#dev 2020-04-05
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[chrisaldrich] I'll take it back. mention-tech's status page said yes, but then refreshing back to the main page said no...
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# [chrisaldrich] The cache finally cleared, so I've been able to log into the wiki with my TiddlyWiki subdomain. 🎉
# [chrisaldrich] Now onto webmention.
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# [chrisaldrich] And finally, after dinner, I've now got a personal TiddlyWiki set up with Webmention and Pingback endpoints! On to h-card set up.
# [chrisaldrich] TiddlyWiki << example: https://iamdave.co/
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Loqi ok, I added "example: https://iamdave.co/" to the "See Also" section of /TiddlyWiki https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69397&oldid=69394
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@skry ↩️ It seems to be a web standard protocol rather than being a product. https://nordicapis.com/websub-common-cases-and-implementations/
Here are some things to look at:
https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
https://brid.gy/
https://indieweb.org/PESOS#Software
https://withknown.com/
https://ifttt.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1246687590381531138)
# @skry ↩️ It seems to be a web standard protocol rather than being a product. https://nordicapis.com/websub-common-cases-and-implementations/
Here are some things to look at:
https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
https://brid.gy/
https://indieweb.org/PESOS#Software
https://withknown.com/
https://ifttt.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1246687590381531138)
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@markusstaab ↩️ @evertp I am wondering why our tweets here dont show up as a webmention no the actual post? (twitter.com/_/status/1246709499911684096)
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@evertp ↩️ I don't 100% know how it works. It doesn't work all the time. Maybe the original tweet with the link needs to not be a reply.. not not sure. This is a http://brid.gy thing (twitter.com/_/status/1246713136884994048)
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crab this json+ld stuff that google supports in some contexts (e.g. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/qapage) seems like such a terrible waste.
# crab forced duplication of everything, basically.
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I was able to get webmentions going right on doku wiki
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# [jgmac1106] need the content, but close
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[KevinMarks] Indeed, crab.
# [jgmac1106] blog posts missing the p-name.....
# [jgmac1106] yippee, I think I now have a wiki that also has a blog, both with proper(ish) microformats and articles and blog posts accept and display webmentions
# [jgmac1106] I can't figure out how to add the correct link to my twitter profile for Brid.gy but that is fine, now back to filling pages with content
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doubleloop I'm looking into a problem with my h-card
# doubleloop Seems OK on indiewebify.me - https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoubleloop.net%2F
# doubleloop But doesn't seem to be being parsed correctly in a few places, e.g. https://events.indieweb.org/2020/04/online-homebrew-website-club-europe-london-2Kc9aetW589f
# doubleloop Also not parsed correctly here: https://desmondrivet.com/2020/04/04/indieweb-conversation and here https://mblaney.xyz/2020-03-29-Just_updated_some_of_the_wording_and_sign_up_proce
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# crab oh, JSON-LD is only one of three supported ways to provide structured data. microdata and rdfa look closed to how h-entry looks.
# crab s/closed/closer/
# [jgmac1106] in the edu space everything is going to JSON-LD, not that it matters. People always talk about metadata and interoperability but nothing ever comes about
# doubleloop sknebel: yup was just seeing that! Seems to be picked up in xray OK though - http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoubleloop.net%2F2020%2F04%2F05%2F6742%2F&pretty=true
# [jgmac1106] no u-photo
# [jgmac1106] I see one here: view-source:https://doubleloop.net/2020/04/01/6702/
# doubleloop I guess xray is intelligent to also pick it up from the page's h-card?
# [jgmac1106] on the rsvp but I don't see the u-photo..nvm I do
# [jgmac1106] if sknebel is helping going to back away
# doubleloop Cool - well this is an easy fix, thanks :)
# crab i have no expectations really
# crab i added h-entry support based on a mistaken assumption (that google supported it), now i'm just looking around at stuff
# crab so i have no agenda, i'm already happy even if i do nothing else.
# crab but i know i'm definitely not going to add json-ld structured data to my site.
# crab yeah. i'm not going to get sucked into that bog.
# crab especially because the schema.org definitions have so many properties and types that i feel a bit dizzy.
# doubleloop sknebel: ahh, so in each entry I can just have a u-author that links to where my h-card is? I don't need to have an h-card in each h-entry?
# Loqi authorship is how to indicate who the author is for a post, and an algorithm that determines the author of a post https://indieweb.org/authorship
# doubleloop Neat, thanks! sknebel++
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# [jgmac1106] messing up my authorship a bit right now myself
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# [jgmac1106] so it seems so far my options with dokuwiki, is one template that uses too much jquery to style using panes ...and I can't use CSS to fix...and another that uses more modern CSS but for some reason doesn't work with fluffys javascript webmention script
