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[snarfed] aaronpk we haven't sketched out a "pure web" or "indieweb" version of backfeed, have we? ie something like an extension to webmention where servers would send to rel-canonical or similar links in targets, if found, and then receivers would also support incoming wms where the target is u-syndication link instead of the target?
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aaronpk huh i do not remember writing this https://github.com/aaronpk/example-indieauth-server
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[prtksxna] aaronpk: I was wondering, do you imagine Webmentions (and the rest of the stack) being used for games and other kinds of apps regularly? (sorry if this isn’t the correct channel, happy to move)
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# [prtksxna] Right 🙂
# [prtksxna] Do you think the other stacks
# [prtksxna] — Solid, Activity* — have more of a focus on other kinds of apps?
# [prtksxna] (sorry, hit enter by accident)
# [prtksxna] I don’t mean games specifically, but other apps in general — things that aren’t personal websites.
# [prtksxna] Yeah, turn based games that have to maintain some state would work. IIRC there was a tic-tac-toe demo that I saw?
# [prtksxna] Heh, do you use it that way 🙂
# [prtksxna] My question was if this is part of the larger vision for the stack?
# [prtksxna] Whoa! That is really cool 😄
# [prtksxna] 🙂
# [prtksxna] Would it mean that we’d have to define some mf2 format for each new ‘game’ (state and turn) or any other application we might try to build/
# aaronpk ok step 1 to dev.to supporting webmentions is they need to fix their HTML! There's an entire nested HTML page inside pages right now https://github.com/thepracticaldev/dev.to/issues/7271
# aaronpk aaand here's the diff of their HTML to make this work https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/85e4adc582aeb6add7876b9f5a006e42/revisions
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# [LewisCowles] [Cheuk]++
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Loqi [aaronpk] I took a stab at outlining how this might work. Here's the writeup, including details on the (minimal) markup additions needed to Dev.to comment pages:
https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#receiving_webmentions_for_syndicated_copies
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# [snarfed] heh, jinx, we collided a bit in writing that up. i added https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#.22pure_web.22_backfeed just now
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KartikPrabhu example.dev?
# KartikPrabhu foo.code and bar.code
# KartikPrabhu jk :P
# [LewisCowles] example.com has the desirble property of being reserved for placeholder doesn't it?
# [LewisCowles] question on this dev.to webmention. Does it already offer rel="me" and indieauth? If not, how would the de-duplication be managed?
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# [LewisCowles] answer to one thing is that it does support rel="me"
# [LewisCowles] hmm. is u-author then https://dev.to/lewiscowles1986 or https://www.lewiscowles.co.uk it also has many rel="me" links as-if it's a canonical source
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# [LewisCowles] it does not currently mark the personal website as u-uid
# [LewisCowles] probably a solid choice as the home-page might not be u-uid
# [LewisCowles] multiple authors is a thing
# [LewisCowles] I cannot imagine what it would be for. I understand multiple people being involved in a work, but my understanding of flow is that each section / article would have a single author, perhaps an editor and maybe an editor in chief
# [LewisCowles] citations maybe?
# [LewisCowles] right, it was the comment above that triggered the question though
# [LewisCowles] > tbh this is where having multiple u-author u-url values can work
# [LewisCowles] nobody at fault
# [LewisCowles] I think that is what u-uid is for
# [LewisCowles] I don't know, it's what I guessed at using the wiki when implementing on my own site
# [LewisCowles] I'm nerdy interested in the merging of h-cards. I'd assume newest is last in merge to blat the others, and each can overlay something PATCH, but can equally see a case for treating it as a PUT or whole-document operation
# [LewisCowles] or a NOOP, do nothing, we have a key entry for this uuid
# [LewisCowles] u-uid
# [LewisCowles] damn computing
# [LewisCowles] by merge as a set, one key, potentially many values?
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# [LewisCowles] or one key one value where key is the set value as far as de-dup occurs. Set seems to infer a simple value type, at least in my min
# [LewisCowles] *mind
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# [LewisCowles] yeah it's turning into hay again. apologies
# [LewisCowles] totally
# [LewisCowles] I'd forgotten I ever use dev.to until I saw the link earlier. IDK if I'll add it to my list of "me on the web"
# [LewisCowles] but as it supports rel="me" linking back, I'll consider it
# [LewisCowles] I have some, although, there are some I have and I don't know why.
# [LewisCowles] I think it's for me to remember I have them 😂
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[KevinMarks] Multiple urls is very common in h-card, especially if the email and phone listed are urls too. Multiple authors are common, but less so on personal websites, because they're personal.
