#dev 2020-03-29

2020-03-29 UTC
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[LewisCowles] iamdave++
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[chrisaldrich] comes too late to the party....
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[chrisaldrich] I've only got /TiddlyWiki running on a private local set up. Haven't got enough chops yet to run it on a public server.
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[chrisaldrich] iamdave++, If you've got an h-card with rel-me set up, you should be able to log into the Wiki. Consider documenting that issue maybe on the /TiddlyWiki page.
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[tantek] Welcome iamdave++
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[chrisaldrich] Glad to have another TiddlyWiki site to add to my fraidyc.at reader...
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iamdave thanks gang, and [chrisaldrich] I definitely plan to keep tinkering throughout the week, would be happy to publish there results.
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iamdave thank you [tantek]++
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iamdave will keep the community informed. cheers. [chrisaldrich]++
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[chrisaldrich] We're around if you need help/pointers.
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iamdave groovy. will make a mental note to get joined into slack proper later this weekend.
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nulld1g1t hi chaps
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jamietanna !tell snarfed I'm finally getting granary released (I see you already released o-d) and am at the point to release it up - my username there is `jamietanna`
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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nulld1g1t how much does it cost to hire html/javascript devs ?
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Zegnat Hello nulld1g1t! :) I don’t think I have an answer to that. But someone else here may have
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[LewisCowles] Nulld1g1t or... You could embark on the journey to learn what one knows and guess at a valuation. Lots of materials online for free if price is important
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nulld1g1t ??
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nulld1g1t no one can tell me how much it cost to hire a web dev ?
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nulld1g1t for writing html and javascript
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dmitry depends on a country. You can try to hire someone from Ukraine/Belarus/Russia starting from about $10/hour
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jacky that was def either a troll or spam
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aaronpk Yea don't bother entertaining those kinds of questions. Just explain the scope of the topic of the channel and send them elsewhere
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swentel haha, funny bug with my microsub server. I created a 'favorites' channel where I can move items too .. but forget the feed is cleanup up of course :)
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swentel *to
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swentel *cleaned
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dmitry ok, wow. I'd never guess it on my own. How this question can troll anyone?
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dmitry and, more on topic: how much time do you guys usually invest in page design? I've spent a few hours, started again, spent a few hours more and I think it cuold take awhile
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swentel [grantcodes], just committed 'mark read while scrolling'. It actually works great, weird that I've hold that one off for so long ;)
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[grantcodes] Wow fast work swentel!
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[grantcodes] swentel++
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swentel released pushed!
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[amit] Hello Folks. I am kinda stuck with a situation. I am trying to create a micropub client that is purely client side (pure Javascript-based). Is that a good idea? I believe there would be too many `cors` issues?
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[amit] What else can become a hurdle?
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sknebel CORS seems the main one
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[grantcodes] Yeah cors will be a huge issue
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[amit] Yeah, thought so. I guess will have to move this server side, no other option.
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[snarfed] [amit] sure there is, just use a CORS proxy like https://cors-anywhere.herokuapp.com/
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Loqi [snarfed]: jamietanna left you a message 4 hours, 41 minutes ago: I'm finally getting granary released (I see you already released o-d) and am at the point to release it up - my username there is `jamietanna`
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[amit] [snarfed] Ah great. 👍
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[amit] I will give it a try. Demo looks promising.
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[amit] Can there be any other issue with pure JS approach?
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[grantcodes] I think I have run into issues with those sort of things before, can't remember what though
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[grantcodes] cors proxies that is
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[grantcodes] I think it's not actually the micropub part that is so bad with cors, but the other associated stuff like parsing peoples sites for headers and link tags
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[amit] [grantcodes] Exactly, am through the IndieAuth part. Time to fetch the access token from token endpoint. And that's when I realized it might get tricker.
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[grantcodes] You can try micropub-helper it's designed to work client side or server side, but you'll still need to do something for cors
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[snarfed] [amit] i've forgotten what IndieAuth's equivalent of the OAuth PKCE flow is for avoiding client secret in JavaScript, but you'll need to do that instead of the normal three-legged OAuth flow. which then means your client will only support authorization endpoints that support that
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GWG [snarfed]: PKCE.
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aaronpk indieauth never used a client secret, PKCE is just a good security upgrade
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GWG So, IndieAuth's equivalent of PKCE is PKCE
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[amit] Yep, no client secret was the reason I started exploring the client side approach.
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[amit] Of course, would still need to maintain the access token?
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aaronpk yes
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[amit] Ok great. Will continue on this track.
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[amit] [grantcodes] micropub-helper looks great. Again, with cors warning
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crab hi.
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crab hmm. so the java parser handles <span class="u-email">xyz@example.org</span> sensibly, but whatever's on indiewebify.me doesn't like it much.
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aaronpk i don't think that's valid microformats, try p-email though
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes
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Loqi microformats2 prefix conventions
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crab it sure is hard to go against a two-decade habit of not putting mailto: on web pages to avoid spam.
