#dev 2020-03-30

2020-03-30 UTC
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jacky
ask and ye shall receive! a little app to do self-hosted livestreaming :) https://github.com/zorchenhimer/MovieNight
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Loqi
[zorchenhimer] MovieNight: Single instance video streaming server with integrated chat.
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jacky
just tried it out and it's as easy as it looks (granted I'm using Dokku to deploy so it was just a `git push` for me)
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aaronpk
Whoa I'm gonna have to look into that later
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jacky
I just asked and someone off the fediverse responded with it
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jacky
tbh it's what I want - I can build a page around it and not have to use the rest of it
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jacky
and it has some lightweight auth stuff
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vilhalmer
huh, neat
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[schmarty]
jacky++ oooohhh!!
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Loqi
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aaronpk
What is doing the RMTP streaming there? Is it just like a pass through?
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jacky
I have no idea
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jacky
like I wanted to try to understand it
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jacky
but I don't grok Go well enough
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jamietanna
!tell [amit] re the CORS issues with Micropub, I used Netlify functions to avoid it for https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/02/29/media-endpoint-proxy/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Jamie Tanna] Announcing Micropub-Media-Endpoint-Proxy
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[grantcodes]
jamietanna: Have you hit any limits on file sizes on that serverless function? I'm sure that was an issue for others trying serverless media endpoints.
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swentel
oh interesting
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swentel
[grantcodes], how's the night theme working out? Unless you haven't seen it yet of course .. :)
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jamietanna
[grantcodes] not that I've found yet, but I've only used it myself a couple of times, and haven't had any complaints!
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[grantcodes]
Night theme working well swentel. I find the purple background a little odd, but really nice to have it dark like all my other apps
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Loqi
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[grantcodes]
jamietanna: Cool, I'm sure there were differences between providers when I looked with 20mb being the max the absolute max and some as low as 1mb, but you might not run into that if you are instantly forwarding requests without handling them
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swentel
[grantcodes], suggestions welcome for a different color :)
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jamietanna
swentel++ on the dark mode! Agreed it's a bit different to other apps, but I want to see how I get on with it for now, it may be it's just cause it's different to others and I'm not used to it!
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Loqi
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swentel
jamietanna, yeah, I'm still trying to get used to it as well a bit. The problem is that I don't have physical phone that has global dark mode, so not so easy to compare, can only see it on the emulator
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swentel
so I'm definitely open for altering the colors to more 'default' behavior
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jamietanna
interesting - does your toggle not work in settings? Or do you not have a physical Android phone at all? (I know little about Android dark mode)
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swentel
yeah, the toggle works in settings of indigenous
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swentel
I just don't have a global dark mode on my phone
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swentel
so, can't see how the other apps change color, only in the emulator
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swentel
the global dark mode is only available in the latest stable android, unless I'm really missing something :)
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swentel
maybe there are apps in the store to toggle it, that's possible
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[grantcodes]
If you use the material design guidelines you should end up more similar to other apps: https://material.io/design/color/dark-theme.html#properties
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[grantcodes]
Says #121212 for a background color
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swentel
I think I use that as background color
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swentel
And I took that purple from in the 'Accessibility and contrast' section
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swentel
(maybe a slight alter, not sure anymore)
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swentel
(second image, first row)
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[grantcodes]
Ah yeah. Well anyway, I would prefer it to be more grey in general and reserve colors for buttons / links etc. But that's just a personal preference from a non designer 🙂
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swentel
hehe, yeah, I wish I had a better design eye as well ;)
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[grantcodes]
And if you took all my design suggestions it would just end up looking pretty much the same as together 😄
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swentel
yeah, that's not the intention :)
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swentel
I'll ask some advice from my partner, she's responsible for the design for our projects, I'll let her make it pretty, and she knows about accessibility too
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[grantcodes]
Sounds good! I doubt there are any accessibility issues, apart from perhaps the purple links, but fine for me
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petermolnar
that dark material colour palette is rather ugly :/
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petermolnar
I'm struggling to find a single colour that pleases my eye
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petermolnar
I want holo back...