# [LewisCowles] So, would that case be reserved for w3c spec documents and the like?
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# [KevinMarks] An Article is much more likely to have multiple authors than a Note, for example
# [LewisCowles] is this treating citations as having authors?
# [LewisCowles] I guess most simply: How would an article have multiple authors?
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# [KevinMarks] Because it is collaboratively written
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[jgmac1106] << has tons of multiple author posts
# [jgmac1106] Multi author sites and multi author posts are a huge part of edu blogging community
# [LewisCowles] could I have a link to one please?
# [jgmac1106] ... And if academic writing moved to personal sites instead of PFF all would be multiple author, yeah one sec
# [jgmac1106] I think jgregorymcverry.com/questiontheweb is one
# [LewisCowles] jgmac1106++
# [jgmac1106] People do a ton of collaborative writing and multi author sites in the education world
# [LewisCowles] So I cannot as a reader know who contributed which parts.
# [jgmac1106] If it is a poorly written document you can. A good multiauthor piece should have one voice
# [LewisCowles] I suppose I'm familiar with the process for a research paper, where it's the sum of efforts, with a role for someone to add one-voice. Thanks for enhancing my awareness.
# [jgmac1106] ... But most begin on gDocs so revision history... How I assess collaborative writing
# [jgmac1106] In that long poem you can tell Lewis.. Added a css selector for each author to play with fonts
# [LewisCowles] I like that
# [LewisCowles] I think this may be OCD though
# [LewisCowles] from my part wanting to see that
# [jgmac1106] Newspapers have shared bylines. They do not dileneate who wrote what
# [LewisCowles] separating all the foods on the plate with solid barriers
# [jgmac1106] Gwg ran into this working on parse this... No mf2 way to handle two authors on a bookmark Hee hee
# [jgmac1106] Read Bakhtin and Kristeva.... And nobody is an original author
# [LewisCowles] well it does throw into question who is the outer context. Who's copy is canonical
# [LewisCowles] RE: outer context. Two people cannot interact without a third space to define the context of their interaction
# [LewisCowles] it actually holds up quite well until you have life-partners
# [jgmac1106] Up to authors to decide where rel canonical goes... Just like first author order
# [jgmac1106] For our last poetry hour radio show I made the author a "group name" rather than list five people
# [jgmac1106] Podcasts are a good example.... They often have two hosts
# [KevinMarks] There are podcast extensions to feeds for contributors as well
# [jgmac1106] Yeah I never know how to mark up guests
# [jgmac1106] Usually stick in a minimal h-card or just fall back on "no consumers so who cares"
# [KevinMarks] If you have a transcript you could mark it up like the chat here
# [jgmac1106] ... While thinking "you care do it right first even if no consumers do not exist so you don't have to fix later"
# [jgmac1106] .... Ohh neat idea
# [KevinMarks] That works for who said what (assuming the transcript gets that right)
# [jgmac1106] May start using Google Meet for remote podcasting for the transcript capture
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beko fup on the Cloudflare issue: Something seems to be really broken with the particular setup. Owner has no idea where this is coming from but telling me that half of the WordPress admin seems to be broken. Moving away from Cloudflare is considered already. Well if anything blocks wp-admin all the time even for the owner I can imagine there is more amiss with this installation.
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# [prtksxna] beko: The wp-admin stuff doesn't load for me at times too, even with the page rules. Hard refreshes usually helps there, but kind of frustrating.
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# [LewisCowles] beko: this is definitely CloudFlare interaction with GutenBerg. I'm fairly certain they need to whitelist the json api and /wp-admin/ to remit
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jamietanna beko FYI you may get alt text on `mp-photo-alt` or `mp-photo-alt[]` depending on whether you send one/multiple images, so worth checking if both are handled
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swentel sknebel, indeed, m.blog supports it, https://indieweb.org/Micropub-brainstorming#Alternative_text_for_photos_in_form-encoded
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# jamietanna Re form encoded params with square brackets, I want to say over the weekend I saw that it's part of the URI spec, but can't find where I saw that - will dig for it after lunch
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Zegnat Prefered way would be this: https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#uploading-a-photo-with-alt-text
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# sknebel it's yet another thing. I personally had enough issues of implementing the full JSON variant of the spec + basic conversion of the formencoded standard format just to find that clients don't want to speak that that I've mostly given up on MP, because adding yet another way of doing the same thing is not particularly interesting for me
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[grantcodes] Yep, I am in the pro json camp too. Also for updates and more complicated functionality it is required. Luckily in node the conversion from form encoded it pretty easy - apart from non standard properties like `mp-photo-alt`
# [grantcodes] Why are there both ways to start with? I'm sure I knew before but forgot. It's theoretically easier to implement?
