#dev 2020-04-01
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crab is it valid to embed p-given-name and p-family-name inside p-name?
# crab <span class=p-name><span class=p-given-name>Mild-mannered</span> <span class=p-family-name>Crustacean</span></span> or so
# crab looks like it.
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# crab but apparently you can't nest a p-summary inside the e-content? how annoying.
# crab oh, maybe it's only some parsers that don't handle it.
# crab is it recommended to have h-entry with hAtom fallbacks, the way people do h-card with hCard fallbacks?
# crab is there any real point?
# crab i did h-card/hCard for my main page, and marked up all the posts with h-entry so far.
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# [LewisCowles] crab. I think the point is that p-summary is for lists. Surely it would lead to repetition if placed within e-content?
# crab [LewisCowles] i'm not sure i understand why. please explain?
# [LewisCowles] lists of articles, like a blog index or archive page.
# [LewisCowles] As-in it's to provide a short teaser to read the content. It doesn't need to be a part of the content
# crab are you saying you would generate the index with only a summary of each post, and post pages without a summary?
# crab i guess i just don't understand your point. i know it doesn't _need_ to be part of the content, but it's convenient for me if it could be, on a post page.
# crab hmm. i guess the problem is that i'm thinking of the summary as the first sentence of my content, and you are not.
# crab right. it makes a bit more sense that way.
# [LewisCowles] đ it can be, but doesn't have to be
# [LewisCowles] You could extract the first paragraph or sentence using DOM API
# [LewisCowles] document.querySelector('.e-content > p:first-of-type')
# [LewisCowles] Then if you need to make sure it's a sentence, regex that sucker
# [LewisCowles] I'd suggest using the content as summary requires more writing talent than I have
# [LewisCowles] So I'd sooner treat it as a separate thing.
# [LewisCowles] I don't use p-summary for blog posts at all. Just the date and title. It's simpler and works for me
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[jgmac1106] I use p-summary in my blog posts, most readers will either display x words of a post or if a p-summary present display that
# [jgmac1106] If you use Bridgy to syndicate Bridgy would just send out the p-summary, and yes it stays out of e-content
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# crab i don't suppose it's valid to set class=p-summary on a <meta> element.
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# [jgmac1106] meta is a valid html element that can carry the class property, I don't see why not
# [jgmac1106] but it is supposed to be used when other HTML elements can't represent same data
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# [jgmac1106] I include a p-summary but then have it set to display:none on my posts, readers still pick it up, but I do not diasplay ut
# [jgmac1106] it*
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gRegorLove_ crab: parsers should find nested properties, yes. if you found an example with one that isn't, would like to file that as an issue.
# gRegorlove p-summary on a <meta> element is going to parse the node's textContent, so empty string
# [jgmac1106] gRegorlove, A: what are you doing awake ? B: this was about nesting p-summary inside e-content, what would be the reason.
# gRegorlove A. Insomnia
# crab argh, sorry for the repeated message.
# gRegorlove B. I used p-summary in https://gregorlove.com/2019/04/chris-aldrich-mentioned-it-was/ for shorter content to Twitter, iirc
# crab gRegorlove: i could be doing something wrong, or misinterpreting the results, but that looks like the java one doesn't see the summary, but the ruby one does.
# crab i don't know what parser indiewebify.me uses for h-entry, but that does see the summary either (or at least, it doesn't say anything about the summary when validating that page, as i expected it to alongside the other properties it does detect).
# [jgmac1106] I do the same, with my p-summary, I was explaining I set them to display:none
# gRegorlove indiewebify is the php parser, also running at php.microformats.io
# crab ok, so: https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftoroid.org%2Funix-pipe-implementation (it does see the summary)
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# gRegorlove Ah, yeah, Java parser should be picking that up. I honestly don't know when Java parser was last updated, probably been a while
# crab ok. i can just ignore the java parser.
# gRegorlove Yeah, p-summary inside e-content is valid, so ruby and php parsers are right there (and Python, I'm certain)
# crab TBH, i'm not actually using any of this for anything. i just happened to see "google supports microformats" somewhere, and realised i could markup my stuff with h-card and h-entry pretty quickly.
# crab it's only after i'd already done it that i realised that the microformats google supports aren't the ones i'd added support for :-)
# gRegorlove We have #microformats too, btw, if there's specific parsing questions or issues
# gRegorlove haha
# gRegorlove I like your homepage and that little drawing
# crab thank you :-)
# [LewisCowles] I love your homepage. Very funny, but still informative of purpose
# [LewisCowles] crab++
# [jgmac1106] crab++
# [jgmac1106] I didn't know I could nest p-summary in e-content... Will start doing that
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# [jgmac1106] does this seem right: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/04/01/hey-k12-educators-moving-online-want-a trying to nail down page weight of gDocs wasn't easy nomral console tools didn't work
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# [LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] it's very likely the media within your doc was being measured in one, whilst only the data stored in the wiki case?
# [LewisCowles] The XML document formats are a bit bloated. I'm just not sure if the JS to power the google + requests is 56MB (It could be, I just remain hopeful they are not that wasteful)
# [LewisCowles] 5.6 MB wouldn't surprise me at all
# [jgmac1106] yeah I could be wrong on my measures, my usual tools weren't working, with my understanding, I would like to correct what I said if I am off by a factor of 10
# [LewisCowles] share the method of attaining the number
# [jgmac1106] just a page with a bit of texts, a table, and a few hyperlinks, no video or images
# [jgmac1106] ahh okay
# [LewisCowles] along with the quote
# [jgmac1106] smart,
# [LewisCowles] then it never needs to change, and you get to issue another post, rather than an edit
# [LewisCowles] we're all human
# [LewisCowles] the amount of times I've been off by an order of magnitude or more
# [jgmac1106] will delete until I can describe my methodology, especially since I am unsure of the size of gDocs and I was doing my best with console topols
# [jgmac1106] tools*
# [LewisCowles] right, but that IS your methodology
# [LewisCowles] well it's spelunking
# [LewisCowles] but that is a methodology
# [jgmac1106] yeah wanna do it proper after I get some teaching done
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@shindakun Hmm. My webmentions seem to be acting up. Don't mind me just testing https://shindakun.dev/posts/sdl2-test-03-part-01/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1245370470880296960)
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@ChrisAldrich âŠī¸ Congratulations! I'm curious if you have plans to offer other IndieWeb building blocks like Micropub, Microsub, or IndieAuth? Given your offerings, I'm tempted to add @Typlog to the options at https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start.
https://boffosocko.com/2020/04/01/55770003/ (twitter.com/_/status/1245376537290915840)
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aaronpk whoa cool! https://typlog.com/integrations/webmention
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@typlog âŠī¸ @ChrisAldrich We are currently support IndieAuth via Twitter and GitHub. Take an example: https://lepture.com (twitter.com/_/status/1245377458347466753)
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@jgmac1106 Doing some beta testing of the new @withknown courseware plug-in @mapkyca is working on, I love teaching with webmentions so much fun #oer20 https://clients.marcus-povey.co.uk/review/course/view/d05f1a608251e3594c8ad8afe3323dcf/ (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/tvWXB) (twitter.com/_/status/1245421582509621254)
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# gRegorlove what is Typlog?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Typlog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Typlog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Typolog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Typolog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# superkuh The best security is not running code at all and doing things with your eyes manually that can be done manually.
# superkuh Takes me about 15 seconds to go through 2 days of POST data from pingback/webmention on my sites.
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