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#[LewisCowles]well GitHub is doing Http 5XX errors (a range of them) to express how upset at my use of npm they are. I think I should take the hint and avoid Node / NPM
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#jamietannaJacky would you be able to share an example of your q=contact? Just want to confirm format is what I expect
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#[tantek]any reader / WebSub developers considered adding a "heartbeat" view or even subscription? could even be a dedicated separate reader
#[tantek]it would show no content other than the datetime of the most recent post by the person, perhaps with a calendar view so you could see who has been active this hour / today / this week etc.
#[tantek]you could subscribe to everyone you want to keep track of just whether they are ok by having posted something recently
#[tantek]without having to be distracted by the actual content
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#[snarfed]interesting! last active status is definitely useful in messaging and other more realtime services
#[snarfed]sure. fertile ground for researching prior art
#[snarfed]i'd be reluctant to connect it to actual health or whether people are "ok," but definitely useful in general!
#[tantek]I'm thinking a dumb simple solution without bothering with research into more realtime/finegrain stuff
#[tantek]it's kind of a different problem / use-case IMO
#[snarfed](also there are definitely open messaging and realtime services! matrix, jabber, etc. we just don't think about them much here since they're not web first)
#[tantek]the, have they posted something today and are ok? rather than, are they online now so I can chat them
#[tantek]haven't seen matrix/jabber etc. display presence very well IMO
#[snarfed]or at minimum, you'd want to base it on how often that person posts normally. and even then, it would fail when they go on vacation or camping or whatever
#KartikPrabhu[snarfed]: yeah, I would be pretty dead from my articles feed :P
#[snarfed]but framed right with enough precautions...maybe. i dunno.
#[tantek]sure, then you could check their home page to determine that
#[snarfed]i see the "online now" or "recently" use case as safer
#[tantek]interesting snarfed. like bunker preppers? or tropical island disconnectors?
#jackyspent two days working on my reply contexts to realize that maybe embedding the whole page's MF2 isn't a good idea lol
#[tantek]lol jacky I feel this is one of the things we discussed in that reply-context brainstorming sprint with [schmarty] on the afternoon of day 2 of Summit last year
#jackyoh? I was just fearful of having broken links tbh
#jackyeh I think it's fair to have it; it's less processing for some people (I have to convert things into jf2 manually on my site which is why I don't even provide it as an explicit feed type)
#Zegnatjacky: I love content negotiation, but it can lead to some … interesting code. I think bridgy (or was it a different service?) hard-coded rhiaro’s site
#[snarfed]tantek: none of my family (sister, parents, partner) really post anything public on the internet at all. a couple maybe once a year or so, if that. afaict only the minority of my friends or coworkers do either. private, eg messaging and email and maybe social, sure! but *public*? no.
#[snarfed]jamietanna: happy to help? mind posting details?
#[tantek]snarfed, sure, the family use-case is handled by direct messaging already. the "heartbeat" reader is not for that, no need to coarsely solve an already more fine-grain solved problem
#[tantek]similarly for close friends, you're already messaging/calling with them
#[snarfed]sure. this was just re, how many people in general post publicly online regularly
#[tantek]this is not for that, sorry that wasn't obvious. no need to solve a solved problem
#[snarfed]honestly i'm not convinced about using posting regularity for this "are you ok?" use case at all, public or otherwise, so i'll backa waay slowly
#[tantek]LOTS. and I'm using "post publicly" very broadly here
#[tantek]it differs for different people, e.g. some do wikipedia edits (which as a per author contributions feed), some do github commits, etc. little bits of public activity, feeds, what we consider things we might otherwise post / want to post on our own sites
#[tantek]it's an indicator, it doesn't solve the full "are you ok?" question, it solves a big part of it in a nice, easy to aggregate, passive way
#[tantek]you can build more from there, e.g. when someone otherwise active goes dark, a UI could highlight that, and then you could take direct action, reaching out, messaging etc. like you would today
#[tantek]and it's less the "regularity" and more the "how recently did they do something that shows they are active" hence why I framed it as a "heartbeat" of sorts though I suppose that does imply regular=good, irregular=bad
#[tantek]snarfed, I think there are community use-cases too, e.g. if it was more clear that we had "lost" someone who was quite active.
#jamietannaThat's odd Zegnat - am I reading that as Known simply rejects requests if you try and perform content negotiation?
#[tantek]it can be an important way to watch out for warning signs for community health, i.e. if we start losing a bunch of folks who used to be excited, it might indicate that there was something that turned them off / drove the away, not enough to raise a fuss about it, just enough to stop bothering.
#[tantek]Here's a thought about Indiewebify.me, in the "results" page for testing your site, it could display various achievements as badges! E.g. many (most?) of these would apply: https://indieweb.org/badge#Discourse
#[tantek]and maybe even have a list of additional "grayed out" badges to "unlock" and how to do so
#[tantek]cc: [jgmac1106] because I know he has opinions about badges
#jackyfor those of y'all with custom media endpoints
#jackydo y'all delete media as you remove its reference from a post on your site?
#jackyI have a test around this but I just considered the case where I might want to use the image elsewhere
#jackyfor now, I won't remove the media asset but I am wondering if I'm creating a situation where I'll have a crap ton of photos lying around
#[snarfed]you know your workflow, but seems unlikely, and disk is cheap
#jamietanna[m]Swentel I'll do some digging and get back to you tomorrow!
#jackyright that's what I'm thinking w.r.t cheap disk [snarfed]
#jackythe thing is, I plan to make it so that I don't rely on my in-built solution for a media endpoint (I'd want to use a fixed folder in nextcloud for it)
#jamietanna[m]Jacky I keep all the files, haven't so far been bothered about space concerns
#sknebeljacky: no connection between the two parts