#dev 2020-03-31
2020-03-31 UTC
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dansup thats a problem I find in pixelfed with federated display names, mastodon re-fetches during search queries
# dansup hi btw, hope everyone is well :)
# dansup [tantek]: what if your avatar, display name, bio, website or other information changes? shouldn't there be a mechanism to update that across subscribers
# dansup perfect, one of my goals this summer is to incorporate more indieweb features into pixelfed
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@t #WebSub is now a @W3C Recommendation! https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-websub-20180123/ Supported by @Google @WordPress etc. #implementnow Congrats @Julien51 @aaronpk! So stop polling so much, start SUBscribing to WEB pages for changes! #openweb #indieweb #webstandards… http://tantek.com/2018/024/t4/websub-recommendation https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUWnl3wVoAA9-eF.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956354767596539904)
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Loqi search in the context of the IndieWeb refers to being able to search your personal site for your own content https://indieweb.org/search
# Loqi ok, I added "Brainstorming: text search of [[photo]] posts, or any posts with images in them, should include the alt text of all such images." to the "See Also" section of /search https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69316&oldid=69264
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# Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indieweb.org/edit
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @TheLexTimes for my site via microsub (http://microsub.spec.indieweb.org/) , lol (twitter.com/_/status/1244849003813949440)
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jacky looks like https://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/06/a-wall-powered-by-eventsource-and-server-sent-events/ is a good example of SSE / EventSource :)
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# [g33kcentric] What do people do in the instance where they are creating a note or article for example, but have several images to include and who also have a separate / for photos
# Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
# [g33kcentric] Hmmm, ok I'll take a look ta!
# [g33kcentric] I'm thinking for me personally, leave notes at just one image and use articles when I want to have more than one image, then split each of those images into separate posts
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@ythaie JL Audio ACP208LG-W3v3 500W MicroSub+ Amplified Subwoofer Ported-Enclosure System with Dual 8" 8W3v3 Subwoofer https://amzn.to/2xFzk2g (twitter.com/_/status/1244974426967306240)
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@_am1t ↩️ I believe Bridgy can send webmentions to original posts too as long as the twitter profile links to the website and u-syndication links are present. That's how I receive webmentions from Twitter to posts on my website. https://brid.gy/about#link (twitter.com/_/status/1244989795442384897)
# @_am1t ↩️ I believe Bridgy can send webmentions to original posts too as long as the twitter profile links to the website and u-syndication links are present. That's how I receive webmentions from Twitter to posts on my website. https://brid.gy/about#link (twitter.com/_/status/1244989795442384897)
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# [g33kcentric] its one of the things you have to get your head around getting into indieweb, apart from things like microformats and technical bits, how your website works is...up to you!
# Loqi A multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout https://indieweb.org/multiphoto
# [g33kcentric] arr brill ta! Yeah im already planning on customising POSSE depending on post type and character length etc 🙂
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[tantek] [g33kcentric] here's the recent novel multiple-images example: I posted a "photo" post of just one photo yet also included additional illustrative images as part of the caption/description. The one photo is the primary content, yet there are multiple images in the post: https://tantek.com/2020/073/t3/racekit-muc50
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] #Racekit prepared for #MUC50 race. Yesterday CA governor Newsom banned 250+ people gatherings which forced cancellation of the Marin Ultra Challenge. With training and support of friends, I’m running the 50 mile course anyway. The cancellation emai... https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/476_m85l0wYOJGR49HxfIPOzxET72clo6cD0fsKiz-_ubmA.jpg
# [g33kcentric] arrr wicked thanks for that
# crab let's hope 249 people don't take you up on your invitation ;-)
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@steveivy Fixed a couple of little bugs in #goldfrog - made it so that the webmention code doesn’t barf on servers with non-verifiable SSL certs, and updated the permashortid code so that Twitter doesn’t always link to the site for Notes
(http://monkinetic.blog txt-616cc03) (twitter.com/_/status/1245047062334324741)
# [LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] I have an action, quite buried right now to look into known for some more S3 related Heroku changes. As-is heroku limits file uploads to 1MB, so I'd like to have some direct to S3 uploads by adding an endpoint, which checks someone is logged in.
# [LewisCowles] generates a pre-signed upload URL, which is time limited. It's not that much work. The hard part is setting aside time to find out how known is handling, routing, auth and hooking into uploads both FE and BE to avoid the heroku issues uploading.
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[jgmac1106] we think we will just follow the old set up...not gonna even try for schools now, just test with all my family blogs goign to do Beanstalk so we can use EB with a S3 backend and I can provision a bucket for each different district/account
# [jgmac1106] the coursebuilder plugin [mapkyca] working on is super cool
# [jgmac1106] may pilot it with goif network sessions
# [LewisCowles] You'll still need to support large files for upload right?
# [LewisCowles] I wonder if you are setting limits
# [jgmac1106] yeah what we were just discussing as needing a fix in the the s3 plugin
# [jgmac1106] this weekend or next Marcus and I will set up the stuff on AWS, you are more than welcome to play along
# [jgmac1106] the course builder plugin: https://github.com/mapkyca/review-courseware the OAuth plugin working much better as well...I am working on the handshakes on my end
# [LewisCowles] I think it's a private repo
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Dark Sky" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Dark Sky is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [jgmac1106] ohh yeah, will tell [mapkyca] he can move it to a Known repo if he wants, all the code will have the same license and go right back to community
# sknebel apparently the best way to "to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe" is kicking of external and Android users... https://blog.darksky.net/dark-sky-has-a-new-home/
# [LewisCowles] no need to do so on my account
# Loqi ok, I added "https://blog.darksky.net/dark-sky-has-a-new-home/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Dark_Sky https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69326&oldid=69325
# [LewisCowles] I was more letting you know in-case you were linking to others who were confused by GitHub's 404 for private things
# [LewisCowles] I'm going to look at the 2FA plugin. I likely won't be looking for over a month
# [jgmac1106] I just forgot, want to take all of ReVIEW open source over next few months, just took over as primary stakeholder and have a few licensing issues first...and some ugly code I don't want people even attempting to use
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[schmarty] glitch.com just launched "boosted" pricing. $10/mo ($8/mo if billed annually), quadruple the ram, double the disk space, apps that stay awake, and no rate limits.
