, new indigenous release tomorrow also
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swentel includes post visibility
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swentel and default read status too
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[g33kcentric] ooooo nice, android and ios?
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[g33kcentric] im thinking of seeing if i can reach back into my mind 10 years ago at uni and fork indigenous to put a few more post types and a markdown WYSIWYG in it 🙂
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swentel only android
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swentel I don't maintain the iOS version
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[g33kcentric] arrr! I use the droid version 🙂
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swentel I've been thinking about adding markdown too there
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[g33kcentric] i have been doing it in my articles, but manually and its a tad fiddly 🙂
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swentel but not sure about it, not sure about maybe subtle difference in markdown rendering
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swentel although I guess most basic stuff will be the same for most libraries
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[g33kcentric] you mean all the different parserss out there
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swentel yeah, but I guess bold/italic (and more basic things) will be the same for all
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[g33kcentric] yeah, ive really only been doing those and lists
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swentel there are some libraries at https://android-arsenal.com/tag/60?sort=created I guess on of them should to the trick :)
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[g33kcentric] yeah, now just to work out how to use gradle and all that jazz 😄
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swentel hehe
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swentel should work out of the box if you use studio
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[g33kcentric] android studio?
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swentel it can detect and download the right plugins for you
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swentel yep
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[g33kcentric] arrr wicked! I'll give that a go, i want to get webmentions working properly first tho! I think i cracked receiving them at lunch time, just go to work on posting them 🙂
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swentel hehe, good luck :)
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[g33kcentric] ta! 🙂
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swentel [g33kcentric], post types are dead easy
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swentel if you get it running in studio I can easily guide you
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swentel it 's really just a simple class, a layout, and maybe some optional properties
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swentel the class itself is around 30 lines or so, and you can copy from one easily
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swentel the hardest part is usually finding a nice icon :D
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[g33kcentric] arrr really appreciate that 🙂
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[g33kcentric] hehehe, the 2 problems in computer science, what icon to use and caching
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swentel oh caching is covered in indigenous ;)
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swentel (at least I think so hehe)
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swentel seems to work fine here, but not sure how it behaves for others
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[g33kcentric] for the reader?
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swentel yep
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swentel it's disabled by default though
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[g33kcentric] arr fair, i havent gotten around to setting my reader up yet, i used it when i had the drupal site and using your brill modules, but got to set it up myself now
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GWG swentel: I look forward to seeing the change log
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GWG Can I convince you to support prechecked syndication targets?
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/23
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Loqi [dshanske] #23 Additional syndicate-to property
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swentel hmm I have that in Drupal
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swentel it's configurable
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swentel so a setting in Indigenous then to have one (or simply all?) checked?
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swentel or by choice?
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swentel GWG ^
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swentel oh wait, you'd have it as a property too in the q=syndication
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GWG swentel: Not a setting in Indigenous.
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GWG Just set if it is a property in q=syndication
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GWG No setting needed
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swentel right
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GWG If it isn't there, it defaults to unchecked
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GWG People keep asking me for it
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swentel makes sense, I can support that
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swentel I can easily add that in drupal
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swentel as I have it in the UI there, so adding it in the micropub call is two minutes work
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swentel GWG, how to name the property? 'checked' ?
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GWG Yes
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swentel ok, opening issues in both
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swentel I can ship that tomorrow normally too
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GWG Checked can either true or false, and the absence of checked is assumed false
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swentel yep
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swentel ok done in Drupal
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aaronpk this is tricky https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-activitypub/issues/78
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Loqi [ngm] #78 Conflict with XRay's parsing of microformats
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aaronpk XRay sends an accept header which contains activity+json, so that software like mastodon will return the JSON version of a post rather than the HTML
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aaronpk conneg--
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Loqi conneg has -6 karma in this channel over the last year (-7 in all channels)
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aaronpk seems to be causing more problems than it solves
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aaronpk i don't know how to reconcile this on the XRay end to handle both the situation described in that issue but also working with activitypub
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swentel GWG, done
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sknebel aaronpk: allow xray user to choose. if we're getting fancy, fetch both and offer both results
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sknebel former allows users to the latter themselves if they feel it's appropriate
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aaronpk huh how would that work?
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Zegnat I am not sure I understand the problem? If XRay is asking for activity+json, and that is what you are getting from WordPress, what is parsing incorrectly? Does the activity+json not include everything you expect?
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aaronpk Zegnat: correct, because in some cases the microformats has more data than activtypub can represent
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aaronpk e.g. RSVPs
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Zegnat Ah
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aaronpk so i guess webmention.io never really needs the activitypub version of a page, because activitypub servers don't send webmentions
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aaronpk so webmention.io (a user of xray) could tell xray never to return the activitypub version
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Zegnat It is interesting. XRay says it prefers application/activity+json over text/html, but this WordPress issue and the fact that microformats might include more information, argues for the oposite
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aaronpk the theory was that most things that return activity+json don't also return microformats in the HTML, so xray *should* ask for activity+json first
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aaronpk also with wordpress specifically, most of the time the microformats on the page are broken because they're mf1 or poorly configured themes, so getting the activity+json version would return better data
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sknebel aaronpk: needs to fetch twice then of course.
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Zegnat Where “most things” = there are more Mastodon installations (no mf2) then anything else that is likely to respond activity+json?