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GWG crab: I think the ship has sailed.
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swentel GWG, new indigenous release pushed
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GWG swentel: Is this the dark one?
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swentel night mode and mark read while scroll are in
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crab what's indigeneous?
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swentel crab, https://indieweb.org/Indigenous (I maintain the android version)
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aaronpk i gave up on hiding my email address years ago. it's not like that stops spam anyway
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GWG aaronpk: Exactly
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GWG swentel: I prefer Mark Above as Read to Mark Read As Scroll.
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swentel GWG, that's possible right, or what does that mean exactly?
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crab ok. looks like i have a valid representative h-card now.
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crab thanks.
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crab pity the <link rel=canonical class="u-url" href="…"> thing didn't work though.
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GWG swentel: You long press an entry, and it gives you a context menu. On the menu, an option is mark entries above this as read
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swentel oh like that
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GWG It's how I mark things as read.
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crab so this thing of making your homepage be your representative h-card is just a convention, right?
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crab there's nothing preventing me from doing it on $site/h-card, say?
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swentel GWG, I can code that, I'll open an issue
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swentel GWG, I might include the current one as well, makes sense no?
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swentel because I don't see how to mark something read when you're at the very end of a stream
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GWG Yes.
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GWG The Mark Above Read is just how several readers do it
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swentel ok
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swentel damn, should have waited for a release, this will take me like half an hour or so
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swentel because I have that function written for the read scroll
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swentel it's the same
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GWG aaronpk: https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20200401T1730&tz=Europe%2FLondon is showing 0:30PM instead of 12:30PM.
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aaronpk what browser?
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aaronpk i see 12:30
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GWG Firefox
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aaronpk for some reason `date.getHours() == 0` is not true in firefox then
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GWG That's interesting.
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jacky hmm I see 12:30 PM on my firefox instance
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aaronpk same, firefox windows
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GWG Odd.
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GWG I need another Linux user to check
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swentel what?
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aaronpk GWG: can you run this in your FF console? (new Date("2020-03-03 12:00:00")).getHours()
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jacky is that linux user :)
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GWG aaronpk: It says 12
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GWG Which is weird.
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swentel GWG, https://i.postimg.cc/CMHd5shg/event.png
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aaronpk oh yeah the "0" was just for midnight
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GWG aaronpk: But somehow, it is showing 5:30PM Europe/London = 0:30PM America/New_York
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dmitry if you still need another linux user to check, I can
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dmitry GWG
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GWG dmitry: What time does this show? https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20200401T1730&tz=Europe%2FLondon
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dmitry https://i.imgur.com/IDODqSA.png
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aaronpk it would only be a bug when the local time would show noon
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aaronpk so you'll need to check an event where the local time is noon, or set your timezone to eastern time and look at that event
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jacky ^
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swentel GWG, so, I wonder, do you sometimes copy/paste text in the reader?
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GWG Not often
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swentel because that's what's sitting in the way a bit for the long press
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swentel and to be fair, I hardly use it either
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jacky I sometimes do that
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jacky because apps would force twitter to open to share stuff
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jacky but it's nbd tbh once I move more stuff into microsub
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swentel GWG, as alternative, I could make the 'Mark read' action in the menu per post behave like you want.
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swentel that's two more clicks of course :/
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GWG swentel, another option in the post menu is fine for now
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swentel ok
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dmitry https://dmitry.earth/scripts/fast-focus -- that's how I've spent this weekend. It's just a draft of a prototype of a first draft, but it took surprisingly lot of time
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dmitry would appreciate every feedback. I want to make this section on a website looks more like terminal, use ASCII-art and such
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swentel GWG, ok, will be for next weekend, going to try and not code this week in the evening (working during the day already too)
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swentel focus on the new rubik's cubes instead :)
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@oldaily Webmentions with WordPress for Open Pedagogy #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/70671 This is the text and images from a presentation at the PressEd conference held online last week. As the title suggests, the focus is the use of Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1244362919070048256)
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@ChrisAldrich Thanks for the shout out (and the Webmention) Stephen! https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/29/55769872/ (twitter.com/_/status/1244371739104006144)
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[tantek] What is the web we found?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web we found" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web we found is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Web We Found was a talk and presentation by {{kevinmarks]] at Le Web 2013 that summarized the start of various positive trends and patterns from 2003 onward, like blogging, building on open protocols, which have grown since, many incorporated into the IndieWeb, and provides hopeful counterpoint to [[The Web We Lost]].
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] Web We Found << Slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html
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Loqi ok, I added "Slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Web_We_Found https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69285&oldid=69284
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[tantek] Web We Found << Video (21m09s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve48PjgDAn0
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[tantek] Web We Lost << Web We Found
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Web We Found]]" to the "See Also" section of /lost_infrastructure https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69286&oldid=69283
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[tantek] Web We Found << Web We Lost
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Loqi ok, I added "Web We Lost" to the "See Also" section of /Web_We_Found https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69287&oldid=69285
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