# [jgmac1106] ...either way I can still organize my thoughts..all the InideWeb stuff just a distraction from the work.
# [LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] what errors are you seeing from fluffy's script?
# [LewisCowles] if none, check the network tab
# [jgmac1106] just not displaying in the theme
# [jgmac1106] hasnothing to do with the script
# [LewisCowles] I had this and it was me failing to use the 'data' attributes
# [jgmac1106] longthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com has everythign working but the jquery for the panes injects a ton of inline CSS and I can't figure out how to add a media query to hide the sidebar https://longthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/doku.php?id=knowledge_knitting
# [jgmac1106] I so prefer using CSS for layout
# [LewisCowles] being able to resize that sidebar really upsets me
# [LewisCowles] I might not look at this one. I get too invested in problems I don't need to solve sometimes
# [LewisCowles] jeremycherfas++
# [jgmac1106] yeah I am trying to walk away from that theme, but when I try this: https://longthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/doku.php?id=namespace:test_post the webmention script doesn't load
# [jgmac1106] really I should just ignore it all and get my content up which is my only real goal, just using the IndieWeb stuff as a distraction bc "get too invested in problems I don't need to solve sometimes"
# [LewisCowles] jgmac1106++
# [LewisCowles] content first
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[jeremycherfas] [LewisCowles] ++ for patience, doggedness and eagle eyes.
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aaronpk might be a good idea to point out that typically RSVP responses are short posts, maybe link to https://indieweb.org/rsvp#IndieWeb_Examples
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jmac So... aaronpk, when I shared a mockup of an inbox-based webmention-moderation UI a week or two back, you (and others here) convinced me that it wouldn't fly, because the task of slogging through manual moderation is just too onerous. Y'all suggested a stance of "accept everything not blocked, and make blocking easy" instead
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@JmacDotOrg Sunday technology long-ish read by Y.T. about Webmention. https://fogknife.com/2020-04-05-webmentions-active-and-passive.html (twitter.com/_/status/1246861411000745986)
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# Ryuno-Ki snarfed I'm here :-)
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# doubleloop Hmm.. any clues what would stop my posts having the usual like/repost/reply actions next to them in social readers?
# doubleloop aaronpk++ ah thanks! yeah they're all missing the url property
# doubleloop (I love breaking things.. it's the best way to learn how they work)
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# dansup will take a look snarfed!
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@shadowcat_mst ↩️ Realistically, webmentions are a form of (indirect) comment, and therefore have the same moderation/anti-spam requirements as comments, and, well, welcome to the modern internet.
Still a good idea. (twitter.com/_/status/1246911867026628610)
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# [KevinMarks] gah. I have https/http catch 22 going on. I want to use the location API, which requires the site serving to be https. But then I need to fetch a resource from a http origin, and it gets blocked as mixed content.
# [KevinMarks] is there a way to tell fetch that I want it to use http ?
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# [LewisCowles] stick a proxy in-front
# [LewisCowles] only browsers have mixed-origin rules
# [KevinMarks] Yeah. I was trying not to have to use server side code for this. What a pain.
# [LewisCowles] There may be http headers or other options I'm unaware of
# [KevinMarks] it's not my http server, it's a 3rd party api
# [KevinMarks] and their cert is not good
# [LewisCowles] I meant from your initial document
# [LewisCowles] but it sounds like a proxy may be the only way to go
# [LewisCowles] Here you may be able to cheat
# [LewisCowles] it's a json file. The "live-ness" might be something you can trade off and bring it into your site at a period
# [LewisCowles] weather can change in seconds or less, but it's uncommon to see it reported as fast
# [KevinMarks] yes, the updates are 3 hourly
# [KevinMarks] I can make my own proxy site, sure. I was just hoping to avoid that part.
# [LewisCowles] I would
# [LewisCowles] proxy site, potentially 86400 serial connections per-day
# [LewisCowles] cached json, under 3000 per year
# [KevinMarks] that way I can hide my api key from the client too
# [LewisCowles] TBC I'm recommending just grabbing a copy once per 3 hours
# [KevinMarks] I have a site that works on localhost but not on a server.
# [LewisCowles] is the key site-specific?
# [LewisCowles] if it is, then you may have minor spelunking faking browser headers
# [LewisCowles] it's literally a referer
# [LewisCowles] please roll that key
# [LewisCowles] apologies for trying it, I just wanted to know if the met office site was broken, or if it were a site-specific key
# [KevinMarks] caching it makes some sense
# [KevinMarks] I think they never set up tls on the api
# [LewisCowles] It looks like they are using Akamai
# [LewisCowles] so it may cost more to have vanity cert, or it might be something overlooked.
# [LewisCowles] Government. Nobody gets much thanks for it
# [KevinMarks] so if I serve from http, it works http://where.kevin-marks.com/maptime/weather.html but then I can't use the location API to see wher you are.
# [LewisCowles] two ways to solve that conundrum. pass location from a page that is https via query param so it's bookmarkable, or look towards https with proxy or cache
# [LewisCowles] so long as there is state I think whatever you choose isn't the end of the world
# [LewisCowles] it makes it less black-box
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# [KevinMarks] I could server it form my phone to itself over http, that's a splendidly bonkers workaround
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# [Cheuk] Finally get around to try using micro.blog, however, the cross-posting to LinkedIn seems borken?