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aaronpk mastodon and related software
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Zegnat Seems super valid to me.
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Zegnat But yeah, also, no real solutions :(
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aaronpk in these particular cases, these wordpress installs do have proper microformats which also contain more data than the activity+json version, which is super rare
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aaronpk i guess one solution is that the wordpress site would have to know that the microformats are higher res than activity+json, so if a consumer is requesting microformats and activity+json then it should prefer sending back the microformats version instead
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aaronpk i'd need to add some sort of indicator in xray's accept header to make that work
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aaronpk like text/microformats+html
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aaronpk (i'm leaving the complications of actually coordinating that between all the wordpress plugins for a later exercise, that sounds not fun)
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aaronpk oh wait i'm misremembering what xray is doing too... it's actually looking for a rel=alternate that's on the page and then going and fetching that instead, that's like a whole step up from conneg
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aaronpk so yeah i really don't know what to do here. it's like I want to use that rel=alternate link only if there are no or bad microformats found on the page...which is tough
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Zegnat You already request application/mf2+json first, so if the WP plugins fight it out and that one gets to win, maybe it should return and all is fine?
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Zegnat It is tricky though. It feels like the case that is now generating a percieved bug is actually in itself the edgecase
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk but also not wrong
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Zegnat edgecases are rarely wrong *coughcough*
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GWG aaronpk: This is an issue I discussed with pfefferle. I'm not involved with the ActivityPub plugin.
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GWG I saw he commented that it is an xray problem.l though
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aaronpk it's hard to tell where the problem actually is
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GWG aaronpk: If I recall, the issue is that if the ActivityPub mime type is requested, it will return it...
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aaronpk right, see my train of thought above
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GWG I discussed it in the issue with him
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GWG I would tend to agree, despite not being a user of the ActivityPub plugin
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beko Huh? So my wordpress with valid mf but also ActivityPub is super rare? xD uh oh - hope I don't have to ditch one in the end :D
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Zegnat In the general set of “all WP installations that XRay may try to read”, it probably is an edgecase, beko ;)
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beko No idea how I manage to do this again and again :)
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GWG I suppose the simple solution is to have the ActivityPub plugin be less aggressive if an Indieweb plugin is enabled.
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Zegnat Maybe? Which plugins should let AP take a step back? It seems like AP should only take a step back if the HTML is going to contain valid mf2, which has been a problem with WP in general?
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GWG Zegnat: There is a flag for that we put in
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GWG You can declare theme support for microformats2
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Zegnat Oh, interesting. Is that something you set, something that the theme sets?
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GWG Plugin or theme can set it
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GWG We just agreed on it
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swentel GWG, new release indigenous pushed
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swentel with the new built-in anonymous account woohoow :) (but not relevant if you're authenticated)
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swentel ah crap twitter doesn't allow videos longer than 30 sec :(
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swentel stupid twitter
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swentel or at least via the api?
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@swentel Just pushed a release of Indigenous which now comes with a built-in anonymous account. The reader has some default channels and you can even change the endpoints without having the need of an IndieAuth enabled site! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1242890812884688897)
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doubleloop !tell [chrisaldrich] I'd be up for joining a wiki brainstorm session :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop do you have a time that would work best for you? I'm relatively flexible working from home in the Los Angeles area.
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: 7pm GMT onwards is usually good for me in the week
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doubleloop And at the weekend, quite flexible at the moment (unless I get invited to an online dance party (unlikely))
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swentel unlikely you're joining? :)
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[chrisaldrich] Anyone else like to join us? We can put together a date/time in the next week or so.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: For what? I missed context
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[chrisaldrich] waits patiently for Indigenous update. swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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swentel usually doesn't take too long :)
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] you want to join doubleloop and I? anyone else with a wiki?
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[jgmac1106] yeah I can, have a meeting at 15:00 and 16:00 on event page?
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] We were going to schedule it in the next week or so. Neil is in the UK, so we'll have to find a time after 7pm GMT.
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[jgmac1106] sounds good to me just stay away from 11:00-12: utc my kids eat all then bandwidth in school
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@BidorBuy247 JL AUDIO CP106LG-W3v3 6-1/2″ Microsub Slot-Ported Enclosure Loaded Sub Box Used https://www.waveestore.com/shop/consumer-electronics/jl-audio-cp106lg-w3v3-6-1-2-microsub-slot-ported-enclosure-loaded-sub-box-used/ https://t.co/vBE9rKGyIt (twitter.com/_/status/1242909952991248386)
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[jgmac1106] liitle jealous can't lie..new truck has lame stock stereo....pickup trucks meant for a pair of 20 in subs
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[LewisCowles] RE: earlier markdown, I think commonmark is a basic standard many without extensions adhere to. I may of course be mis-remembering
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[LewisCowles] and no. I remembered https://commonmark.org/
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swentel hmm true
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jacky yeah commonmark is what I try to stick to
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[LewisCowles] I am surprised Atlassian have https://github.com/atlassian/commonmark-java
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[LewisCowles] After nearly a decade of getting people off of JIRA, at my last place we used it, and it didn't use markdown, but rather textmate style, which I didn't know was a thing until a colleague pointed out it was an older standard for plain text documents
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Loqi [atlassian] commonmark-java: Java library for parsing and rendering CommonMark (Markdown)
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