# [schmarty] hopes this means they're finding a sustainable funding model 😅
# [jgmac1106] I do like they only took one investment, less people at the cap table makes for better decisions...still a lot of money to 10x
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# sknebel ah, teams function is still in beta, thus not paid yet: https://glitch.com/teams/
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# [jgmac1106] I think that was kind of abandoned for now as a revenue model, not sure, haven't heard much talk or seen team features being developed
# [_iamdave] Someone have an example of how they’ve implemented dark sky on their sites? The gerbils are running
# Loqi Dark Sky is a weather API (no new signups possible) which some people use to show weather information on posts https://indieweb.org/Dark_Sky
# [_iamdave] Aha.
# [_iamdave] jacky++
# [_iamdave] Hrm.
# [_iamdave] Ahhh. So there may be a solution here.
# [_iamdave] Or an alternative. http://avwx.rest
# [_iamdave] I’ve been watching this quite closely and have wanted to build on it for quite a while but never could find a practical enough application
# [jgmac1106] most f-droig apps use https://openweathermap.org/
# [jgmac1106] f-droid*
# [_iamdave] Oh that already looks like a much simpler feed.
# [_iamdave] jmac1106++ thanks for this.
# [_iamdave] Oops nope.
# [_iamdave] I’ll owe ya one heh ;) thanks.
# [jgmac1106] hee hee, on the flip side then
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# [LewisCowles] > an investigation by ACM Queue put the figure [of sites using schema.org] at 31.3%, while a study by Bing and Catalyst found that just 17% of marketers *use Schema*.*org markup*
# [LewisCowles] Makes sense El-goog would like to support more than just under 1/3 of sites
# [jgmac1106] proper HTML and headings can go a long way with search engines
# [LewisCowles] I'm surprised if it's https://2020.indieweb.org/summit too. It's a heading. I don't think I've ever seen a date as a heading.
# [LewisCowles] I thought there might have been a <time> element
# [LewisCowles] oh there are, just further down
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swentel aaronpk, https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/03/02/google-microformats-support/ seems to confirm that google still supports it
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# [LewisCowles] sknebel it's https://www.searchenginewatch.com/2017/04/18/the-state-of-schema-org-what-are-the-biggest-challenges-surrounding-schema-markup/ confirmed relevant at this time by checking with w3techs
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# [jgmac1106] okay doku wiki has a really good upload and display video workflow: https://www.childrensliteraturewiki.jgregorymcverry.com/doku.php?id=doku_wiki_tutorials
# [jgmac1106] never tried wiki markup for embedded media
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# sufja Hello
# sufja I'm experiencing a very strange issue (to me), unsure what causes it, anyone able to see if they know?
# sufja Basically, a user's second request to the same URL on my website gets cached and I've got no idea where the caching occurs and how to disable it
# sufja If I launch incognito mode, request the website, on the website I use PHP to store an entry in my DB then redirect the page to another website
# sufja First request- it works. Entry's saved in the DB and the browser's then redirected to the other website
# sufja Second request, no entry in the DB and the page's redirected to the other website
# sufja I assume either the browser's caching the response from the request and just serves that to the user (thus no entry in the DB), or the server does this, unsure what does this and how to disable it
# sufja What could cause it?
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[KevinMarks] I think Google changed their text parsers to machine learning so it may have taught itself mf2
# sufja Well, no, because this'll keep reoccurring every time I relaunch incognito mode
# sufja First request works as expected, second request's cached
# [LewisCowles] jgmac1106++
# [LewisCowles] KevinMarks that would be amazing
# [LewisCowles] I Hope it doesn't teach itself raw markup though
# [LewisCowles] like opening times in <p> tags (common WordPress bug-bear)
# sufja 6list
# [KevinMarks] @sufja what kind of redirect are you doing? 302 or 301
# [KevinMarks] 301 is saying that the redirect is permanent and should be cached
# sufja hey [KevinMarks], 302
# sufja It seems to be a disk-cache related thing on Chrome, at least
# sufja It's browser-related I bet. Probably works similar on all browsers
# sufja Cache controls, thank you anyway =)
# [LewisCowles] sufja, can you check the headers for E-tag, and does CTRL/CMD + R force refresh have any impact?
# sufja Fixed :) Cache controls were the issue
# sufja Thank you
# [LewisCowles] can you use something like NGINX + geoIP database to "guess" and pass-down state in headers, or pass an explicit location string when asking about weather?
# [LewisCowles] do while loop?
# [LewisCowles] simplest failover
# [LewisCowles] what did you build? maybe that can help
# [LewisCowles] I'm not sure you do
# [LewisCowles] make a concrete provider that encapsulates the two providers
# [LewisCowles] then your default can be the new concrete with deliberate fallback
# [LewisCowles] right but 5 does nothing but calcify what the cascade should be
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