#dev 2020-03-30
2020-03-30 UTC
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jacky ask and ye shall receive! a little app to do self-hosted livestreaming :) https://github.com/zorchenhimer/MovieNight
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[schmarty] jacky++ oooohhh!!
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@typlog Webmention is supported on Typlog now: https://typlog.com/integrations/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1244528932289830913)
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jamietanna !tell [amit] re the CORS issues with Micropub, I used Netlify functions to avoid it for https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/02/29/media-endpoint-proxy/
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[grantcodes] jamietanna: Have you hit any limits on file sizes on that serverless function? I'm sure that was an issue for others trying serverless media endpoints.
# jamietanna [grantcodes] not that I've found yet, but I've only used it myself a couple of times, and haven't had any complaints!
# [grantcodes] Night theme working well swentel. I find the purple background a little odd, but really nice to have it dark like all my other apps
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[LewisCowles] [jacky]++
# [grantcodes] jamietanna: Cool, I'm sure there were differences between providers when I looked with 20mb being the max the absolute max and some as low as 1mb, but you might not run into that if you are instantly forwarding requests without handling them
# jamietanna swentel++ on the dark mode! Agreed it's a bit different to other apps, but I want to see how I get on with it for now, it may be it's just cause it's different to others and I'm not used to it!
# jamietanna interesting - does your toggle not work in settings? Or do you not have a physical Android phone at all? (I know little about Android dark mode)
# [grantcodes] If you use the material design guidelines you should end up more similar to other apps: https://material.io/design/color/dark-theme.html#properties
# [grantcodes] Says #121212 for a background color
# [grantcodes] Ah yeah. Well anyway, I would prefer it to be more grey in general and reserve colors for buttons / links etc. But that's just a personal preference from a non designer 🙂
# [grantcodes] And if you took all my design suggestions it would just end up looking pretty much the same as together 😄
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# [grantcodes] Sounds good! I doubt there are any accessibility issues, apart from perhaps the purple links, but fine for me
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petermolnar that dark material colour palette is rather ugly :/
# petermolnar I'm struggling to find a single colour that pleases my eye
# petermolnar I want holo back...
# [grantcodes] I hate holo 😛
# [grantcodes] but swentel: I just realised one reason the purple looks off - because the status bar is pure black, in other apps it is a darker shade of the top bar
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@laffer1 I just wrote code like it's 2007 last night. Added the second piece for trackback support to my blog. LOL
I wrote the first part in 2009.
I won't even both implementing pingback. It seems incredibly stupid from a security perspective.
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# [LewisCowles] RE: WebRTC and international calls / availability. It would work best with local edges, but for the most part is not hugely improved as you're jumping around the world either way
# [LewisCowles] this was why I mentioned cost in #chat
# [LewisCowles] sending electrons making up a video is a challenge in itself for any tech. You could do a lot of work on improving the links between the edges, and that may have a benefit for speed etc, but that is an incredibly expensive undertaking
# [LewisCowles] way outside of dev or general chat RE: links between edges
# [LewisCowles] I think the light-speed ideal is 7.5 times around the world in 1 second, so 15 times to go between any 2 points in an ideal network... We don't have light-speed or ideal networks
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Zegnat swentel: if you want some way for the app to get a token right from a token endpoint (in your case your Drupal backend), maybe consider QR codes? Your app would scan the QR code through the camera, that way the token never touches user UI (no email, no clipboard). It could then also be easily explained why it is one way: the app does not have an option to expose the token a again, it does not generate QR codes.
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# [grantcodes] Could you not make a fork / branch at a different url? No idea how hard that is to maintain
# [LewisCowles] Is there a way to contribute enough that you enable an interface for orthagonal extension without getting the whole code merged?
# [LewisCowles] Then you're not maintaining a fork, just a teensy bit of a system, plus your own additions
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aaronpk that's looking better https://aaronparecki.com/presentations
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GWG aaronpk: How about you solve the problem with https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/21? https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/8 or https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7
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# [LewisCowles] aaronpk++
# [LewisCowles] is Portland Linux/Unix Group PUG or PLUG?
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# [LewisCowles] My local LUG has been shrinking for years. Need to find ways to revive it.
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[KevinMarks] We have some light speed network links - fibre optics are light though slowed down by the fibre refractive index. Microwave links are light speed. Satellites are light speed but they travel further. Copper cables area about 1/3 light speed. But some bugger always puts a buffer in
# [KevinMarks] Have a post from 1996 about latency and the speed of light http://www.stuartcheshire.org/rants/Latency.html
# [LewisCowles] [KevinMarks] the latency is the part I was saying was the issue with international two-way comms
# [LewisCowles] you can combine as many modems as you like together, but they won't crack the speed of light
# [LewisCowles] I'm not aware of any global networks offering end to end fibre, but it's not a business I'm in. The "It's too expensive" would be my out. I Never like the initial cost of exploration
# [LewisCowles] the radio signals work, but you need a heavily controlled environment
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# [KevinMarks] Wembley stadium is over a second
# [LewisCowles] is that sound?
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# [KevinMarks] Yes, sound is 300m/s so a million times slower than light
# [KevinMarks] Getting closer to your mic can really help
# [LewisCowles] hehe
# [LewisCowles] oh yeah, but it's moving bigger particles. The way I explain it to people is that it all comes down to how big the thing you have to move is
# [LewisCowles] computers are so fast now because they are moving smaller, more precise pieces
# [LewisCowles] sound I think is a physical concussive wave isn't it?
# [LewisCowles] so everything between the source and the receiver has to be moved to get there
# [LewisCowles] higher energy waves, I think its the energy itself moving rather than influencing many other things
# [LewisCowles] I could be wrong
# [LewisCowles] I'm no particle or physicist
# [LewisCowles] KevinMarks++ for the good read
# [LewisCowles] have you read the email bouncing >
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# [LewisCowles] Funny thing about latency is that it's hard to keep it constant and can be impacted by load, so your 22ms home router can have > 22ms outside of ideal conditions such as more users being on the network, or can experience paths to endpoints taking > 22ms. I think I'm < 20ms to the nearest centres most times, but could move 15 miles away and get 5ms to people within 5 miles. Flashboys is an interesting read about how much money some people
# [LewisCowles] make working on physical engineering projects.
# [LewisCowles] I'm much happier with a job that has an undo button
# [LewisCowles] and a git history 😂
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# [KevinMarks] Bufferbloat is a good read too
# [LewisCowles] That quote "I was born with a reading list I'll never finish".. It's real. Added to the list. Thanks Kevin
# [LewisCowles] Oh, its a wikipedia and seems not to be a book
# [LewisCowles] is there an ISBN?
# [KevinMarks] The intro explains the broad idea, and it's become a set of protocols
# [_iamdave] tiddlywiki doesn't seem to like it when I try accessing system templates. orly?
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