# [grantcodes] Dunno, I feel like most people who are knowledgeable enough to send a form encoded request to a custom endpoint with tokens can probably send json without too much extra learning.
# [grantcodes] Also is it ever that simple that it can be a html form? It would still need tokens and endpoints.
# [grantcodes] Seems like a nice idea in theory, but I wonder how many implementations are _that_ simple, especially on the client side
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# [LewisCowles] when leaning on what HTTP / HTML has by default, some behaviours are not provided just by using the standards though. Check out how Ruby deals with objects that make more sense in JSON (Zegnat making the point as I type it)
# [LewisCowles] Zegnat was that a python flask example?
# [LewisCowles] it's making my eye twitch
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# [LewisCowles] someone started to make a parser for flask to do it, but their response was "Why would you want that" and "for interop" was not a good enough reason
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# [LewisCowles] PHP RFC's are hilarious, but I love them. Well over 20 years at the mast and they still haven't delved into obscure choices like. What if we made a whole other way of saying if(!something)
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# [LewisCowles] I apologize. I mean. PHP implementations of RFC's (mostly talking about non-core library implementations)
# [LewisCowles] I like having explicit choices
# [LewisCowles] %20 or +, isn't that one?
# [LewisCowles] it matters for some ERP software I've had to deal with.
# [LewisCowles] maybe not indieweb relevant though
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# [prtksxna] beko: Yeah, I recently started using CF
# [prtksxna] Heh, yeah, for sure. But DreamHost is just too slow sometimes and I can’t shell out more money
# superkuh Post on Facebook. It'll be even cheaper.
# superkuh And slightly less objectionable than CF.
# [prtksxna] beko: About the same price, but its a shared host so you can host anything and (mostly) as much as you’d like.
# [prtksxna] But I am considering switching to a different CDN 🤔
# [prtksxna] beko: Thanks, I’ll check it out
# [prtksxna] 🙂
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# cal Has anyone worked with Pipedream (https://pipedream.com/) esp. with regards to connecting to IndieAuth apps? Finally blocking out some time to implement Micropub on ThreadReaderApp, and I am considering using Pipedream as a fun quick way to do it.
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# cal yes! Like a developer friendlier IFTTT or Zapier
# cal right it's a service they run
# cal but workflows are basically free to copy
# cal sort of like Glitch, but for small pipe-like modules
# aaronpk i know [grantcodes] has a node.js IndieAuth library so that might be a quick way to start the auth stuff there https://www.npmjs.com/package/indieauth-helper
# cal cool, will check it out
# [grantcodes] Yeah the indieauth and micropub helpers should be usable in there 🙂
# [grantcodes] Also found this the other day which looks like a slick self hosted workflow tool https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n
# aaronpk sebsel: that advice was from the old implied name mf2 parsing rules that meant every object would be forced to have a "name" property. leaving off the p-name meant more often than not, the "name" property would be full of junk from surrounding elements, hence the guidance to use p-name with e-content
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# Loqi Read later is an indication on (or relating to) a website that one wants to save the URL to come back and read the content at a future time https://indieweb.org/read_later
# [grantcodes] Do micropub bookmarks then support queries by post type
# [grantcodes] Ah photos don't get posted from slack do they? Thought that got updated at some point
# [grantcodes] https://grant.codes/media/2020/04/14/together-bookmarks.jpg - my bookmarks in together. Not exactly optimized but it works
# [grantcodes] No, those are bookmarks on my site
# [grantcodes] Pull into together via micropub queries
# [grantcodes] The idea is super powerful, but need more people to start using it 😛
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# [grantcodes] No reason you couldn't get the extra context with the method I'm using.
# [grantcodes] I really like my website as the source of forever saved content and microsub for reading, not saving.
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