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[grantcodes]
I hate holo 😛
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[grantcodes]
but swentel: I just realised one reason the purple looks off - because the status bar is pure black, in other apps it is a darker shade of the top bar
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swentel
[grantcodes], ah ok, will experiment a bit :)
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aaronpk
i think today is the day i finally make a new UI in Quill for posting my conference talk posts
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aaronpk
apparently i forgot to add any 2018 talks to my site
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@laffer1
I just wrote code like it's 2007 last night. Added the second piece for trackback support to my blog. LOL I wrote the first part in 2009. I won't even both implementing pingback. It seems incredibly stupid from a security perspective. webmentions is overengineered.
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swentel
so, is it a good idea to allow users viewing the access token? e.g.: indigenous desktop has an option to manually enter a token; I'm able to copy it from my backend (drupal), but maybe not everyone has that ability, so I could add that option in Indigenous Android.
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swentel
thoughts welcome :)
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swentel
even if it is 'no no no, BAD idea' ;)
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aaronpk
if you let someone copy a token from one app to another, then the two apps are sharing a token and they can't be tracked or revoked separately
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aaronpk
so usually you want each app to be using its own token
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swentel
hmm that makes sense indeed
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swentel
also, I'm worried about copy/paste
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swentel
they would have to probably send it through mail, or something else
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swentel
I can generate new tokens in drupal backend which are separate, so that's fine
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swentel
wow, nice split
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swentel
so, the more I think of it, the less I find it a could idea
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aaronpk
yeah that's a concern too for sure
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aaronpk
found a slow join query on his home page and fixed it!
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jacky
aaronpk: I thought about it re: tracking tokens
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jacky
one could track the host it's coming in from, no?
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aaronpk
not if it's from a mobile device
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jacky
hmm true
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aaronpk
the token is supposed to represent all that data
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jacky
is that the RFC to "SUPPOSED TO" lol
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aaronpk
kinda yeah lol
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aaronpk
"An access token is a string representing an authorization issued to the client"
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aaronpk
wow it's been a while since i've dug into the Quill source
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aaronpk
what a mess
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jacky
lol me to my cabinet every two weeks
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[LewisCowles]
RE: WebRTC and international calls / availability. It would work best with local edges, but for the most part is not hugely improved as you're jumping around the world either way
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[LewisCowles]
this was why I mentioned cost in #chat
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[LewisCowles]
sending electrons making up a video is a challenge in itself for any tech. You could do a lot of work on improving the links between the edges, and that may have a benefit for speed etc, but that is an incredibly expensive undertaking
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[LewisCowles]
way outside of dev or general chat RE: links between edges
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[LewisCowles]
I think the light-speed ideal is 7.5 times around the world in 1 second, so 15 times to go between any 2 points in an ideal network... We don't have light-speed or ideal networks
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Zegnat
swentel: if you want some way for the app to get a token right from a token endpoint (in your case your Drupal backend), maybe consider QR codes? Your app would scan the QR code through the camera, that way the token never touches user UI (no email, no clipboard). It could then also be easily explained why it is one way: the app does not have an option to expose the token a again, it does not generate QR codes.
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Zegnat
Still means the app does not neccessarily do the authorization dance itself, but it seems to address some of your concerns
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jacky
ooh yeah
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jacky
adds this as a 'thing'
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aaronpk
sometimes i feel bad adding all this special/experimental stuff to quill that i'm likely the only one who will use
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jacky
feel bad for extra maintenance?
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jacky
and surely, you can see what's used the most?
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GWG
aaronpk: I have some things I suggested for Quill I considered adding via PR
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aaronpk
nah i don't keep any stats
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aaronpk
and like i don't want to show interfaces to people who can't post them to their sites
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aaronpk
but also i need an interface for this so i can stop hand-editing files
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aaronpk
and there's explicitly no editing UI in my own site so that it forces me to write editors as micropub clients
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GWG
aaronpk: Are there features you wouldn't allow in Quill?
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aaronpk
possibly
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GWG
I'm thinking of things like the draft scope, location visibility, etc. Some of the proposals I made.
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GWG
Also the lack of an itinerary summary property
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GWG
Sometime I should work on some PHP not in WordPress
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sknebel
aaronpk: as a compromise, you could add a "here be dragons" flag to the settings?
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aaronpk
hm yeah
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aaronpk
right now i'm hiding most of the form controls behind secret shortcuts
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aaronpk
or making things appear only if certain things come back in a micropub config query
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[tantek]
makes sense
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aaronpk
manton and I already coordinated on some post type support so that i could hide all the unsupported post types in quill from micro.blog users
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aaronpk
that was last year IWC austin IIRC
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GWG
I remember that conversartion
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GWG
It was very productive, as I recall.
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aaronpk
okay new UI is done, and made some minor updates to my site to support adding links and embeds of presentation slides and video
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aaronpk
now for some data entry
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[grantcodes]
Could you not make a fork / branch at a different url? No idea how hard that is to maintain
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aaronpk
maintaining a fork sounds like not fun
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[LewisCowles]
Is there a way to contribute enough that you enable an interface for orthagonal extension without getting the whole code merged?
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[LewisCowles]
Then you're not maintaining a fork, just a teensy bit of a system, plus your own additions
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jacky
feature flagging :)
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jacky
but I think aaronpk gets that for free with q=config
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aaronpk
this is so nice being able to post these easily
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] How to Hack OAuth
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Loqi
[EdwardHinkle] #21 Query for unsupported properties
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GWG
Query for supported properties and queries, essentially
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aaronpk
That would be better, but I don't want to rush into an implementation of that and regret the decisions later
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aaronpk
and really I just wanted to update my list of presentations today
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GWG
I'm just thinking long term that finalizing the supported properties/queries methodology would be good to brainstorm.
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GWG
We have a lot of comments on it there
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Loqi
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[LewisCowles]
is Portland Linux/Unix Group PUG or PLUG?
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[LewisCowles]
My local LUG has been shrinking for years. Need to find ways to revive it.
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GWG
[LewisCowles]: Online is good now
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[KevinMarks]
We have some light speed network links - fibre optics are light though slowed down by the fibre refractive index. Microwave links are light speed. Satellites are light speed but they travel further. Copper cables area about 1/3 light speed. But some bugger always puts a buffer in
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[KevinMarks]
Have a post from 1996 about latency and the speed of light http://www.stuartcheshire.org/rants/Latency.html
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[LewisCowles]
[KevinMarks] the latency is the part I was saying was the issue with international two-way comms
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[LewisCowles]
you can combine as many modems as you like together, but they won't crack the speed of light
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[LewisCowles]
I'm not aware of any global networks offering end to end fibre, but it's not a business I'm in. The "It's too expensive" would be my out. I Never like the initial cost of exploration
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[LewisCowles]
the radio signals work, but you need a heavily controlled environment
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sknebel
What I find a fun comparison: a large room, e.g. a concert hall, also has like 50-100ms latency from stage to last row
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[KevinMarks]
Wembley stadium is over a second
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[LewisCowles]
is that sound?
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sknebel
sound is *slow*
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[KevinMarks]
Yes, sound is 300m/s so a million times slower than light
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[KevinMarks]
Getting closer to your mic can really help
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[LewisCowles]
oh yeah, but it's moving bigger particles. The way I explain it to people is that it all comes down to how big the thing you have to move is
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[LewisCowles]
computers are so fast now because they are moving smaller, more precise pieces
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[LewisCowles]
sound I think is a physical concussive wave isn't it?
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[LewisCowles]
so everything between the source and the receiver has to be moved to get there
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[LewisCowles]
higher energy waves, I think its the energy itself moving rather than influencing many other things
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[LewisCowles]
I could be wrong
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[LewisCowles]
I'm no particle or physicist
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[LewisCowles]
KevinMarks++ for the good read
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Loqi
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[LewisCowles]
have you read the email bouncing > {distance} posts?
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sknebel
hehe, yeah
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[LewisCowles]
Funny thing about latency is that it's hard to keep it constant and can be impacted by load, so your 22ms home router can have > 22ms outside of ideal conditions such as more users being on the network, or can experience paths to endpoints taking > 22ms. I think I'm < 20ms to the nearest centres most times, but could move 15 miles away and get 5ms to people within 5 miles. Flashboys is an interesting read about how much money some people
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[LewisCowles]
make working on physical engineering projects.
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[LewisCowles]
I'm much happier with a job that has an undo button
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[LewisCowles]
and a git history 😂
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[KevinMarks]
Bufferbloat is a good read too
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[LewisCowles]
That quote "I was born with a reading list I'll never finish".. It's real. Added to the list. Thanks Kevin
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[LewisCowles]
Oh, its a wikipedia and seems not to be a book
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[LewisCowles]
is there an ISBN?
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[KevinMarks]
The intro explains the broad idea, and it's become a set of protocols
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[_iamdave]
tiddlywiki doesn't seem to like it when I try accessing system templates. orly?
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